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Researchers agreed that the study of new treatments for heart attack patients was extremely important but more research was needed to determine that balloon angioplasty preceded with ultrasound was or was not any better for heart attack patients than the balloon procedure by itself.

(A) more research was needed to determine that balloon angioplasty preceded with ultrasound was or was not any better for heart attack patients than

(B) more research was needed for determining whether or not balloon angioplasty preceded by ultrasound is any better for heart attack patients than is

(C) that more research was needed to determine whether balloon angioplasty preceded by ultrasound is any better for heart attack patients than

(D) that more research was needed to determine that balloon angioplasty preceded with ultrasound was any better for heart attack patients than

(E) that more research was needed for determining that balloon angioplasty preceded by ultrasound is or is not any better for heart attack patients than is
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A. wrong construction 'was or was not'. Wrong time ('is' required)
B. 'whether or not' - right construction. 'Was' changed to 'is'. Than correctly terminated by 'is'. Right one - correct answer
C-E. 'but that' is awkward and ungrammatical.

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IMO C.

The sentence is using the structure X but Y, we need to maintain parallelism between X and Y.
Here to maintain parallelism, we need to have a "that" after "but"
Researchers agreed that the study......but that more research....
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I am not fan of 'whether or not', 'whether' is sufficient.

IMO:

- agreed that .. , but that -> shows parallelism.
Can someone confirm?

- Also in B 'is' is not necessary in end.
Is it?

I pick C.
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New post 29 Jul 2009, 01:53
Just a little query!! :)

The whole sentence is of past tense.

Why we are using "is" in below phrase
balloon angioplasty preceded by ultrasound is any better for heart attack patients ..

Why not "was"???
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OA is B
What do u think guys OA is correct?


I derived the same answer, so I definitely think it's correct.

We already started new clause with conjunction 'but', so 'that' is absolutely redundant here!

Originally posted by DenisSh on 29 Jul 2009, 04:07.
Last edited by DenisSh on 29 Jul 2009, 04:18, edited 1 time in total.
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Just a little query!! :) ... Why not "was"???


Reseach was conducted in the past, but 'balloon angioplasty preceded by ultrasound' is better in the past and present.

Past: balloon angioplasty was better (until sth. new is invented)
Present: balloon angioplasty is better (still nothing is better)
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DenisSh wrote:
ankur55 wrote:
OA is B
What do u think guys OA is correct?


I derived the same answer, so I definitely think it's correct.

We already started new clause with conjunction 'but', so 'that' is absolutely redundant here!


what about the clauses when we use it with the conjunction 'and'? In that case, we look for parallelism "and that". Why in that case 'that' is not redundant?
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i have the same doubt as above...and was actually inclined towards option D


IMO:
In D, "determined that" makes it in a subjunctive mood, so usage of 'was' is not correct.
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None of the answer choices are perfect:

A. "Preceded with" is wrong. Should be "preceded by"
"was or was not" unidiomatic, wordy and awkward.
B. "Whether or not" is redundant and hence wrong on the GMAT. Whether should suffice.
"For determining" is wrong. It should be "to determine"
C. The use of "that" is avoidable but doesnt make the construction wrong. the best among the given options
D. "Preceded with" is wrong. Should be "preceded by"
E. "For determining" is wrong. It should be "to determine"
"is or is not" unidiomatic, wordy and awkward.
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See this:

nice explanation!!
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/post1993.html#p1993
summary:
C is the best.
- 'but that' is correct for parallelism.
- to determine
- preceded by

Also something useful for "conjunction +that"
http://www.urch.com/forums/gmat-sentenc ... epaet.html


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DenisSh wrote:
ankur55 wrote:
OA is B
What do u think guys OA is correct?


I derived the same answer, so I definitely think it's correct.

