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# Researchers have found that individuals who have been blind from birth

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Researchers have found that individuals who have been blind from birth, and who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and that they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person.

(A) who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and that they will gesture

(B) who thus never saw anyone gesturing, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequent and in virtually the same way as sighted people did, and that they will gesture

(C) who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless made hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people, do, as well as gesturing

(D) thus never having seen anyone gesture, nevertheless made hand motions when speaking just as frequent and in virtually the same way as sighted people did, as well as gesturing

(E) thus never having seen anyone gesture, nevertheless to make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and to gesture

Originally posted by Abdul29 on 10 May 2012, 08:00.
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Hi,

Researchers have found that individuals who have been blind from birth, and who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and that they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person.

Error Analysis

1. All the subjects and verbs make sense and agree in number with each other – “who (refers to individuals) with “have never seen”, “individuals” with “make”, “people” with “do” and “they” with “will”.
2. All the verbs are written in correct tenses.
3. Pronoun “they” correctly refers to “individuals”.
4. All the modifiers are placed correctly and they modify the correct entities.
5. Entities “who have blind…” and “who thus have never seen” are parallel. So are entities “individuals… make hand motions” and “sighted people do”. So are “that individuals…” and “that they will gesture…”.
6. The sentence use correct idiom “ X as abc as Y”.
7. This sentence is correct as is.

POE:

Choice A: who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and that they will gesture: Correct for the reasons stated above.

Choice B: who thus never saw anyone gesturing, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequent and in virtually the same way as sighted people did, and that they will gesture” Incorrect. 1. “who have been blind” and “who thus never saw” are not parallel. 2. From verb tense point also, use of past tense to talk about an action that is still performed by blind people is incorrect. 3. Adjective “frequent” cannot modify verb “make”. 4. Again, use of past tense “did” to talk about the general fact that is true of the present content is incorrect.

Choice C: who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless made hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, as well as gesturing: Incorrect. 1. Use of past tense “made” is incorrect because the sentence is stating a general fact in the present context. 2. Use of “as well as” introduces a new list per which “made” and “gesturing” should be parallel but they are not. 3. Also “as well as” violates the parallelism between “that individuals…” and “that they…”.

Choice D: thus never having seen anyone gesture, nevertheless made hand motions when speaking just as frequent and in virtually the same way as sighted people did, as well as gesturing: Incorrect. 1. Use of “having seen” violates parallelism. 2. Also, this is the wrong tense to use in the context. 3. Use of past tense “made” is incorrect. 3. Adjective “frequent” cannot modify verb “make”. 4. Again, use of past tense “did” to talk about the general fact that is true of the present content is incorrect. 5. This choice repeats the errors of the use of “as well as” as in choice C.

Choice E:
thus never having seen anyone gesture, nevertheless to make hand motions when
speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and to gesture: Incorrect. 1. This choice repeats the errors of the use of “having seen” as in Choice D. 2. Use of “to” between subject “individuals” and verb “make” is incorrect. 3. “to gesture” is not parallel to “that individuals…”.

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Originally posted by egmat on 16 Feb 2014, 09:54.
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24 Nov 2012, 23:11
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Hi,

Researchers have found that individuals who have been blind from birth, and who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and that they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person.

Error Analysis

1. All the subjects and verbs make sense and agree in number with each other – “who (refers to individuals) with “have never seen”, “individuals” with “make”, “people” with “do” and “they” with “will”.
2. All the verbs are written in correct tenses.
3. Pronoun “they” correctly refers to “individuals”.
4. All the modifiers are placed correctly and they modify the correct entities.
5. Entities “who have blind…” and “who thus have never seen” are parallel. So are entities “individuals… make hand motions” and “sighted people do”. So are “that individuals…” and “that they will gesture…”.
6. The sentence use correct idiom “ X as abc as Y”.
7. This sentence is correct as is.

POE:

Choice A: who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and that they will gesture: Correct for the reasons stated above.

Choice B: who thus never saw anyone gesturing, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequent and in virtually the same way as sighted people did, and that they will gesture” Incorrect. 1. “who have been blind” and “who thus never saw” are not parallel. 2. From verb tense point also, use of past tense to talk about an action that is still performed by blind people is incorrect. 3. Adjective “frequent” cannot modify verb “make”. 4. Again, use of past tense “did” to talk about the general fact that is true of the present content is incorrect.

Choice C: who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless made hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, as well as gesturing: Incorrect. 1. Use of past tense “made” is incorrect because the sentence is stating a general fact in the present context. 2. Use of “as well as” introduces a new list per which “made” and “gesturing” should be parallel but they are not. 3. Also “as well as” violates the parallelism between “that individuals…” and “that they…”.

Choice D: thus never having seen anyone gesture, nevertheless made hand motions when speaking just as frequent and in virtually the same way as sighted people did, as well as gesturing: Incorrect. 1. Use of “having seen” violates parallelism. 2. Also, this is the wrong tense to use in the context. 3. Use of past tense “made” is incorrect. 3. Adjective “frequent” cannot modify verb “make”. 4. Again, use of past tense “did” to talk about the general fact that is true of the present content is incorrect. 5. This choice repeats the errors of the use of “as well as” as in choice C.

