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In 1973 mortgage payments represented twenty-one percent of an average thirty-year-old male's income; and forty-four percent in 1984

A. income; and forty-four percent in 1984
B. income; in 1984 the figure was forty-four percent
C. income, and in 1984 forty-four percent
D. income, forty-four percent in 1984 was the figure
E. income that rose to forty-four percent in 1984
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In 1973 mortgage payments represented twenty-one percent of an average thirty-year-old male's income; and forty-four percent in 1984

A. income; and forty-four percent in 1984
B. income; in 1984 the figure was forty-four percent
C. income, and in 1984 forty-four percent
D. income, forty-four percent in 1984 was the figure
E. income that rose to forty-four percent in 1984


To establish the clearest comparison between circumstances in 1973 and those in 1984, a separate clause is needed to describe each year. Choices A and C, in failing to use separate clauses, are too elliptical and therefore unclear. Choice A also incorrectly uses and and a semicolon to separate an independent clause and a phrase. Choice D incorrectly separates two independent clauses with a comma; moreover, the placement of in 1984 is awkward and confusing. In choice E, that refers illogically to income, thereby producing the misstatement that income rather than mortgage payments rose to forty-four percent in 1984. Choice B is best; two properly constructed clauses that clearly express the comparison are separated by a semicolon.

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I was between B and C.

I selected C. Actually I was much influenced by following question and I thought concise elliptical construction will work here as well.
according-to-public-health-officials-in-1998-massachusetts-59886.html

Further I rejected option B, because I thought there is no clear antecedent for the term the figure. I thought mortgage payment represented some portion is more symbolic than numeric.

I am not convinced that it is necessary to express these ideas in separate clauses and elliptical construction in C is not acceptable.

Experts could you please help understand me that why B is preferred to C.
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I am not convinced that it is necessary to express these ideas in separate clauses and elliptical construction in C is not acceptable.


there are two reasons
firstly the parallelism is absurd here
secondly the construction "in 1984 forty-four percent" is just plain wrong !! .you cannot have a "hung up construction "forty-four percent" by itself . either u have to have "forty-four percent of "something" OR u have to refer back so some "figure" as is done in option B

also note that "ellipses" does not allow u the kind of construction that u r trying to have in option C .you cannot cherry pick a "construction" and put it as per ur need as u seem to be doing in option C
have a look as how ur ellipses wud look like in option C : In 1973 mortgage payments represented twenty-one percent of an average thirty-year-old male's income, and in 1984 [ mortgage payments represented] forty-four percent [of an average thirty-year-old male's income]

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I am not convinced that it is necessary to express these ideas in separate clauses and elliptical construction in C is not acceptable.


there are two reasons
firstly the parallelism is absurd here
secondly the construction "in 1984 forty-four percent" is just plain wrong !! .you cannot have a "hung up construction "forty-four percent" by itself . either u have to have "forty-four percent of "something" OR u have to refer back so some "figure" as is done in option B

also note that "ellipses" does not allow u the kind of construction that u r trying to have in option C .you cannot cherry pick a "construction" and put it as per ur need as u seem to be doing in option C
have a look as how ur ellipses wud look like in option C : In 1973 mortgage payments represented twenty-one percent of an average thirty-year-old male's income, and in 1984 [ mortgage payments represented] forty-four percent [of an average thirty-year-old male's income]



I agree. C is ending abruptly, not mentioning what is forty four percent .

b it is.
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I was between B and C.

I selected C. Actually I was much influenced by following question and I thought concise elliptical construction will work here as well.
according-to-public-health-officials-in-1998-massachusetts-59886.html

Further I rejected option B, because I thought there is no clear antecedent for the term the figure. I thought mortgage payment represented some portion is more symbolic than numeric.

I am not convinced that it is necessary to express these ideas in separate clauses and elliptical construction in C is not acceptable.

Experts could you please help understand me that why B is preferred to C.


