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# QOTD: The Supreme Court has ruled that public universities may collect

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The Supreme Court has ruled that public universities may collect student activity fees even with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be chosen without regard to their views.

(A) with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be

(B) if they have objections to particular activities and the groups that are given the money are

(C) if they object to particular activities, but the groups that the money is given to have to be

(D) from students who object to particular activities, so long as the groups given money are

(E) though students have an objection to particular activities, but the groups that are given the money be

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(A) with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be

Whoa, there’s all sorts of weird crap in (A). For starters, “universities may collect student activity fees even with students’ objections to particular activities” literally seems to be saying that activity fees and objections are collected together, somehow. And that doesn’t make sense.

I’m also not thrilled with the pronouns. I’m OK with the “their” at the very end of the sentence, because that seems to refer to the most recent plural noun (“groups”), but I don't love the phrase “they give money to.” I guess “they” is trying to refer to “public universities”, but we have a whole bunch of other plural nouns in the way (“student activity fees”, “students’ objections”, “activities”).

Of course, pronoun ambiguity isn’t an absolute rule on the GMAT (as discussed in this video), but it’s really not awesome when the pronouns are somewhat confusing. Maybe the pronoun isn’t WRONG, but it’s not ideal, either.

I also have absolutely no idea why the future tense “will be” appears in this sentence.

So we have plenty of good reasons to ditch (A).

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(B) if they have objections to particular activities and the groups that are given the money are

The first “they” is definitely wrong in (B). The only plural nouns earlier in the sentence are “public universities” and “activity fees”, and neither of those make sense. The sentence is trying to say that universities can collect fees even if students have objections to particular activities – and the only form of “students” in the sentence is actually an adjective (“student activity fees”).

There’s also a meaning issue that stems from the parallelism in (B). We have: “…public universities may collect student activity fees even if they have objections to particular activities and the groups that are given the money are chosen without regard to their views.

That doesn’t actually make sense: the sentence is not trying to say that universities may collect fees even if groups receive money without regard to their views. The sentence is trying to say that universities may collect fees as long as the groups receive money without regard to their views. That last part is a requirement imposed by the Supreme Court, so it’s wrong to precede the phrase with “even if.”

So (B) is out.

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(C) if they object to particular activities, but the groups that the money is given to have to be

Welp, “they” is still wrong at the beginning of the underlined portion. See the explanations for (A) and (B) above for more on the pronoun issue.

You could also argue that the end of the underlined portion is unnecessarily messy: “the groups that the money is given to have to be” is a very wordy way to say “the groups given money must be…” By itself, this isn’t necessarily WRONG, but it’s not great, either.

And even if you don’t agree with anything I wrote in that last paragraph, the pronoun issues are enough to eliminate (C).

Let’s line up our last two candidates side-by-side:
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(D) from students who object to particular activities, so long as the groups given money are
(E) though students have an objection to particular activities, but the groups that are given the money be

The meaning of that first part of the underlined portion is very different in (E) than in (D). (E) is literally saying that universities may collect activity fees “even though students” object to certain activities. The trouble is, it’s not clear WHICH students object to the fees. (D), on the other hand, clarifies that universities can collect fees from the specific students who object to particular activities. And the meaning of (D) makes a whole lot more sense, given the context of the sentence.

The last part of the underlined portion is also much better in (D) than in (E). The sentence is trying to say that universities can collect fees only if the groups given money are “chosen without regard to their views.” (D) correctly conveys that meaning with the phrase “as long as”; (E) loses part of the point of the sentence by using “but” instead.

So (E) is out, and (D) is our answer.
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16 Jan 2018, 00:42
Will go with D... From students is the right word

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The Supreme Court has ruled that public universities may collect student activity fees even with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be chosen without regard to their views.

(A) with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be -ambiguous they. No antecedent

(B) if they have objections to particular activities and the groups that are given the money are -They doesn't have any antecedent

(C) if they object to particular activities, but the groups that the money is given to have to be -They doesn't have any antecedent; "but" is wrongly used.

(D) from students who object to particular activities, so long as the groups given money are -CORRECT

(E) though students have an objection to particular activities, but the groups that are given the money be -"but" is wrongly used
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16 Jan 2018, 04:53
A,B and C has antecedent issues
E "but" shows contrast
IMO D is correct
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16 Jan 2018, 10:10
Is 'their' in the qstn not ambiguous?
It can refer to public universities or students

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16 Jan 2018, 11:11
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The Supreme Court has ruled that public universities may collect student activity fees even with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be chosen without regard to their views.

(A) with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be

(B) if they have objections to particular activities and the groups that are given the money are

(C) if they object to particular activities, but the groups that the money is given to have to be

(D) from students who object to particular activities, so long as the groups given money are

(E) though students have an objection to particular activities, but the groups that are given the money be

Clearly with (D), errors in other options highlighted.
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17 Jan 2018, 10:52
Clearly, option D is the correct answer but OA is given as option C. Can somebody explain this??
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17 Jan 2018, 16:30
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Clearly, option D is the correct answer but OA is given as option C. Can somebody explain this??

Hello ayush19,

It just appears to be a typographical error to me.

You have made the correct choice.

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18 Jan 2018, 02:03
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(B) if they have objections to particular activities and the groups that are given the money are -Can They have antecedent as groups

(C) if they object to particular activities, but the groups that the money is given to have to be -Can They have antecedent as groups
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18 Jan 2018, 21:47
ayush19 wrote:
Clearly, option D is the correct answer but OA is given as option C. Can somebody explain this??