We already started new clause with conjunction 'but', so 'that' is absolutely redundant here!



but here is conujction and not cordinating conjunction..so it is use to show contrat.....to work as coordinating conjunction it(but) must come after comma.....
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A is the best
B & C - whether is not used properly
D - that not used propely
E - too lengthy
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IMO B
A was or was not wrong
C, D Need to is not idimomatic, isnt it?
E is or is not doesnt sound right
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REASON: 'that' is reqd after but for llism... so left with choices C,D & E...
determining a preference.. 'whether' is correct..... so C
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Researchers agreed that the study of new treatments for heart attack patients was
extremely important but more research was needed to determine that balloon angioplasty
preceded with ultrasound was or was not any better for heart attack patients than the
balloon procedure by itself.
A. more research was needed to determine that balloon angioplasty preceded with
ultrasound was or was not any better for heart attack patients than -- was or was not -- awkward
B. more research was needed for determining whether or not balloon angioplasty - "Whether or not" is not correct usage
preceded by ultrasound is any better for heart attack patients than is
C. that more research was needed to determine whether balloon angioplasty preceded
by ultrasound is any better for heart attack patients than
D. that more research was needed to determine that balloon angioplasty preceded
with ultrasound was any better for heart attack patients than - "preceded with" is not a correct idiom
E. that more research was needed for determining that balloon angioplasty preceded
by ultrasound is or is not any better for heart attack patients than is - is or is not is awkward.
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Researchers agreed that the study of new treatments for heart attack patients was
extremely important but more research was needed to determine that balloon angioplasty
preceded with ultrasound was or was not any better for heart attack patients than the
balloon procedure by itself.
A. more research was needed to determine that balloon angioplasty preceded with
ultrasound was or was not any better for heart attack patients than -- was or was not -- awkward
B. more research was needed for determining whether or not balloon angioplasty - "Whether or not" is not correct usage
preceded by ultrasound is any better for heart attack patients than is
C. that more research was needed to determine whether balloon angioplasty preceded
by ultrasound is any better for heart attack patients than
D. that more research was needed to determine that balloon angioplasty preceded
with ultrasound was any better for heart attack patients than - "preceded with" is not a correct idiom
E. that more research was needed for determining that balloon angioplasty preceded
by ultrasound is or is not any better for heart attack patients than is - is or is not is awkward.

In option B, use of "whether or not" is perfectly correct. Option C is incorrect because the result of " balloon angioplasty preceded by ultrasound" is comparted with the procedure "balloon procedure by itself". Where as the intent was to compare result of 1'st with the result of 2'nd so "is" should be present after than.
So the answer should be "B"
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Well i would like to look at it this way....

repeated usage of 'that' ruins the chances of c d e. " researchers agreed that......but that ....." unecessary usage !!!!

its either A or B. In A was or was not isnt the correct usage,!

In B whether or not is used but its the right usage......if u have two options usageof whether is perfectly acceptable!!!
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Actually it is a question from gmatprep, the OA is C. I have attached the screen shot of the question.
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Researchers agreed that the study of new treatments for heart attack patients was
extremely important but more research was needed to determine that balloon angioplasty
preceded with ultrasound was or was not any better for heart attack patients than
the
balloon procedure by itself.

A. more research was needed to determine that balloon angioplasty preceded with
ultrasound was or was not any better for heart attack patients than
B. more research was needed for determining whether or not balloon angioplasty
preceded by ultrasound is any better for heart attack patients than is
C. that more research was needed to determine whether balloon angioplasty preceded
by ultrasound is any better for heart attack patients than
D. that more research was needed to determine that balloon angioplasty preceded
with
ultrasound was any better for heart attack patients than
E. that more research was needed for determining that balloon angioplasty preceded
by ultrasound is or is not any better for heart attack patients than is


"preceded by" is correct idiom, hence eliminate A & D.
"needed to determine" is correct idiom, hence eliminate B & E.

I picked C for an answer, but I'm still having doubt whether C may contain the inconsistent tense with its "is"?
I know that I am not supposed to question the OA, but could someone kindly advise why we are fine with "is" in option C?
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