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You are spot on Sim_SG3

The coordinate geometry is not tested on the Focus but the underlying concepts are, though they are expected to be solved algebraically rather than graphically.
Also while I know Geometry is officially out of the test, I did run into this question on the GMAT Prep: https://gmatclub.com/forum/a-spherical- ... 16425.html.

When GMAC said there was no geometry on the GMAT Focus, I think it was more of a reference that you are not expected to know/remember formulas for various geometrical functions and operations. As you can see the volume formula is given here and this is a word problem but heavily relying on the geometric concepts. I would guess Coordinate Geometry is the same way - you don't need to study it, but it may be used as a background for the question.

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Hi wanted to ask if coordinate geometry is in the portion for the focus edition? - There is a chapter in TTP but its pretty small

Also has anyone seen any coordinate geometry questions in the official practice tests?


Hi! I've yet to take the official practice tests, but I do have the OG and Quantitative Review Guide, and I know coordinate graphs are part of the syllabus to the extent of slopes and intercepts. At least, that's the extent to which we see this topic in the Official Guide.

I don't think the Focus Edition has coordinate geometry in the "geometry" sense, where for example, you find the area of a figure denoted by points in the graph.

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Ah, thank you for elaborating! Looks like being comfortable with concepts in Geometry will still help in the Focus Edition. Even if just mentally.
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This might be a weird question with questionable logic at best. Possibly one that has no place on this sub-forum, but...

If I'm not wrong, a small score increase in Verbal really boosts your score in the Classic GMAT when compared to a similar score jump in Quant. Basically, a +1 in Verbal contributes more to an increase in overall score than a +1 in Quant. I always assumed this was due to fewer people scoring high in Verbal and the sectional percentiles contributing to the overall score.
Pre-Emptive Question: Am I wrong here?

Actual Question: Do you think this would apply to the Focus Edition as well?

I feel like the idea is kind of supplemented by the score-to-percentile mapping predictions folks have been releasing lately, but I could be totally wrong. To top it off, we have a whole new variable with the introduction of Data Insights and we are yet to understand how these three sections work together to make up the overall score.

But this is a question that keeps me up at night and there's no better forum to ask on than here.
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This might be a weird question with questionable logic at best. Possibly one that has no place on this sub-forum, but...

If I'm not wrong, a small score increase in Verbal really boosts your score in the Classic GMAT when compared to a similar score jump in Quant. Basically, a +1 in Verbal contributes more to an increase in overall score than a +1 in Quant. I always assumed this was due to fewer people scoring high in Verbal and the sectional percentiles contributing to the overall score.
Pre-Emptive Question: Am I wrong here?

Actual Question: Do you think this would apply to the Focus Edition as well?

I feel like the idea is kind of supplemented by the score-to-percentile mapping predictions folks have been releasing lately, but I could be totally wrong. To top it off, we have a whole new variable with the introduction of Data Insights and we are yet to understand how these three sections work together to make up the overall score.

But this is a question that keeps me up at night and there's no better forum to ask on than here.
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Hi Sim_SG3,

1. I'm not too sure about this, but you could try analysing some of the scoring grid data out there. Just keep in mind that (a) the data you see may not be 100% accurate and (b) quant and verbal are weighted equally (this is definitely true).

2. GMAC has already stated that all three sections (DI, quant, verbal) are weighted equally.
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Beyond that, it's hard to say just how the scores combine.

3. I think timing in verbal could be a problem for some test takers. The small increase in average time isn't enough to offset the impact of removing SC. We'll see how this plays out, but I'm letting my students know that they should work extra hard on time management.

Again, it's hard to say how this will affect test takers, but I don't think GMAC should have cut the number of breaks.
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I have observed the effect you are referring to on the Classic GMAT. I’m not sure that I can immediately provide a scientific proof of that effect but I believe I’ve noticed that relationship on the number of scores…

For GMAT focus, the situation is Different. There is a very clear relationship between section score and the total score. On the GMAT focus, there’s no discrimination and it’s a very linear relationship. 1 extra point on quant or verbal or data insights section will give you the same exact contribution to the final score. I have ran regressions and it’s a very straightforward formula with great precision.

So with Focus, if you have room to improve in one of the sections and it’s easier to improve than another section, you want to maximize the section you can improve with least effort.

However this logic only goes so far because getting additional points on each section gets progressively harder… if you look at the percentile curves, the expectation is that very few people will be getting very high quantitative scores compared to the current situation… we will see about that of course but if you can push your quant and data insights to the limit, you can sort of slide on the verbal portion of the test. And my expectation is that similar to the gym at classic, business schools will mostly care about the overall score and not so much your split.



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This might be a weird question with questionable logic at best. Possibly one that has no place on this sub-forum, but...

If I'm not wrong, a small score increase in Verbal really boosts your score in the Classic GMAT when compared to a similar score jump in Quant. Basically, a +1 in Verbal contributes more to an increase in overall score than a +1 in Quant. I always assumed this was due to fewer people scoring high in Verbal and the sectional percentiles contributing to the overall score.
Pre-Emptive Question: Am I wrong here?

Actual Question: Do you think this would apply to the Focus Edition as well?