Just a thought, shouldnt it be "this" figure was 44% in 1984

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I was between B and C.

I selected C. Actually I was much influenced by following question and I thought concise elliptical construction will work here as well.
according-to-public-health-officials-in-1998-massachusetts-59886.html

Further I rejected option B, because I thought there is no clear antecedent for the term the figure. I thought mortgage payment represented some portion is more symbolic than numeric.

I am not convinced that it is necessary to express these ideas in separate clauses and elliptical construction in C is not acceptable.

Experts could you please help understand me that why B is preferred to C.


Can we not reject the option C here only because it has ", and" . A comma and word "and" do not usually go hand in hand. Am I right in my thinking?
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In 1973 mortgage payments represented twenty-one percent of an average thirty-year-old male’s income; and forty-four percent in 1984.

(B) income; in 1984 the figure was forty-four percent
(C) income, and in 1984 forty-four percent

I have opted for B.
Ron explanation:-
"And" doesn't provide the stark contrast we want to emphasise.

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In 1973 mortgage payments represented twenty-one percent of an average thirty-year-old male's income; and forty-four percent in 1984

A. income; and forty-four percent in 1984
B. income; in 1984 the figure was forty-four percent
C. income, and in 1984 forty-four percent
D. income, forty-four percent in 1984 was the figure
E. income that rose to forty-four percent in 1984


very hard.
why C is wrong?
C make parallelism error. consider:
the pay presented 31 percent in 1973 and 44 percent in 1984
this is correct because two ideas are in paralel form. but in choice C, two ideas are not in paralell form
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I do not understand why B is correct at all!

There is a rule that states a semi coln is only used when there are two independent clauses together.

Question: In 1973 mortgage payments represented twenty-one percent of an average thirty-year-old male's income; and forty-four percent in 1984.

If we delete everything before the semi colon, to result in only... and forty-four percent in 1984.
The second clause of the sentance has absolutely no meaning whatsoever.

We could be talking about anything from the change in number of harvested oranges to the change in number of teeth pulled out by a dentist.

Can somebody please expain why I am wrong, regarding my semi-colon rule.

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I do not understand why B is correct at all!

There is a rule that states a semi coln is only used when there are two independent clauses together.

Question: In 1973 mortgage payments represented twenty-one percent of an average thirty-year-old male's income; and forty-four percent in 1984.

If we delete everything before the semi colon, to result in only... and forty-four percent in 1984.
The second clause of the sentance has absolutely no meaning whatsoever.

We could be talking about anything from the change in number of harvested oranges to the change in number of teeth pulled out by a dentist.

Can somebody please expain why I am wrong, regarding my semi-colon rule.

Thanks in advance


Yes, in choice A, if we delete everything befor the semi colon, the remaining is meaningless. That's why the choice A is incorrect.

In choice B, the full sentence is:
In 1973 mortgage payments represented twenty-one percent of an average thirty-year-old male's income; in 1984 the figure was forty-four percent

The second part is: In 1984 the figure was forty-four percent.

"The figure" here clearly refers to the representative of mortgage payments in an average thirty-year-old male's income. Hence, this part is full meaning.
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In 1973 mortgage payments represented twenty-one percent of an average thirty-year-old male's income; and forty-four percent in 1984.

In 1973………….
Mortgage payments represented twenty-one percent of an average thirty year-old male’s income;
And forty- four percent in 1984.

Two time scenarios (1973 and 1984)
Subject is mortgage payments.

1) A semi-colon is used to connect two independent clauses.
2) Comma+ FANBOYS is used to connect two independent clauses
• Here semi-colon+ FANBOYS is used to connect independent clause to a phrase
• ‘and forty-four percent in 1984’- it is not even a clause as it has no subject and no verb.

