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I downloaded GMATPrep 2.5 from gmat's website and without studying and not knowing the test format & structure I got the scores of:

40 Q
38 V
7 IR

Total: 640

Test #2 (Update ~3 weeks of studying)

45 Q
39 V

Total: 690

My question is how accurate is GMATPrep? And how much can I realistically improve my score in 3 months? Can I improve a lot on my relatively poor quant score? Background: I am working full time and I am going to schedule my first try at the test in November and would appreciate any insight. I am aiming for 720-730, can I realistically see an improvement this large?

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Hi all,

I downloaded GMATPrep 2.5 from gmat's website and without studying and not knowing the test format & structure I got the scores of:

40 Q
38 V
7 IR

Total: 640

My question is how accurate is GMATPrep? And how much can I realistically improve my score in 3 months? Can I improve a lot on my relatively poor quant score? Background: I am working full time and I am going to schedule my first try at the test in November and would appreciate any insight. I am aiming for 720-730, can I realistically see an improvement this large?

Also, I just viewed the diagnostics and I got 4/5 of the first five questions that I took on quant section wrong. It could have been me getting acclimated to the test, or did the rest of the quant section just get easier as a result? So my question is, does the GMATPrep practice test factor in the algorithm?




First of all, CONGRATS. You are actually in a very good spot. You scored 640 without any preparation.
That is a decent score, to be honest. You can actually make a steady improvement if you chalk out a study plan and follow it religiously.

3-months is a sufficient time to work on your mistakes and improve the areas where you find difficulty.

You can definitely reach 720-730, if you work for it.

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I am going to take the real test on the 26th of august 2017. I took a GMAtprep test and scored 680. (Q47,V36). On veritas and manhattanprep tests, my scores have been ranging from 660- 690. What all do i to break the 700 barrier? How should i plan my studies for the 15 days?

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Hi ruotian,

To start, a 640 is a great score for your initial CAT (the average score on the Official GMAT hovers around 540-550 most years), so you're clearly a strong logical thinker and I think that you would have a good chance at hitting your score goal in the timeframe that you've described.

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To start, a 640 is a great score for your initial CAT (the average score on the Official GMAT hovers around 540-550 most years), so you're clearly a strong logical thinker and I think that you would have a good chance at hitting your score goal in the timeframe that you've described.

1) What study materials have you purchased so far?
2) Going forward, how many hours do you think you can consistently study each week?
3) When are you planning to apply to Business School?
4) What Schools are you planning to apply to?

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1. I purchased a magoosh subscription and ordered the manhattan strategy set, planning on also getting the official GMAT study guides
2. I think I can consistently devote 25-30 hours of studying per week
3. I'm planning on applying in January
4. I'm planning on applying to Berkeley, UCLA, Georgetown, Emory, LBS, and Duke

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Hi ruotian,

Since you have some study materials, I suggest that you study as you see fit for the next 2 weeks, then take a new FULL-LENGTH CAT and make sure to take it in a realistic fashion (take the FULL CAT - with the Essay and IR sections, take it away from your home, at the same time of day as when you'll take the Official GMAT, etc.). Once you have that score, you should report back here and we discuss how you might adjust your studies.

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ruotian wrote:
Hi all,

I downloaded GMATPrep 2.5 from gmat's website and without studying and not knowing the test format & structure I got the scores of:

40 Q
38 V
7 IR

Total: 640

My question is how accurate is GMATPrep? And how much can I realistically improve my score in 3 months? Can I improve a lot on my relatively poor quant score? Background: I am working full time and I am going to schedule my first try at the test in November and would appreciate any insight. I am aiming for 720-730, can I realistically see an improvement this large?

Also, I just viewed the diagnostics and I got 4/5 of the first five questions that I took on quant section wrong. It could have been me getting acclimated to the test, or did the rest of the quant section just get easier as a result? So my question is, does the GMATPrep practice test factor in the algorithm?
GMATPrep is very accurate, and that is an excellent score to get at the beginning of your prep (it would make for a pretty good final score as well). Given that you are not very likely to be familiar with GMAT "patterns" at this stage, I would expect both your quant and verbal scores to go up quite a bit (maybe quant more than verbal, as you have more room to improve there).
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Hi all,

I downloaded GMATPrep 2.5 from gmat's website and without studying and not knowing the test format & structure I got the scores of:

40 Q
38 V
7 IR

Total: 640

My question is how accurate is GMATPrep? And how much can I realistically improve my score in 3 months? Can I improve a lot on my relatively poor quant score? Background: I am working full time and I am going to schedule my first try at the test in November and would appreciate any insight. I am aiming for 720-730, can I realistically see an improvement this large?

