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Not trusting themselves to choose wisely among the wide array of investment opportunities on the market, stockbrokers are helping many people who turn to them to buy stocks that could be easily bought directly.

(A) stockbrokers are helping many people who turn to them to buy stocks that could be easily

(B) stockbrokers are helping many people who are turning to them for help in buying stocks that they could easily have

(C) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help from them to buy stocks that could be easily

(D) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help to buy stocks that easily could have been

(E) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help in buying stocks that could easily be
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Hi Cadaver,

No, you wouldn't want to rewrite E in that way. E is using "easily" to modify "be bought directly." The meaning is that it is easy for people to buy directly. If we move "easily," it is now just modifying "bought." This would mean that what we can do directly is specifically to "easily buy" stocks. It oddly/awkwardly implies that "easy buying" can be direct, but "non-easy buying" cannot. Basically, it violates the order in which we should sensibly apply modifiers. Consider this example:

The movie will soon be shown in Taiwan.

We should be able to move "soon" right next to "shown," right? "The movie will be shown soon in Taiwan." However, putting the two modifiers next to each other at the end confuses the meaning. The meaning of the original was that the movie would be shown in Taiwan, and that this would happen soon. In the rewrite, "in Taiwan" modifies "will be shown soon" or even just "soon" (as opposed to just "shown"). This implies that while it will be shown soon in Taiwan, it might not be shown soon anywhere else.

Here's one other example of how adverb placement can affect meaning:

I will gladly sing sadly. (Correct. "Gladly" modifies "sing sadly." I would be glad to sing in this way.)

I will sing gladly sadly. (Incorrect. I would never write this way, but the most likely meaning would be the opposite of the above. I will sing gladly, but I will be sad while I am doing so.)

The moral of the story is that modifiers are like permutations. Order matters!
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Not trusting themselves to choose wisely among the wide array of investment opportunities on the market, stockbrokers are helping many people who turn to them to buy stocks that could be easily bought directly.

Meaning analysis:
1. People do not trust themselves to choose wisely
2. Hence they take help of stock brokers to buy stocks
3. (to buy) Stocks that can be easily bought directly


Error analysis:
1. Misplaced modifier. “Not trusting ..” should modify People – logically, How stockbrokers cannot trust themselves to choose. – Option A gives incorrect meaning



(A) stockbrokers are helping many people who turn to them to buy stocks that could be easily
Incorrect – Explained above.

(B) stockbrokers are helping many people who are turning to them for help in buying stocks that they could easily have
Misplaced modifier. – incorrect (same as A)
It creates even more funny meaning, people are turning to help brockers :P

(C) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help from them to buy stocks that could be easily
“turning to stockbrokers for help from them” – from them seems to be redundant. Even if we remove it still sentence can stand.
Incorrect

(D) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help to buy stocks that easily could have been
“Help to buy” – People are turning to stockbroker for help to buy” , it probably saying People are helping brocker

“Could have been “ – past event, but we need to say about possibility not about what happened – incorrect meaning

(E) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help in buying stocks that could easily be
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Not trusting themselves to choose wisely among the wide array of investment opportunities on the market, stockbrokers are helping many people who turn to them to buy stocks that could be easily bought directly.

Meaning analysis:
1. People do not trust themselves to choose wisely
2. Hence they take help of stock brokers to buy stocks
3. (to buy) Stocks that can be easily bought directly


Error analysis:
1. Misplaced modifier. “Not trusting ..” should modify People – logically, How stockbrokers cannot trust themselves to choose. – Option A gives incorrect meaning



(A) stockbrokers are helping many people who turn to them to buy stocks that could be easily
Incorrect – Explained above.

(B) stockbrokers are helping many people who are turning to them for help in buying stocks that they could easily have
Misplaced modifier. – incorrect (same as A)
It creates even more funny meaning, people are turning to help brockers :P

(C) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help from them to buy stocks that could be easily
“turning to stockbrokers for help from them” – from them seems to be redundant. Even if we remove it still sentence can stand.
Incorrect

(D) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help to buy stocks that easily could have been
“Help to buy” – People are turning to stockbroker for help to buy” , it probably saying People are helping brocker

“Could have been “ – past event, but we need to say about possibility not about what happened – incorrect meaning

(E) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help in buying stocks that could easily be
Correct


Nice Analysis Viswa.

