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If four fair dice are thrown simultaneously, what is the probability of getting at least one pair?

(A) 1/6
(B) 5/18
(C) 1/2
(D) 2/3
(E) 13/18

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One way to solve it is by considering the opposite - That on throwing the dice 4 times, you never get a pair.

In this case, the probability of what happens on the first throw does not matter. But the probability of getting a different number on the second, third and fourth throw are $$\frac{5}{6}, \frac{4}{6} and \frac{3}{6}$$ respectively.

So on multiplying we get $$\frac{6}{6}*\frac{5}{6}*\frac{4}{6}*\frac{3}{6} = \frac{5}{18}$$

On subtracting it from 1, we get $$1-(\frac{5}{18}) = \frac{13}{18}$$

Therefore E. $$\frac{13}{18}$$ is the correct answer

But, I wonder, Why cant we solve by the following approach?

total possible outcomes for dice 6*6*6*6 or $$6^4$$
considering the opposite outcomes or possible pairs =$$6C4=6C2=15$$

Thus, P(at least one pair)=1-$$\frac{15}{6^4}$$
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Mechmeera wrote:
If four fair dice are thrown simultaneously, what is the probability of getting at
least one pair?
$$(A) \frac{1}{6} (B) \frac{5}{18} (C)\frac{1}{2} (D) \frac{2}{3} (E) \frac{13}{18}$$

One way to solve it is by considering the opposite - That on throwing the dice 4 times, you never get a pair.

In this case, the probability of what happens on the first throw does not matter. But the probability of getting a different number on the second, third and fourth throw are $$\frac{5}{6}, \frac{4}{6} and \frac{3}{6}$$ respectively.

So on multiplying we get $$\frac{6}{6}*\frac{5}{6}*\frac{4}{6}*\frac{3}{6} = \frac{5}{18}$$

On subtracting it from 1, we get $$1-(\frac{5}{18}) = \frac{13}{18}$$

Therefore E. $$\frac{13}{18}$$ is the correct answer

But, I wonder, Why cant we solve by the following approach?

total possible outcomes for dice 6*6*6*6 or $$6^4$$
considering the opposite outcomes or possible pairs =$$6C4=6C2=15$$

Thus, P(at least one pair)=1-$$\frac{15}{6^4}$$

Hi Mechmeera,

You must Understand that the method of calculating total Outcomes = $$6^4$$ includes arrangements of those outcomes on 4 dice

But $$6C4=6C2=15$$ does NOT include arrangements of outcomes on 4 dice

Arrangement of 4 different outcomes (calculated by 6C4) on 4 dice can be calculated by = 4*3*2*1 = 4!

so favorable outcomes in this case should be calculated as = $$6C4 * 4!=15 * 24 = 360$$

Probability = Favorable Outcomes / Total Coutcomes

OR Probability = 1- (Unfavorable Outocmes / Total Outcomes

i.e. Probability = $$1- (360/6^4)$$ = $$1- 5/18 = 13/18$$

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Mechmeera wrote:
If four fair dice are thrown simultaneously, what is the probability of getting at
least one pair?
$$(A) \frac{1}{6} (B) \frac{5}{18} (C)\frac{1}{2} (D) \frac{2}{3} (E) \frac{13}{18}$$

One way to solve it is by considering the opposite - That on throwing the dice 4 times, you never get a pair.

In this case, the probability of what happens on the first throw does not matter. But the probability of getting a different number on the second, third and fourth throw are $$\frac{5}{6}, \frac{4}{6} and \frac{3}{6}$$ respectively.

So on multiplying we get $$\frac{6}{6}*\frac{5}{6}*\frac{4}{6}*\frac{3}{6} = \frac{5}{18}$$

On subtracting it from 1, we get $$1-(\frac{5}{18}) = \frac{13}{18}$$

Therefore E. $$\frac{13}{18}$$ is the correct answer

But, I wonder, Why cant we solve by the following approach?

total possible outcomes for dice 6*6*6*6 or $$6^4$$
considering the opposite outcomes or possible pairs =$$6C4=6C2=15$$

Thus, P(at least one pair)=1-$$\frac{15}{6^4}$$

Hi Mechmeera,

You must Understand that the method of calculating total Outcomes = $$6^4$$ includes arrangements of those outcomes on 4 dice

But $$6C4=6C2=15$$ does NOT include arrangements of outcomes on 4 dice

Arrangement of 4 different outcomes (calculated by 6C4) on 4 dice can be calculated by = 4*3*2*1 = 4!

so favorable outcomes in this case should be calculated as = $$6C4 * 4!=15 * 24 = 360$$

Probability = Favorable Outcomes / Total Coutcomes

OR Probability = 1- (Unfavorable Outocmes / Total Outcomes

i.e. Probability = $$1- (360/6^4)$$ = $$1- 5/18 = 13/18$$

I hope it clears your doubt!

Thank you very much for clearing out the confusion GMATinsight
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GMATinsight wrote:
Mechmeera wrote:
If four fair dice are thrown simultaneously, what is the probability of getting at
least one pair?
$$(A) \frac{1}{6} (B) \frac{5}{18} (C)\frac{1}{2} (D) \frac{2}{3} (E) \frac{13}{18}$$

One way to solve it is by considering the opposite - That on throwing the dice 4 times, you never get a pair.

In this case, the probability of what happens on the first throw does not matter. But the probability of getting a different number on the second, third and fourth throw are $$\frac{5}{6}, \frac{4}{6} and \frac{3}{6}$$ respectively.