Also, I just viewed the diagnostics and I got 4/5 of the first five questions that I took on quant section wrong. It could have been me getting acclimated to the test, or did the rest of the quant section just get easier as a result? So my question is, does the GMATPrep practice test factor in the algorithm?


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Hi all,

I downloaded GMATPrep 2.5 from gmat's website and without studying and not knowing the test format & structure I got the scores of:

40 Q
38 V
7 IR

Total: 640

My question is how accurate is GMATPrep? And how much can I realistically improve my score in 3 months? Can I improve a lot on my relatively poor quant score? Background: I am working full time and I am going to schedule my first try at the test in November and would appreciate any insight. I am aiming for 720-730, can I realistically see an improvement this large?

Also, I just viewed the diagnostics and I got 4/5 of the first five questions that I took on quant section wrong. It could have been me getting acclimated to the test, or did the rest of the quant section just get easier as a result? So my question is, does the GMATPrep practice test factor in the algorithm?


Hi ruotian,

GMATPREP tests are the most accurate indicators of your real GMAT performance. You can definitely rely on the GMATPREP score and consider 640 as your base score. You should dedicate around 2 months to improve your score. It’s a good thing you have taken your GMAT PREP once. You now know your weaknesses and can work on them. If you are willing to study dedicatedly for two months, you are sure to achieve your goal. I believe you may benefit from taking a GMATPREP course. If you are willing, there are some great GMAT prep companies that can help you with your preparation.

In order to make an informed decision I would highly encourage you to go to their websites and try on their free trial and decide for yourself which one do you like better. You try out free access to EmpowerGMAT, Magoosh and Optimus Prep as they have great reviews on GMATCLUB.

Also for verbal, I would highly encourage you to consider e-gmat verbal online or the e-gmat verbal live course. They are both amazing courses especially designed for non-natives. They offer almost 25% of their courses for free so you can try out their free trial to decide which one you want to go for. Plus the e-gmat Scholaranium which is included in both the courses is one of the best verbal practice tools in the market. You can easily track your progress in that you can identify your strengths and analyze and improve on your weak areas.

You can also try out the MGMAT guides they are phenomenal and cover the entire syllabus really well.I must add that if you are particularly looking to discover and improve on your weak areas in Quant; a subscription to GMATCLUB tests is the best way to do that. They are indeed phenomenal and will not only pinpoint your weak areas but also help you improve on them.

Further taking multiple mocks might help. Apart from the GMATPREP, Manhattan GMAT tests and Veritas Prep Tests in my experience have good verbal and Quant section and will certainly help you point out and improve your weak areas.

Further another advantage of taking many mocks is to build up your stamina. Apart from the GMATPREP tests, taking practise tests of any major GMATPREP company ought to do that.

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Hi all,

I just took my second practice test yesterday after ~3 weeks of studying 1-2 hours each weekday and ~6 hours on the weekends. (I'm definitely going to be putting more hours each week from now on).

Ended up with a 690 (640 to 690) in three weeks' study time on the second GMATPrep test.

Q: 40 to 45
V: 38 to 39

In these three weeks, I went through the Manhattan Prep strategy books, but only for Quant sections and SC. I also went through the official quant guide of the GMAT (up to ~100 questions so far).

Specifically, my quant score is still lower than I want it to be. I have been looking at Math Revolution as a possible review source, would any of you guys recommend?

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Hi ruotian,

After taking each CAT, it's important to review the CAT in full (with the goal of trying to define WHY you got questions wrong). With that information, you can then determine what you should focus on going forward.

After reviewing each section of this CAT, how many questions did you get wrong....
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2) Because there was some math/verbal that you just could not remember how to do?
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4) Because you were low on time and had to guess?

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I got either a 640 or 670 (can't remember exactly which) and bumped it up to a 770 with 75 hours of study. Your ceiling is an 800, but you'll have to put in the (deliberate, careful) hours to get there.

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I got either a 640 or 670 (can't remember exactly which) and bumped it up to a 770 with 75 hours of study. Your ceiling is an 800, but you'll have to put in the (deliberate, careful) hours to get there.


Congrats to Haardvark! That is a fantastic gain with relatively little studying. However, I want everyone out there to realize that this is abnormal growth. Haardvark is the guy in the weight loss commercials who lost 60 pounds in 3 weeks. Don't think your results will be the same.

I don't think it's that abnormal -- I put in those hours over ~6 weeks, and was super-focused (actively engaged in the problems / content, rather than just reading or mindlessly doing practice problems) and made sure that I didn't over-saturate my brain on any given day. The thing that sets me apart from most, I believe, is that I was on summer vacation and had little else on my mind, so my mind was more absorptive than people who are learning in conjunction with employment or other studies.