Just one more point I want to add:

(D) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help to buy stocks that easily could have been

(E) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help in buying stocks that could easily be

Easily is an adverb and is modifying the verb. Try to put the adverb as close as possible to verb.
For Option D) the verb is bought
So the ideal would be "that could have been easily bought".

For option E) it is already ideal.
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vishwaprakash wrote:
Not trusting themselves to choose wisely among the wide array of investment opportunities on the market, stockbrokers are helping many people who turn to them to buy stocks that could be easily bought directly.

Meaning analysis:
1. People do not trust themselves to choose wisely
2. Hence they take help of stock brokers to buy stocks
3. (to buy) Stocks that can be easily bought directly


Error analysis:
1. Misplaced modifier. “Not trusting ..” should modify People – logically, How stockbrokers cannot trust themselves to choose. – Option A gives incorrect meaning



(A) stockbrokers are helping many people who turn to them to buy stocks that could be easily
Incorrect – Explained above.

(B) stockbrokers are helping many people who are turning to them for help in buying stocks that they could easily have
Misplaced modifier. – incorrect (same as A)
It creates even more funny meaning, people are turning to help brockers :P

(C) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help from them to buy stocks that could be easily
“turning to stockbrokers for help from them” – from them seems to be redundant. Even if we remove it still sentence can stand.
Incorrect

(D) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help to buy stocks that easily could have been
“Help to buy” – People are turning to stockbroker for help to buy” , it probably saying People are helping brocker

“Could have been “ – past event, but we need to say about possibility not about what happened – incorrect meaning

(E) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help in buying stocks that could easily be
Correct


Nice Analysis Viswa.

Just one more point I want to add:

(D) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help to buy stocks that easily could have been

(E) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help in buying stocks that could easily be

Easily is an adverb and is modifying the verb. Try to put the adverb as close as possible to verb.
For Option D) the verb is bought
So the ideal would be "that could have been easily bought".

For option E) it is already ideal.



Hi GMATIFY

I have one doubt :

As per your analysis for option, if we have to twist option E, is it safe to assume :-

"many people are turning to stockbrokers for help in buying stocks that could be easily" is better than "many people are turning to stockbrokers for help in buying stocks that could easily be"

I know OG answers are perfect. But just a doubt
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vishwaprakash wrote:
Not trusting themselves to choose wisely among the wide array of investment opportunities on the market, stockbrokers are helping many people who turn to them to buy stocks that could be easily bought directly.

Meaning analysis:
1. People do not trust themselves to choose wisely
2. Hence they take help of stock brokers to buy stocks
3. (to buy) Stocks that can be easily bought directly


Error analysis:
1. Misplaced modifier. “Not trusting ..” should modify People – logically, How stockbrokers cannot trust themselves to choose. – Option A gives incorrect meaning



(A) stockbrokers are helping many people who turn to them to buy stocks that could be easily
Incorrect – Explained above.

(B) stockbrokers are helping many people who are turning to them for help in buying stocks that they could easily have
Misplaced modifier. – incorrect (same as A)
It creates even more funny meaning, people are turning to help brockers :P

(C) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help from them to buy stocks that could be easily
“turning to stockbrokers for help from them” – from them seems to be redundant. Even if we remove it still sentence can stand.
Incorrect

(D) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help to buy stocks that easily could have been
“Help to buy” – People are turning to stockbroker for help to buy” , it probably saying People are helping brocker

“Could have been “ – past event, but we need to say about possibility not about what happened – incorrect meaning

(E) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help in buying stocks that could easily be
Correct


Nice Analysis Viswa.

Just one more point I want to add:

(D) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help to buy stocks that easily could have been

(E) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help in buying stocks that could easily be

Easily is an adverb and is modifying the verb. Try to put the adverb as close as possible to verb.
For Option D) the verb is bought
So the ideal would be "that could have been easily bought".

For option E) it is already ideal.


