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In the figure shown, quadrilateral ABCD is inscribed in a circle of radius 5. What is the perimeter of quadrilateral ABCD?

(1) The length of AB is 6 and the length of CD is 8.
(2) AC is a diameter of the circle.

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Given: Radius = 5
Perimeter of ABCD = AB + BC + CD + AD = ?

St1: The length of AB is 6 and the length of CD is 8. --> AB = 6 and CD = 8
Not Sufficient as value of BC and AD is not known.

St2: AC = diameter = 10 --> ABC and ADC are right angled triangles. Values of the sides of the quadrilateral cannot be derived.
Insufficient

Combining St1 and St2: AB = 6, CD = 8, ABC and ADC are right angled triangles
In ABC, AC = 10, AB = 6 --> BC = sqrt(10^2 - 6^2) = 8
In ADC, AC = 10, CD = 8 --> AD = sqrt(10^2 - 8^2) = 6
Perimeter = AB + BC + CD + AD = 28
Sufficient

Answer: C
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we need 2 imp info-

1)ac is diamter
2)ac is perpendicular to BD

combining both we don't know AC is perpndclr to BD

SO C

we can find the lengths from pythagorus theorem.

Originally posted by hsbinfy on 03 Jul 2016, 22:29.
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Given: Radius = 5
Perimeter of ABCD = AB + BC + CD + AD = ?

St1: The length of AB is 6 and the length of CD is 8. --> AB = 6 and CD = 8
Not Sufficient as value of BC and AD is not known.

St2: AC = diameter --> We can infer that AC bisects line segment BD
Let O be the point of intersection of AC and BD.
Triangles AOD and AOB are congruent --> Therefore AB = AD
Triangles COB and COD are congruent --> Therefore BC = CD

AC = 10
Not Sufficient to determine the perimeter

Combining St1 and St2: Perimeter = AB + BC + CD + AD = 2(AB + CD) = 2(6 + 8) = 28
Sufficient

Answer: C


St2: AC = diameter --> We can infer that AC bisects line segment BD

how can you infer above statement until it is given AC is perpendicular to BD?

it will only bisect if AC is perpendicular to BD OR AC and BD intersect at centre of circle
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Vyshak wrote:
Given: Radius = 5
Perimeter of ABCD = AB + BC + CD + AD = ?

St1: The length of AB is 6 and the length of CD is 8. --> AB = 6 and CD = 8
Not Sufficient as value of BC and AD is not known.

St2: AC = diameter --> We can infer that AC bisects line segment BD
Let O be the point of intersection of AC and BD.
Triangles AOD and AOB are congruent --> Therefore AB = AD
Triangles COB and COD are congruent --> Therefore BC = CD

AC = 10
Not Sufficient to determine the perimeter

Combining St1 and St2: Perimeter = AB + BC + CD + AD = 2(AB + CD) = 2(6 + 8) = 28
Sufficient

Answer: C


St2: AC = diameter --> We can infer that AC bisects line segment BD

how can you infer above statement until it is given AC is perpendicular to BD?

it will only bisect if AC is perpendicular to BD OR AC and BD intersect at centre of circle


Yes we cannot infer from Statement 2 that the two triangles are congruent. Thanks for spotting it.

But the answer is still C.

Since AC is the diameter, ABC and ADC are right angled.

In ABC, AC = 10, AB = 6 --> BC = sqrt(10^2 - 6^2) = 8
In ADC, AC = 10, CD = 8 --> AD = sqrt(10^2 - 8^2) = 6

Perimeter of the triangle = 6 + 8 + 6 + 8 = 28.
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Given: Radius of Circle = 5
Perimeter of ABCD AB + BC + CD + AD = ?

Statement 1: The length of AB is 6 and the length of CD is 8. --> AB = 6 and CD = 8
Not Sufficient, since the value of BC and AD is not known.

Statement 2: AC = diameter = 10 --> ABC and ADC are right angled triangles. Values of the sides of the quadrilateral cannot be derived.
Insufficient

Combining St1 and St2: AB = 6, CD = 8, ABC and ADC are right angled triangles
Perimeter can be derived.

Sample Calculation:
ABC right angle triangle, AC =10, AB = 6 \(BC^2 = AC^2 - AB^2\)
BC = 8

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In the figure shown, quadrilateral ABCD is inscribed in a circle of radius 5. What is the perimeter of quadrilateral ABCD?