A. income; and forty-four percent in 1984 (OUT)
B. income; in 1984 the figure was forty-four percent (CORRECT as mentioned in the reasoning above)
C. income, and in 1984 forty-four percent (COMMA+ AND CONSTRUCTION IS NOT CORRECT HERE)
D. income, forty-four percent in 1984 was the figure (TOO WORDY AND IS NOT CONNECTED PROPERLY)
E. income that rose to forty-four percent in 1984 (THAT refers to income of thirty year old male which is non-sensical as it did not increase.)
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I am not convinced that it is necessary to express these ideas in separate clauses and elliptical construction in C is not acceptable.


there are two reasons
firstly the parallelism is absurd here
secondly the construction "in 1984 forty-four percent" is just plain wrong !! .you cannot have a "hung up construction "forty-four percent" by itself . either u have to have "forty-four percent of "something" OR u have to refer back so some "figure" as is done in option B

also note that "ellipses" does not allow u the kind of construction that u r trying to have in option C .you cannot cherry pick a "construction" and put it as per ur need as u seem to be doing in option C
have a look as how ur ellipses wud look like in option C : In 1973 mortgage payments represented twenty-one percent of an average thirty-year-old male's income, and in 1984 [ mortgage payments represented] forty-four percent [of an average thirty-year-old male's income]







I agree. C is ending abruptly, not mentioning what is forty four percent .

b it is.


can I say that the ellipsis must be one phrase and can not be two phrases at two places.?

pls , explain more on this point. thanks.

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I am not convinced that it is necessary to express these ideas in separate clauses and elliptical construction in C is not acceptable.


there are two reasons
firstly the parallelism is absurd here
secondly the construction "in 1984 forty-four percent" is just plain wrong !! .you cannot have a "hung up construction "forty-four percent" by itself . either u have to have "forty-four percent of "something" OR u have to refer back so some "figure" as is done in option B

also note that "ellipses" does not allow u the kind of construction that u r trying to have in option C .you cannot cherry pick a "construction" and put it as per ur need as u seem to be doing in option C
have a look as how ur ellipses wud look like in option C : In 1973 mortgage payments represented twenty-one percent of an average thirty-year-old male's income, and in 1984 [ mortgage payments represented] forty-four percent [of an average thirty-year-old male's income]



in the ellipsis pattern, the cut off part must be one phrase, not two phrases at two places.
consider
I learn English in 2000 and (I learn) French in 2002
I learn English well in 2000 year and (I learn) French (well) in 2002 year

the first sentence is correct, the second sentence is incorrect.

is my thinking correct?

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In 1973 mortgage payments represented twenty-one percent of an average thirty-year-old male's income; and forty-four percent in 1984

A. income; and forty-four percent in 1984
B. income; in 1984 the figure was forty-four percent
C. income, and in 1984 forty-four percent
D. income, forty-four percent in 1984 was the figure
E. income that rose to forty-four percent in 1984



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Is there any grammatical error in C? If not, would you be kind enough to explain why B is preferred?

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In 1973 mortgage payments represented twenty-one percent of an average thirty-year-old male's income; and forty-four percent in 1984

A. income; and forty-four percent in 1984
B. income; in 1984 the figure was forty-four percent
C. income, and in 1984 forty-four percent
D. income, forty-four percent in 1984 was the figure
E. income that rose to forty-four percent in 1984


The answer is B
A the use of semicolon is to join two independent sentences here what follows semicolon is a fragment .
B Correct it is an independent sentence
C gain wrong wrong parallelism
D run on it is written rather awkwardly
E now this choice might seem perfectly correct grammatically but there is a meaning error .It was not the income that rose but mortgage payments.
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why c is wrong
it takes me a few hours to think.
i have one idea.

in eliptical pattern, the cut off part must be one phrase. it can not be two phrases at two places. consider

I learn english and french.
the cut off part is one phrase, "i learn french'

i learn english with my friend in 2000 and she French her friend 2001
the cut off part is " learn...with...in"
this is impossible. the cut off part is 3 phrases in 3 places.

our problem in c is similar

do you think so?

did i invent something from gmat questions.?

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