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Haardvark. When I read your last post I felt like I was reading a critical reading prompt that was about to ask me to find the flaw. You're a silly person, let's review:

You said you went from 640 or 670 to 770 in 75 study hours.
I said, great work, but other's should know that's abnormal.
You responded with a very interesting post. First, you said, "I don't think it's abnormal."
Then you went on to explain how you achieved abnormal success.
You said you studied in a super active manner.
You said you didn't oversaturate your brain.
You said, that summer vacation really helped you have nothing else on your mind.

The silliest thing about your entire post is that you said, "I don't think it's abnormal." and "The thing that sets me apart from most, I believe, is..."

Let me break this down for you Haardvark.
If your success is predicated on advantages which are set apart from most, it is abnormal success. A wordoligist might even claim that "set apart" and "abnormal" are synonyms.

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The thrust of my post was "it's not abnormal, given the approach I took," which is a sound, logical point to make -- the key implication being that I, on a mental and physiological level, am not special, which was an appropriate response to your corporeal simile:

grahamtandrew wrote:
Haardvark is the guy in the weight loss commercials who lost 60 pounds in 3 weeks. Don't think your results will be the same.


Perhaps you should work on your inferences, instead of pounding out lengthy, snide (& poorly reasoned!) posts on a standardized testing forum.

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grahamtandrew wrote:

Haardvark. When I read your last post I felt like I was reading a critical reading prompt that was about to ask me to find the flaw. You're a silly person, let's review:

You said you went from 640 or 670 to 770 in 75 study hours.
I said, great work, but other's should know that's abnormal.
You responded with a very interesting post. First, you said, "I don't think it's abnormal."
Then you went on to explain how you achieved abnormal success.
You said you studied in a super active manner.
You said you didn't oversaturate your brain.
You said, that summer vacation really helped you have nothing else on your mind.

The silliest thing about your entire post is that you said, "I don't think it's abnormal." and "The thing that sets me apart from most, I believe, is..."

Let me break this down for you Haardvark.
If your success is predicated on advantages which are set apart from most, it is abnormal success. A wordoligist might even claim that "set apart" and "abnormal" are synonyms.

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The thrust of my post was "it's not abnormal, given the approach I took," which is a sound, logical point to make -- the key implication being that I, on a mental and physiological level, am not special, which was an appropriate response to your corporeal simile:

grahamtandrew wrote:
Haardvark is the guy in the weight loss commercials who lost 60 pounds in 3 weeks. Don't think your results will be the same.


Perhaps you should work on your inferences, instead of pounding out lengthy, snide (& poorly reasoned!) posts on a standardized testing forum.


My man haardvark. You gave some terrible advice suggesting that your results were regular. Advice that could demoralize someone who experienced slower results. I corrected you. You got defensive and denied that it was abnormal results. I don't deny your incredible brilliance to learn so much so fast, but the fact is it's abnormal. Simple as that. Maybe considering your great studying skills and summer break you made it happen. And maybe somebody else with summer break and superior study skills can make it happen. However, I don't want everyone thinking its the norm---because that is a lie.


Again, I wasn't addressing (or denying) the abnormality of the results or the approach I was able to take, but the abnormality of me, which was the crux of your first response.

You took your swing and missed -- quit while you're only a little behind.

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Congrats to Haardvark! That is a fantastic gain with relatively little studying. However, I want everyone out there to realize that this is abnormal growth. Haardvark is the guy in the weight loss commercials who lost 60 pounds in 3 weeks. Don't think your results will be the same.
You said:
“I don't think it's that abnormal -- I put in those hours over ~6 weeks, and was super-focused…”
A whole bunch of stuff was said in between.
You said:
I wasn't addressing (or denying) the abnormality of the results or the approach I was able to take, but the abnormality of me.

Hahahahahahaha
When you said, “I don’t think it’s that abnormal” the word it was referring to you? You describe yourself as it?
Haaaaaaardvark, either you lied when you said you weren’t addressing the abnormality of your results, or you describe yourself as it. I want to say, Vaaaarkhard, I consider you a friend. I think that you are beautiful in your own way, and I don’t want to hear you refer to yourself as it anymore. Gain some confidence. You are beautiful.

Let my dumb it down one more time for you:

It == my result, given my prep (crucial, the control variable, in statistical terms). This is not what I am ultimately addressing in my first post, however.
Implication == There is nothing abnormal about me, the corporeal being and original point of contention, that allowed me to obtain "it," which directly counters your 'weight loss' simile (which you still have failed to address -- a weight loss ad prescribes the same program to all, different results are due to differing physiologies). The second level takeaway is that this sort of gain is teneable and "normal" to the average test taker if he makes a similarly extraordinary efforts.

Another way of putting it would have been: "the results were not altogether unexpected/abnormal, as I had a host of advantages to aid my jump that, for many, would yield similar results

Best of luck on your quest to improve your SC/RC score -- you'll need it.

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