I feel like the idea is kind of supplemented by the score-to-percentile mapping predictions folks have been releasing lately, but I could be totally wrong. To top it off, we have a whole new variable with the introduction of Data Insights and we are yet to understand how these three sections work together to make up the overall score.

But this is a question that keeps me up at night and there's no better forum to ask on than here.
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Hi AjiteshArun,

Thank you so much for your response!

I did hear about GMAC trying to give each section equal importance, but I must have missed the note on these sections actually being weighted equally.

The point about the removal of SC making time on the Verbal section tight is definitely concerning. Especially for those of us who are better at SC than CR and RC. I also agree on the break removal bit, I would have really appreciated the gap between each section to properly disconnect from the previous section and get a sip of water in before heading back to war.

Thank you for sharing your insights, they're very helpful and have given me a lot to think about!

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This might be a weird question with questionable logic at best. Possibly one that has no place on this sub-forum, but...

If I'm not wrong, a small score increase in Verbal really boosts your score in the Classic GMAT when compared to a similar score jump in Quant. Basically, a +1 in Verbal contributes more to an increase in overall score than a +1 in Quant. I always assumed this was due to fewer people scoring high in Verbal and the sectional percentiles contributing to the overall score.
Pre-Emptive Question: Am I wrong here?

Actual Question: Do you think this would apply to the Focus Edition as well?

I feel like the idea is kind of supplemented by the score-to-percentile mapping predictions folks have been releasing lately, but I could be totally wrong. To top it off, we have a whole new variable with the introduction of Data Insights and we are yet to understand how these three sections work together to make up the overall score.

But this is a question that keeps me up at night and there's no better forum to ask on than here.
Hi Sim_SG3,

1. I'm not too sure about this, but you could try analysing some of the scoring grid data out there. Just keep in mind that (a) the data you see may not be 100% accurate and (b) quant and verbal are weighted equally (this is definitely true).

2. GMAC has already stated that all three sections (DI, quant, verbal) are weighted equally.
Quote:
Your GMAT™ Exam - Focus Edition Total Score is based on your performance on all 3 sections of the exam, with each section weighted equally.
Beyond that, it's hard to say just how the scores combine.

3. I think timing in verbal could be a problem for some test takers. The small increase in average time isn't enough to offset the impact of removing SC. We'll see how this plays out, but I'm letting my students know that they should work extra hard on time management.

Again, it's hard to say how this will affect test takers, but I don't think GMAC should have cut the number of breaks.
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Hi bb,

Thank you for putting an end to my misery!

In a way, I think it's better that each section is getting equal weightage. But the fact that scoring in each section gets progressively harder is definitely a sore spot. I'd like to believe being well-rounded across all three sections is the safest way forward. But still happy to hear that schools are likely more interested in overall scores as opposed to sectional ones!

Looking forward to the feedback test takers give after the 7th of the month.

Thanks again for proving I'm not hallucinating the Classic GMAT's differential section weightage and for taking the time to give such a detailed response to my questions!

Best,
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I have observed the effect you are referring to on the Classic GMAT. I’m not sure that I can immediately provide a scientific proof of that effect but I believe I’ve noticed that relationship on the number of scores…

For GMAT focus, the situation is Different. There is a very clear relationship between section score and the total score. On the GMAT focus, there’s no discrimination and it’s a very linear relationship. 1 extra point on quant or verbal or data insights section will give you the same exact contribution to the final score. I have ran regressions and it’s a very straightforward formula with great precision.

So with Focus, if you have room to improve in one of the sections and it’s easier to improve than another section, you want to maximize the section you can improve with least effort.

However this logic only goes so far because getting additional points on each section gets progressively harder… if you look at the percentile curves, the expectation is that very few people will be getting very high quantitative scores compared to the current situation… we will see about that of course but if you can push your quant and data insights to the limit, you can sort of slide on the verbal portion of the test. And my expectation is that similar to the gym at classic, business schools will mostly care about the overall score and not so much your split.



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This might be a weird question with questionable logic at best. Possibly one that has no place on this sub-forum, but...

If I'm not wrong, a small score increase in Verbal really boosts your score in the Classic GMAT when compared to a similar score jump in Quant. Basically, a +1 in Verbal contributes more to an increase in overall score than a +1 in Quant. I always assumed this was due to fewer people scoring high in Verbal and the sectional percentiles contributing to the overall score.
Pre-Emptive Question: Am I wrong here?

Actual Question: Do you think this would apply to the Focus Edition as well?

I feel like the idea is kind of supplemented by the score-to-percentile mapping predictions folks have been releasing lately, but I could be totally wrong. To top it off, we have a whole new variable with the introduction of Data Insights and we are yet to understand how these three sections work together to make up the overall score.

But this is a question that keeps me up at night and there's no better forum to ask on than here.

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I don't believe that when GMAC / ACT created the classic GMAT, the team got together and said "let's make an exam that rewards high Verbal scores more than high Quant scores."

So, why does this appear to be true, even though GMAC has clearly stated that Verbal and Quant performances are weighted equally?