So on multiplying we get $$\frac{6}{6}*\frac{5}{6}*\frac{4}{6}*\frac{3}{6} = \frac{5}{18}$$

On subtracting it from 1, we get $$1-(\frac{5}{18}) = \frac{13}{18}$$

Therefore E. $$\frac{13}{18}$$ is the correct answer

But, I wonder, Why cant we solve by the following approach?

total possible outcomes for dice 6*6*6*6 or $$6^4$$
considering the opposite outcomes or possible pairs =$$6C4=6C2=15$$

Thus, P(at least one pair)=1-$$\frac{15}{6^4}$$

Hi Mechmeera,

You must Understand that the method of calculating total Outcomes = $$6^4$$ includes arrangements of those outcomes on 4 dice

But $$6C4=6C2=15$$ does NOT include arrangements of outcomes on 4 dice

Arrangement of 4 different outcomes (calculated by 6C4) on 4 dice can be calculated by = 4*3*2*1 = 4!

so favorable outcomes in this case should be calculated as = $$6C4 * 4!=15 * 24 = 360$$

Probability = Favorable Outcomes / Total Coutcomes

OR Probability = 1- (Unfavorable Outocmes / Total Outcomes

i.e. Probability = $$1- (360/6^4)$$ = $$1- 5/18 = 13/18$$

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Hi Mechmeera,

In these types of probability questions, it's often easier to calculate what we DON'T WANT to have happen. We can then subtract that fraction from 1 to get the probability of what we DO want to have happen.

Here, we're going to throw 4 (6-sided) dice. We're asked for the probability of throwing AT LEAST one pair of matching numbers.

Since it's actually easier to calculate how to throw 0 pairs of matching numbers (and then subtract that fraction from 1), I'll approach the question that way...

1st roll = any number = 6/6
2nd roll = not a match to the first = 5/6
3rd roll = not a match to the 1st or 2nd = 4/6
4th roll = not a match to the 1st or 2nd or 3rd = 3/6

(6/6)(5/6)(4/6)(3/6) =
(1)(5/6)(2/3)(1/2) =
10/36

10/36 is the probability of rolling 0 matching numbers, so...

1 - 10/36 = 26/36 = the probability of rolling at least one matching pair of numbers

26/36 = 13/18

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We can then subtract that fraction from 1 to get the probability of what we DO want to have happen. Here, we're going to throw 4 (6-sided) dice. We're asked for the probability of throwing AT LEAST one pair of matching numbers. Since it's actually easier to calculate how to throw 0 pairs of matching numbers (and then subtract that fraction from 1), I'll approach the question that way... 1st roll = any number = 6/6 2nd roll = not a match to the first = 5/6 3rd roll = not a match to the 1st or 2nd = 4/6 4th roll = not a match to the 1st or 2nd or 3rd = 3/6 (6/6)(5/6)(4/6)(3/6) = (1)(5/6)(2/3)(1/2) = 10/36 10/36 is the probability of rolling 0 matching numbers, so... 1 - 10/36 = 26/36 = the probability of rolling at least one matching pair of numbers 26/36 = 13/18 Final Answer: [Reveal] Spoiler: E GMAT assassins aren't born, they're made, Rich Hi Richard, Im still confused on how the 3 iteration yields a probability of (4/6) should it not be (5/6) and the 4th iteration yield another (5/6) Best Regards, Nik Kudos [?]: [0], given: 0 Intern Status: I am not giving up. Not yet. 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Since it's actually easier to calculate how to throw 0 pairs of matching numbers (and then subtract that fraction from 1), I'll approach the question that way... 1st roll = any number = 6/6 2nd roll = not a match to the first = 5/6 3rd roll = not a match to the 1st or 2nd = 4/6 4th roll = not a match to the 1st or 2nd or 3rd = 3/6 (6/6)(5/6)(4/6)(3/6) = (1)(5/6)(2/3)(1/2) = 10/36 10/36 is the probability of rolling 0 matching numbers, so... 1 - 10/36 = 26/36 = the probability of rolling at least one matching pair of numbers 26/36 = 13/18 Final Answer: [Reveal] Spoiler: E GMAT assassins aren't born, they're made, Rich Hi Richard, Im still confused on how the 3 iteration yields a probability of (4/6) should it not be (5/6) and the 4th iteration yield another (5/6) Best Regards, Nik P(at least one pair)=1-P(No pair) so to calculate p(No pair) Dice 1- 6/6----a Dice 2- 5/6 (we got to exclude the number that has come on the face of Dice 1)------b Dice 3- 4/6 (we got to exclude the number that has come on the face of Dice 1 and on Dice 2; Remember, we don't want a pair)-----c Dice 4-3/6 (we got to exclude the number that has come on the face of Dice 1, Dice 2 and Dice 3; Remember, we don't want a pair)----d p(No pair)=(a*b*c*d)=6/6*5/6*4/6*3/6=5/18 P(at least one pair)=1-P(No pair)=>1-(a*b*c*d)=1-5/18=13/18. +1 Kudos is your appreciation. _________________ Cheers PeeKay Kudos [?]: 9 [0], given: 392 EMPOWERgmat Instructor Status: GMAT Assassin/Co-Founder Affiliations: EMPOWERgmat Joined: 19 Dec 2014 Posts: 10712 Kudos [?]: 3779 [0], given: 173 Location: United States (CA) GMAT 1: 800 Q51 V49 GRE 1: 340 Q170 V170 Re: If four fair dice are thrown simultaneously, what is the probability [#permalink] ### Show Tags 12 Nov 2016, 11:04 Hi Nik, When you roll multiple dice, as you roll each die, you have to consider how the result will impact the overall calculation. 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