Just want to add one more point

(D) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help to buy stocks that easily could have been

(E) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help in buying stocks that could easily be

Here the difference between D and E is ‘TO VERB’ VS ‘FOR VERB-ING’

I feel for help in buying stocks is correct as it is idiomatic. People turned to stockbrokers for help in doing sth(activity).
It is not idiomatic to say that People turned to stockbrokers for help to buy stocks.

Since for defines the purpose of doing something and
to buy changes its meaning as to+ verb is intentional.

Please correct me if am wrong or missed anything
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Hello Dmitry

I was referring to the MGMAT SC book (page 203, 6th Edition) where the logic for infinitives is explained and I am super confused now. In this question, there is also a split seen b/w "to buy" and "in buying".

Per my understanding from the book, it seems that for "to buy" in this sentence the subject is "many people" who are the ones that will buy stock. Also "Stock" is separately supplied here as the object for the infinitive "to buy" - In this case, why is the use of "to buy" unidiomatic here.

Your help will be really appreciated.

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Hi Cadaver,

No, you wouldn't want to rewrite E in that way. E is using "easily" to modify "be bought directly." The meaning is that it is easy for people to buy directly. If we move "easily," it is now just modifying "bought." This would mean that what we can do directly is specifically to "easily buy" stocks. It oddly/awkwardly implies that "easy buying" can be direct, but "non-easy buying" cannot. Basically, it violates the order in which we should sensibly apply modifiers. Consider this example:

The movie will soon be shown in Taiwan.

We should be able to move "soon" right next to "shown," right? "The movie will be shown soon in Taiwan." However, putting the two modifiers next to each other at the end confuses the meaning. The meaning of the original was that the movie would be shown in Taiwan, and that this would happen soon. In the rewrite, "in Taiwan" modifies "will be shown soon" or even just "soon" (as opposed to just "shown"). This implies that while it will be shown soon in Taiwan, it might not be shown soon anywhere else.

Here's one other example of how adverb placement can affect meaning:

I will gladly sing sadly. (Correct. "Gladly" modifies "sing sadly." I would be glad to sing in this way.)

I will sing gladly sadly. (Incorrect. I would never write this way, but the most likely meaning would be the opposite of the above. I will sing gladly, but I will be sad while I am doing so.)

The moral of the story is that modifiers are like permutations. Order matters!
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Hi Cadaver,

No, you wouldn't want to rewrite E in that way. E is using "easily" to modify "be bought directly." The meaning is that it is easy for people to buy directly. If we move "easily," it is now just modifying "bought." This would mean that what we can do directly is specifically to "easily buy" stocks. It oddly/awkwardly implies that "easy buying" can be direct, but "non-easy buying" cannot. Basically, it violates the order in which we should sensibly apply modifiers. Consider this example:

The movie will soon be shown in Taiwan.

We should be able to move "soon" right next to "shown," right? "The movie will be shown soon in Taiwan." However, putting the two modifiers next to each other at the end confuses the meaning. The meaning of the original was that the movie would be shown in Taiwan, and that this would happen soon. In the rewrite, "in Taiwan" modifies "will be shown soon" or even just "soon" (as opposed to just "shown"). This implies that while it will be shown soon in Taiwan, it might not be shown soon anywhere else.

Here's one other example of how adverb placement can affect meaning:

I will gladly sing sadly. (Correct. "Gladly" modifies "sing sadly." I would be glad to sing in this way.)

I will sing gladly sadly. (Incorrect. I would never write this way, but the most likely meaning would be the opposite of the above. I will sing gladly, but I will be sad while I am doing so.)

The moral of the story is that modifiers are like permutations. Order matters!


Really understood the point from what you explained. Thanks,

But i feel
I will sing gladly sadly makes no sense. Right?
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rsaahil90, in terms of our guide, "to buy" is an infinitive of purpose. It doesn't describe a noun; it describes why someone does something. It's hard to say exactly how it works here, because all of the choices that contain "to buy" are grammatically incorrect, but basically people are turning to stockbrokers to buy stocks. In other words, people want stockbrokers to buy on their behalf. You could also say that people want to buy the stock, and they are going to stockbrokers to get this done. In many ways, these are the same thing, since stockbrokers conduct the actual transaction, but the people who go to them are considered the actual buyers.
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neha1993,

As I suggested when I wrote that sentence, I would be unlikely to produce a sentence like "I will sing gladly sadly" in any real context, but the meaning would be this: I will sing in a glad manner, but I will be sad to do so. It would make sense if, for instance, I were forced to sing a happy song while in an unhappy mood. Maybe I received bad news before stepping on stage . . . :cry:
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Not trusting themselves to choose wisely among the wide array of investment opportunities on the market, stockbrokers are helping many people who turn to them to buy stocks that could be easily bought directly.

