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# Help! Running into a Wall on Week 2

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10 Mar 2017, 12:52
So I haven't touched real math since college and acknowledge I need an intensive boot camp to get back to speed.

Im on week 2, Day Three of the GMAT 3 month plan and running into a wall on the Magoosh Math problems.

On my last session on DS I got a 2/12 on mostly "medium" level questions. Most of these are attributed to lack of knowledge on how to tackle these types of problems as I haven't gotten to the part where the concepts are explained. Currently following the guide the last video I reviewed is "Fraction Properties - II".

I was wondering if there's some way to get back to speed? I finished Manhattan's beginners guide to GMAT math before starting my lessons. I've purchased the entire Manhattan set so I can reference any of the math books. Should I stop taking math questions until I go through the entire Math "Lessons" Magoosh Lessons.

In comparison the DS questions on the OG 2013 Book first set I got 13/16 right.

In contrast, my first set of Magoosh CR questions was 10/13 with two of them being silly mistakes (mostly hard questions). It seems Verbal is my strong suit, and I'm doing pretty well just silently reading the questions and logically thinking through the answers (I am a news junkie).

Finally, the OG I have is the 2013 version. Should I upgrade to the 2017 version (money is not an issue) or is it not worth the hassle? Since I am abroad I would only be able to receive the book after a month in.

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10 Mar 2017, 17:51
startup2017 wrote:
So I haven't touched real math since college and acknowledge I need an intensive boot camp to get back to speed.

Im on week 2, Day Three of the GMAT 3 month plan and running into a wall on the Magoosh Math problems.

On my last session on DS I got a 2/12 on mostly "medium" level questions. Most of these are attributed to lack of knowledge on how to tackle these types of problems as I haven't gotten to the part where the concepts are explained. Currently following the guide the last video I reviewed is "Fraction Properties - II".

I was wondering if there's some way to get back to speed? I finished Manhattan's beginners guide to GMAT math before starting my lessons. I've purchased the entire Manhattan set so I can reference any of the math books. Should I stop taking math questions until I go through the entire Math "Lessons" Magoosh Lessons.

In comparison the DS questions on the OG 2013 Book first set I got 13/16 right.

In contrast, my first set of Magoosh CR questions was 10/13 with two of them being silly mistakes (mostly hard questions). It seems Verbal is my strong suit, and I'm doing pretty well just silently reading the questions and logically thinking through the answers (I am a news junkie).

Finally, the OG I have is the 2013 version. Should I upgrade to the 2017 version (money is not an issue) or is it not worth the hassle? Since I am abroad I would only be able to receive the book after a month in.

Dear startup2017,

My friend, I'm happy to respond.

First of all, I will recommend a couple blogs.
How to Study for GMAT Math
Number Sense for the GMAT
Practicing mental math as much as possible is crucial.

Here's what I am going to say--and this is hard medicine. Keep practicing math: even though you are only 1/10 the way through the Magoosh math lessons, keep doing math questions faithfully. I don't want you to stop because you are making mistakes. Instead, I want you to learn from your mistakes. See:
Studying for the GMAT: Learning from Your Mistakes
Ideally, you would keep an error log for math (keeping an error log is discussed in that blog article). This way, for each and every question you get wrong, you would force yourself to articulate what information you were missing, how you would have approached the problem if you had known that, what you need to remember, etc. You see, when you force yourself to write all this in words, you are creating connections between the "math parts" of your brain and the "words parts," and anything that creates connection between different regions of the brain results in deeper learning. Of course, if you get, say, a statistics question wrong now, and write down the statistics factoid you were missing, you won't have any kind of mastery just from that, but later in the study plan, you will get to the statistics lessons, and that point, you will have enough points of reference that you will be able to assimilate all the information in those videos at a much deeper level. Students tend to overestimate the importance of simply getting the information in front of them, and they wildly underestimate the importance of everything one can do to learn it deeply. There are a ton of good sources out there--I would estimate that 60-70% of the GMAT test takers have access to all the information they would need for a top 5% performance, but of course, only 5% can pull off that level of performance. All the information is those Magoosh lessons, but don't underestimate everything you need to do to make that information your own.

It takes tremendous patience and dedication to do all of this, but since you are starting almost from scratch with math, it really will take this thorough approach to get you to a high level of performance. In a way, it takes a different perspective. When you get only 2/12 DS questions correct, it doesn't mean that you are hopelessly behind or stuck or wrong or worthy of being taken out back & shot; instead, each question you get wrong is an opportunity to learn and reflect, so you have ten such opportunities in that that. It may sound odd, but if you can get to the point of being genuinely grateful for each math question you get wrong, you will be close to getting everything you can out of each mistake.

It's great that you have the MGMAT books--those are fantastic. If you watch the Magoosh lessons, and work through the MGMAT books, you will hear each idea in two different ways, which again promotes deeper understanding. It's great that you are a news junkie: that will serve you exceptionally well on the GMAT Verbal.

As concerns which edition of the GMAT OG to use--for the questions in the book, there's not much difference. The questions in the 2013 OG are perfectly fine, and you would only need a later edition if you exhausted the questions the earlier OG. The one thing that concerns me is access to Integrated Reasoning official practice questions. Your OG should have a code in the back and an http address: check that out. If that doesn't give you access to a bank of 50 IR question, then you may have to get a more recent OG to get access to that website with the official IR practice questions. My friend, do not underestimate the importance of Integrated Reasoning. Especially for someone who got a non-mathy undergrad degree, a strong performance on the IR is a powerful statement. You are precisely the kind of student who has the most to gain from an impressive IR score. BTW, if you get the 2017 OG for the IR website, do the questions in both editions of the OG--there's probably about 50% overlap, and the rest of the questions are different.

Does all this make sense?
Mike
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18 Mar 2017, 15:27
Thank you mike. I decided to take a pause and review the entire Manhattan GMAT Math Books, and then start off where I left off. This will push me back at least 2 weeks, but I feel it is worth it.

I feel the issue is a knowledge gap, as I scored a 35 on ACT Math, so I think its a matter of refreshing the brain. Although again, I am sure its almost like comparing apples to oranges.

I also purchased the 2017 version of the OG along with the QR Review & Math Review. I will make sure to post an update after another couple weeks of studying. Thanks again.
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20 Mar 2017, 09:14
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Hi my friend,

I am by no means a GMAT expert or anything of that sort.

I just want to give you some moral support. I was once where you were and felt that I had no clue of any of the math that they were introducing for the GMAT.

The Manhattan Foundations of Math was a great refresher to re-introduce you back into math. It worked for me to understand the Magoosh videos a bit better.

I hope this helps.

Cheers,
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13 Jul 2017, 21:16
Update on and off studying and took a gmatprep up to 630. What do you suggest to make sure my quant score goes from 41-42 to 45-47 range? I noticed also I got 70%+ right on Verbal (top 25% percentile) and still ended up with 30ish Verbal score, while math is at 50% percentile and still at 40-42, which makes no sense! Seems like 4-5 questions can really boost your verbal score to compensate lack of quant.
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