Hello

I had this wrong too, because I immediately dismissed C as having a "they" that didn't refer to anything. but looking at it again, I think in the following answer choice, "they" refers to public universities. And overall, the sentence makes more sense if you think about the public university as "they"

The Supreme Court has ruled that public universities may collect student activity fees even if they object to particular activities, but the groups that the money is given to have to be chosen without regard to their views.

so even if the universities object to an activity ,they can still collect fees, but can't base how they allocate the money on their views (their views meaning the groups' views, I think)

hope this helps, or please let me know if you disagree. it's a tough question, but just considering the sentence with a different meaning really helps (universities' objections not students', which probably makes more sense)
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18 Jan 2018, 22:58
Hi jps245,

Thanks for that explanation but if you look closely, then going by your logic, you will find that both option B and C convey the same meaning, so how will you choose between these two options?

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19 Jan 2018, 10:37
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Hi jps245,

Thanks for that explanation but if you look closely, then going by your logic, you will find that both option B and C convey the same meaning, so how will you choose between these two options?

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Hi ayush19,

That's a good question. I think C is the better choice here most likely because it shows some kind of contrast between the two ideas (by using 'but'). its also a little confusing because you'd have to separate the sentence into three parts - into what the university is allowed to do despite of something and what the condition is:

- universities may collect student activity fees even IF (...despite)
- they object to particular activities BUT (...on this condition)
- they have to allocate money without regard to the groups' views

Answer B is saying something slightly different

- universities may collect student activity fees even if (...despite)
- they have objections AND they allocate money without regard to the groups' views

answer B is saying that they can collect fees even if they allocate the money without regard to the groups views....so its like saying that they can allocate money even if they allocate it fairly, which doesn't make as much sense. I think the sentence has to show that second part is a condition of the university collecting fees, but answer B is saying they can collect fees despite them allocating them fairly.

Sorry for the long explanation. Please let me know if this doesn't make sense. This seems like a really tough question and, at least to me, it seems like it could take at least two minutes to arrive at the right answer
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19 Jan 2018, 16:16
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Is 'their' in the qstn not ambiguous?
It can refer to public universities or students

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Hello akshata19,

The pronoun their in the non-underlined portion of this official sentence logically refers to groups.

The sentence presents a condition that the groups that are selected must be chosen without regard to their = the groups' views.

The sentence does not talk about the universities' or the students' views.

Hope this helps.
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(B) if they have objections to particular activities and the groups that are given the money are -Can They have antecedent as groups

(C) if they object to particular activities, but the groups that the money is given to have to be -Can They have antecedent as groups

Hello nishantmba,

The plural pronoun they in choices B and C cannot refer to the plural noun the groups.

Pay close attention to what the sentence says. It says that the universities may collect money [u]student activity fees[/u]. The phrase makes it clear that the students are entitled to pay this fees, no matter they are willing or not willing to do.

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22 Jan 2018, 11:27
Hi,

I understand why the Option C is the right answer, but could someone please explain why option D is wrong?

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24 Jan 2018, 14:35
the grammar issue here is "as (or so) long as";
"be" in E is incorrect b/c subjunctive mood is not used here.
"even though" changes the meaning.
it is not clear how "but" relates with the ruling of the court.
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Verbal Question of The Day: Day 201: Sentence Correction

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The Supreme Court has ruled that public universities may collect student activity fees even with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be chosen without regard to their views.

(A) with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be

(B) if they have objections to particular activities and the groups that are given the money are

(C) if they object to particular activities, but the groups that the money is given to have to be

(D) from students who object to particular activities, so long as the groups given money are

(E) though students have an objection to particular activities, but the groups that are given the money bew

why choice A is wrong
in the pattern
main clause+ with+noun
"with+noun" is used to show the method of action in main clause. so, in choice A, "with objection" is not logic. universities dose not collect fee by using objection. no sense.
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The Supreme Court has ruled that public universities may collect student activity fees even with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be chosen without regard to their views.

(A) with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be

(B) if they have objections to particular activities and the groups that are given the money are

(C) if they object to particular activities, but the groups that the money is given to have to be

(D) from students who object to particular activities, so long as the groups given money are

(E) though students have an objection to particular activities, but the groups that are given the money be

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these 700 level SC questions are really tricky....itend to miss some deatils ...

what I dont understand is this expression " the groups given money are" "are" cant refer to money right ? because money is "is" so "are" refers to "groups" but does it make sense ? i dont get logogical conecttion... on the other hand if it were " the groups given money is" sounds better but it wouldnt link the remaining part of sentence.

Is is some specfic senteance construction the groups given money are" how do we call this sentence construction.... does it mean that groups that give money are chosen.....?

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Hello GMATNinja

these 700 level SC questions are really tricky....itend to miss some deatils ...

what I dont understand is this expression " the groups given money are" "are" cant refer to money right ? because money is "is" so "are" refers to "groups" but does it make sense ? i dont get logogical conecttion... on the other hand if it were " the groups given money is" sounds better but it wouldnt link the remaining part of sentence.

Is is some specfic senteance construction the groups given money are" how do we call this sentence construction.... does it mean that groups that give money are chosen.....?

have a great weekend i can already smell a weekend mood one day before it

Ah, the delicious, slightly moist smell of weekend...

I'm not a huge fan of the grammar jargon, but here's the heart of that part of the sentence:

"...the groups... are chosen without regard to their views."

So yes, "groups" are the grammatical subject here. It's in passive voice, and the sentence never actually states who, exactly, chooses the groups. We just know that the groups are chosen (by an unnamed somebody) without regard to those groups' views.

"...the groups given money are chosen without regard to their views."

The phrase "given money" is just modifying "the groups." Basically, it just clarifies that "the groups" we're discussing are specifically the groups that receive money.

I hope that helps, and enjoy the weekend!
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