(A) stockbrokers are helping many people who turn to them to buy stocks that could be easily

(B) stockbrokers are helping many people who are turning to them for help in buying stocks that they could easily have

(C) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help from them to buy stocks that could be easily

(D) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help to buy stocks that easily could have been

(E) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help in buying stocks that could easily be


Hi chetan2u, daagh, sayantanc2kl

if i replace "could have been" in choice D with "could easily be" and then comapre choice D and E for the following
from choice D: help to buy
from choice E: help in buying

are these both correct?

"help to" is an idiom. i dont know how correct "help in buying" is. could you please explain.
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How to differentiate between Option D and Option E?
I read the thread, but I am still not able to understand.
Something to do with later part of the underlined portion and Easily's placement.

Kindly explain. Thank you.
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How to differentiate between Option D and Option E?
I read the thread, but I am still not able to understand.
Something to do with later part of the underlined portion and Easily's placement.

Kindly explain. Thank you.


The verb "could have been" implies a past event. If the stock could have been bought directly IN THE PAST, then why people are turning to stock holders NOW to buy those same stocks? Hence this usage gives rise to illogical meaning.

The intended meaning is that people are turning to stockholders rather than buying directly. Hence depicting the latter action ( "buying directly") as a past event is illogical - both should be indicating same time reference. Hence D is wrong.

Note: "could be" used in E is not depicting past - it is the implication of the hypothetical action of buying directly.
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Hi Cadaver,

No, you wouldn't want to rewrite E in that way. E is using "easily" to modify "be bought directly." The meaning is that it is easy for people to buy directly. If we move "easily," it is now just modifying "bought." This would mean that what we can do directly is specifically to "easily buy" stocks. It oddly/awkwardly implies that "easy buying" can be direct, but "non-easy buying" cannot. Basically, it violates the order in which we should sensibly apply modifiers. Consider this example:

The movie will soon be shown in Taiwan.

We should be able to move "soon" right next to "shown," right? "The movie will be shown soon in Taiwan." However, putting the two modifiers next to each other at the end confuses the meaning. The meaning of the original was that the movie would be shown in Taiwan, and that this would happen soon. In the rewrite, "in Taiwan" modifies "will be shown soon" or even just "soon" (as opposed to just "shown"). This implies that while it will be shown soon in Taiwan, it might not be shown soon anywhere else.

Here's one other example of how adverb placement can affect meaning:

I will gladly sing sadly. (Correct. "Gladly" modifies "sing sadly." I would be glad to sing in this way.)

I will sing gladly sadly. (Incorrect. I would never write this way, but the most likely meaning would be the opposite of the above. I will sing gladly, but I will be sad while I am doing so.)

The moral of the story is that modifiers are like permutations. Order matters!


Hi DmitryFarber,

Thanks for your post.

The movie will soon be shown in Taiwan.

As you explained, in the above sentence, in Taiwan modifies --will soon be shown

However, I will gladly sing sadly

in the above, gladly modifies sing sadly

What I meant is -- when two verb modifier come together, we put them at the appropriate position to refer correct meaning.

but, in the first sentence, modifier before the verb is attached first to the verb to find the intended meaning

while, in the second sentence, modifier after the verb is attached first to the verb to find the intended meaning.

How do we determine this sequence?
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ravi19012015 wrote:
How to differentiate between Option D and Option E?
I read the thread, but I am still not able to understand.
Something to do with later part of the underlined portion and Easily's placement.

Kindly explain. Thank you.


The verb "could have been" implies a past event. If the stock could have been bought directly IN THE PAST, then why people are turning to stock holders NOW to buy those same stocks? Hence this usage gives rise to illogical meaning.