Well, very high GMAT scores in either section have a strong effect on the composite score conversion. And because scores of V45+ (99%) are far more rare than perfect Q51s (97%), these highest Verbal scores are disproportionately rewarded in the composite conversion.

I expect this phenomenon to hold true on the GMAT Focus Edition as well—though the effect will be somewhat blunted by the inclusion of the Data Insights score in the composite conversion.
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I don't believe that when GMAC / ACT created the classic GMAT, the team got together and said "let's make an exam that rewards high Verbal scores more than high Quant scores."

So, why does this appear to be true, even though Verbal and Quant performances are most likely weighted equally? Well, very high GMAT scores in either section have a strong effect on the composite score conversion. And because scores of V45+ (99%) are actually far more rare than perfect Q51s (97%), these highest Verbal scores are disproportionately rewarded in the composite conversion.

Hence, I expect this to be true on the Focus as well—though this effect will be somewhat blunted by the inclusion of the Data Insights score in the composite conversion.
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Makes a lot of sense! I had the same reasoning for this occurrence with the Classic Version's scores but believed GMAC would make scoring on the Verbal section easier or increase the difficulty level of Quant proportionally to mitigate the chances of this affecting the Focus Edition.

I have yet to attempt the mocks so I'm not sure of either theory, but the predictions for percentiles corresponding to the list of possible scores in the Focus Edition still depict it being slightly harder to score in Verbal than in Quant. How that sectional percentile ties into the overall score calculation in the newer version is another variable I'm curious about.

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Hi I just had a small doubt
There are many questions being posted on gmatclub with the source as GMAT prep focus edition
Are these questions from the mocks?
Also if they are, they are being posted by not so famous accounts and some pretty hard questions with 55% or harder being tagged under 600-650? Is this accurate and being checked by the forum moderators?

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Or are the mocks generally tougher in terms of quant! If someone could put my mind at ease!

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DATA INSIGHTS ADAPTIVITY UPDATE: I have just been informed that GMAC has added a "correction" banner on the digital version of the 2023-2024 O.G., which states that the Data Insights section is in fact adaptive, and that the information on page 215 of the print version, which indicates the opposite, is incorrect.

Unfortunately, I lack access to the digital version, so I cannot provide a screenshot of this banner.

If someone else could please provide a screenshot, then that would be much appreciated.

The issue is finally settled at last! And not a day too late, because—as we all know—today is the first day of the GMAT Focus.

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So I'm finally done with my GMAT Focus edition exam. Got a 695 overall with scaled score of 90Q/82V/82DI. Will post a detailed prep strategy with mock scores tomorrow. BTW what's the best place to post strategy?

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Great score, NaveenGJ!

You can share your GMAT Focus Edition debriefs here: https://gmatclub.com/forum/share-gmat-experience-8/
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Congrats! On such a great score. Can you please share your debrief it would be a great help to everyone who are preparing for the New Focus Edition.

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GMAT Focus Edition - Everything You Need to Know 07 Nov 2023, 08:58
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So I'm finally done with my GMAT Focus edition exam. Got a 695 overall with scaled score of 90Q/82V/82DI. Will post a detailed prep strategy with mock scores tomorrow. BTW what's the best place to post strategy?

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Congratulations on the amazing score, NaveenGJ! Thank you in advance for posting your debrief, looking forward to reading it.

All the very best for your applications. Take care.

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GMAT Focus Edition - Everything You Need to Know Updated on: 08 Nov 2023, 04:13
Originally posted by Sim_SG3 on 07 Nov 2023, 11:16.
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Been seeing a couple of users stating the GMAT Focus Edition is adaptive across sections as well. Is this true?

Considering your score also depends on the difficulty level of questions you answer, someone doing exceedingly well in the first two sections would face hell in the third round and be more likely to mess up. It makes no sense to have the harder section count just as much as the two good ones.
Conversely, doing poorly in the first two sections would mean you'd only get low-level questions in the third section and would have virtually no way of saving your score.

The only way out would be to ace absolutely everything or strategically sacrifice questions along the way, both of which seem rather impractical.

Does anyone know if GMAC officially confirmed the adaptive nature of the test would span across sections or is this just a misunderstanding?

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GMAT Focus Edition - Everything You Need to Know 07 Nov 2023, 12:07
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DATA INSIGHTS ADAPTIVITY UPDATE: I have just been informed that GMAC has added a "correction" banner on the digital version of the 2023-2024 O.G., which states that the Data Insights section is in fact adaptive, and that the information on page 215 of the print version, which indicates the opposite, is incorrect.

Unfortunately, I lack access to the digital version, so I cannot provide a screenshot of this banner.

If someone else could please provide a screenshot, then that would be much appreciated.

The issue is finally settled at last! And not a day too late, because—as we all know—today is the first day of the GMAT Focus.

Good luck, everyone!!
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mcelroytutoring Thanks, here's the banner, at https://gmatofficialpractice.mba.com/ac ... n-progress:
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Thank you mcelroytutoring for pointing it out! - you deserve the credit for that banner! 👍
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I appear to have found the first official confirmation from GMAC that there is no geometry on the GMAT Focus.

https://start.mba.com/focus-fact-or-fiction

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