(1) The length of AB is 6 and the length of CD is 8......>no information about the lengths of other two sides(information required because we don't know which specific quadrilateral is quadrilateral ABCD above),Insufficient

(2) AC is a diameter of the circle.........>So now we know AC=10 and its opposite angle \(\angle\)ABC=\(90^{\circ}\)(for \(\triangle\) ABC) and \(\angle\)ADC=\(90^{\circ}\)(for \(\triangle\) ADC),But still we don know the lengths of any sides of the Quadrilateral ABCD,Insufficient

(1)+(2) AB=6,AC=10 and \(\angle\)ABC=\(90^{\circ}\) so According to pythagorean triple BC=\(\sqrt{AC^2+AB^2}\)=\(\sqrt{10^2-6^2}\)=8

Accordingly we can find AD=6

So,perimeter of quadrilateral ABCD=AB+BC+CD+AD=6+8+8+6=28,Sufficient

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each alone is not sufficient.
1+2 => we have 2 right triangles (properties of inscribed triangles in a circle, where the hypotenuse is the diameter).
we know 2 sides, we can find 3rd side for each triangle.
in the end, we can find the perimeter.
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Hi,

A quadrilateral inside a cirlce is called a cyclic quadrilateral.

And one of the properties of a cyclic quadrilateral is AB + CD = AD + BC (based on given fig.)

So shouldn't A be the answer choice?

Can someone explain pl.

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Hi,

A quadrilateral inside a cirlce is called a cyclic quadrilateral.

And one of the properties of a cyclic quadrilateral is AB + CD = AD + BC (based on given fig.)

So shouldn't A be the answer choice?

Can someone explain pl.

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(1) is very easily insuff but...

If we know that AC is the diameter of the circle and thus = 10, why wouldn't we say suff for (2) just off of the Pythagorean triplet 6-8-10?

That would tell me that AB/AD = 6 and BC/DC = 8.

6+6+8+8 = 28
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(1) is very easily insuff but...

If we know that AC is the diameter of the circle and thus = 10, why wouldn't we say suff for (2) just off of the Pythagorean triplet 6-8-10?

That would tell me that AB/AD = 6 and BC/DC = 8.

6+6+8+8 = 28


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Based on statement 2, yes we know that both ABC and ADC are right angle triangles with hypotenuse AC=10. But we cannot just assume that a right angle triangle with hypotenuse 10 will only be a 6-8-10 triangle. It could also be 5√2-5√2-10 triangle OR it could be 2√5-4√5-10 triangle.

Only if we are given that its a right angle triangle with hypotenuse 10 and one side 6 (or 8), then we can conclude that the third side would be 8 (or 6). Or if we are given that all sides are integers and hypotenuse is 10, can we conclude that the other two sides (legs) would be 6/8.
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So, the take-away-property would be the Thales-Theorem...?
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Vyshak wrote:
Given: Radius = 5
Perimeter of ABCD = AB + BC + CD + AD = ?

St1: The length of AB is 6 and the length of CD is 8. --> AB = 6 and CD = 8
Not Sufficient as value of BC and AD is not known.

St2: AC = diameter = 10 --> ABC and ADC are right angled triangles. Values of the sides of the quadrilateral cannot be derived.
Insufficient

Combining St1 and St2: AB = 6, CD = 8, ABC and ADC are right angled triangles
In ABC, AC = 10, AB = 6 --> BC = sqrt(10^2 - 6^2) = 8
In ADC, AC = 10, CD = 8 --> AD = sqrt(10^2 - 8^2) = 6
Perimeter = AB + BC + CD + AD = 28
Sufficient

Answer: C


Hello, Vyshak
thanks so much for this wholesome explanation but I don't still understand why you assumed BC=CD, is this a specific property or just because they look the same in the figure? Thanks.

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In the figure shown, quadrilateral ABCD is inscribed in a circle of radius 5. What is the perimeter of quadrilateral ABCD?

(1) The length of AB is 6 and the length of CD is 8.
(2) AC is a diameter of the circle.

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I don't understand how we can take triangle ABC and ACD as a right angle triangle after the (1) and (2) statement. Please help..

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Hello,

Wondering we need 2 at all?
Doesn't inscribed mean that the points touch the ends of the circle? Which means its the diameter anyway??
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Wondering we need 2 at all?
Doesn't inscribed mean that the points touch the ends of the circle? Which means its the diameter anyway??



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Yes, inscribed means that all the points touch the ends of the circle. But that doesnt necessarily mean that AC is diameter only.
AC and BD are the diagonals of this quadrilateral, but its quite possible that none of those two diagonals pass through the center of the circle.

Thats why second statement is needed.
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Aahhhhhhh, makes sense. Didn't think of that :/
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