The intended meaning is that people are turning to stockholders rather than buying directly. Hence depicting the latter action ( "buying directly") as a past event is illogical - both should be indicating same time reference. Hence D is wrong.

Note: "could be" used in E is not depicting past - it is the implication of the hypothetical action of buying directly.




Thanks sayantanc2k for the explanation.

However, for this question, choice D is incorrect, "been"(could have been) is correctly used because the sentence is in the passive voice.

I was reading other question in which "could have" (active voice) refers to the current time. Below is the correct form of that sentence.

The guiding principles of the tax plan released by the Treasury Department could have even greater significance for the economy than do the particulars of the plan.

How can we determine when "could have" refers to the present time when it definitely refers to the past?
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Thanks sayantanc2k for the explanation.

However, for this question, choice D is incorrect, "been"(could have been) is correctly used because the sentence is in the passive voice.

I was reading other question in which "could have" (active voice) refers to the current time. Below is the correct form of that sentence.

The guiding principles of the tax plan released by the Treasury Department could have even greater significance for the economy than do the particulars of the plan.

How can we determine when "could have" refers to the present time when it definitely refers to the past?


I rejected D as it changes the meaning of the sentence. In the original sentence, we are said stocks that could be easily bought(Meaning both now and in the past).

So, Why would I choose an option that would say could have been(Meaning may or may not now be easily bought) when I have the original meaning intact in option E? I hope it is clear to you now.

The sentence that you have given is 100% correct. It clearly states that Something has been released now but had something else were in shape, it would have a greater impact.

I hope that makes sense.
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ravi19012015 wrote:
How to differentiate between Option D and Option E?
I read the thread, but I am still not able to understand.
Something to do with later part of the underlined portion and Easily's placement.

Kindly explain. Thank you.


The verb "could have been" implies a past event. If the stock could have been bought directly IN THE PAST, then why people are turning to stock holders NOW to buy those same stocks? Hence this usage gives rise to illogical meaning.

The intended meaning is that people are turning to stockholders rather than buying directly. Hence depicting the latter action ( "buying directly") as a past event is illogical - both should be indicating same time reference. Hence D is wrong.

Note: "could be" used in E is not depicting past - it is the implication of the hypothetical action of buying directly.




Thanks sayantanc2k for the explanation.

However, for this question, choice D is incorrect, "been"(could have been) is correctly used because the sentence is in the passive voice.

I was reading other question in which "could have" (active voice) refers to the current time. Below is the correct form of that sentence.

The guiding principles of the tax plan released by the Treasury Department could have even greater significance for the economy than do the particulars of the plan.

How can we determine when "could have" refers to the present time when it definitely refers to the past?


In your example the verb is "have". Here "could" depicts a possibility. The usage is similar to the following
They could have significance. (They may have significance)
He could be the captain. (He may be the captain)

"Could have " + participle is always past-
They could have had significance.
He could have been the captain.
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AR15J, in both of my examples, the first adverb modifies all that follows. The movie will be shown in Taiwan. When? Soon. I will sing sadly. How? Gladly.

However, to your larger question of how we work with order to determine meaning, it's very complicated! There are some guidelines, many of them things we don't think about explicitly. We also try to work with what seems to be the intended meaning. There are actually people researching this right now, and you can find articles on the subject of, say, how we choose and interpret the order of adjectives. If you're curious, check this out: http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_ ... sacpm.html
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Not trusting themselves to choose wisely among the wide array of investment opportunities on the market, stockbrokers are helping many people who turn to them to buy stocks that could be easily bought directly.

(A) stockbrokers are helping many people who turn to them to buy stocks that could be easily

(B) stockbrokers are helping many people who are turning to them for help in buying stocks that they could easily have

(C) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help from them to buy stocks that could be easily

(D) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help to buy stocks that easily could have been

(E) many people are turning to stockbrokers for help in buying stocks that could easily be


if help is a verb, we have following idioms
help sombody with something
help sombody in doing something
help somebody to do something
if help is a noun, we have the following idioms
help in doing something
help with something

so, this question is about idioms with help. choice E uses help in doing and , so, is correct .
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Can you please explain all the mistakes in option D?
Also, please explain why is "easily could have been" wrong with respect to "could easily be" in option E.
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