Choice E:
thus never having seen anyone gesture, nevertheless to make hand motions when
speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and to gesture: Incorrect. 1. This choice repeats the errors of the use of “having seen” as in Choice D. 2. Use of “to” between subject “individuals” and verb “make” is incorrect. 3. “to gesture” is not parallel to “that individuals…”.

Hope this helps.
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Had there been 'gestured' instead of gesturing, it would have become parallel to 'made' and the sentence would have been right?
In this case do we still need a parallelism with 'that'?

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Had there been 'gestured' instead of gesturing, it would have become parallel to 'made' and the sentence would have been right?
In this case do we still need a parallelism with 'that'?

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Hi Sachin,
We do need "that" to maintian parallelism in this sentence. This is because the reserachers found two things:
a. blind people make hand motions as frequently and in almost the same way as sighted people do.
b. blind people gesture even when they converse with another blind person.

These two facts need to be parallel and hence must the second entity must be preceded by "that" because the first entity is preceded by "that".

Hope this helps.
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Researchers have found that individuals who have been blind from birth, and who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and that they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person.

A) who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and that they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person.
B) who thus never saw anyone gesturing, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequent and in virtually the same way as sighted people did, and that they will gesture
C) who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless made hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people, do, as well as gesturing
D) thus never having seen anyone gesture, nevertheless made hand motions when speaking just as frequent and in virtually the same way as sighted people did, as well as gesturing
E) thus never having seen anyone gesture, nevertheless to make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and to gesture

This one gave me a headache.

This is why I think all the other options are wrong:
In B, "just as frequent" is wrong, and so is "sighted people did"
In C, "nevertheless made" hand motions is wrong because they haven't stopped making these hand motions, so we need the present tense - make
In D, "nevertheless made" is wrong again, and so is "just as frequent" because it should be "just as frequently"
In E, "nevertheless to make hand motions" is all kinds of wrong.
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This is essentially a question of maintaining //ism

A) who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and that they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person.----Correct choice maintaining//ism and tense form

B) who thus never saw anyone gesturing, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequent and in virtually the same way as sighted people did, and that they will gesture --- use of past tense ‘saw’ breaks //ism

C) who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless made hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people, do, as well as gesturing -------Use of past tense ‘made’ breaks //ism

D) thus never having seen anyone gesture, nevertheless made hand motions when speaking just as frequent and in virtually the same way as sighted people did, as well as gesturing –never having seen breaks //ism

E) thus never having seen anyone gesture, nevertheless to make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and to gesture--- same as D Plus a faulty construction.
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Researchers have found that individuals who have been blind from birth, and who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and that they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person.

A) who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and that they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person.
B) who thus never saw anyone gesturing, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequent and in virtually the same way as sighted people did, and that they will gesture
C) who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless made hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people, do, as well as gesturing
D) thus never having seen anyone gesture, nevertheless made hand motions when speaking just as frequent and in virtually the same way as sighted people did, as well as gesturing
E) thus never having seen anyone gesture, nevertheless to make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and to gesture

This one gave me a headache.

I am not able to understand the structure of this question.
As fas as I know Comma + and has two usage : when there is an independent clause or when there are 2 or more item in the list.
so in the sentence ,and who thus have never been .. is neither and independent clause nor an item in the list.
So what is the exact usage over here and please explain the entire grammatical strucutre in individual clauses and list.
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Abdul29 wrote:
Researchers have found that individuals who have been blind from birth, and who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and that they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person.

A) who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and that they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person.
B) who thus never saw anyone gesturing, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequent and in virtually the same way as sighted people did, and that they will gesture
C) who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless made hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people, do, as well as gesturing
D) thus never having seen anyone gesture, nevertheless made hand motions when speaking just as frequent and in virtually the same way as sighted people did, as well as gesturing
E) thus never having seen anyone gesture, nevertheless to make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and to gesture

This one gave me a headache.

I am not able to understand the structure of this question.
As fas as I know Comma + and has two usage : when there is an independent clause or when there are 2 or more item in the list.
so in the sentence ,and who thus have never been .. is neither and independent clause nor an item in the list.
So what is the exact usage over here and please explain the entire grammatical strucutre in individual clauses and list.

Hi abid1986,

You have correctly mentioned the two usage of ‘comma + and’. I think the problem you faced here is in breaking the sentence into clauses and that’s the reason you could not identify the function of ‘comma + and’ in this sentence.

Following is the grammatical structure of the sentence. You can find the subjects in the green and verbs in the blue.

Researchers have found (C-1)
o that
individuals (C-2)
o who have been blind from birth, (C-3)
o and who thus have never seen anyone gesture, (C-4)
• nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as (C-2 continued...)
sighted people do, (C-5)
o and that they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person. (C-6)

PARALLEL LIST- I

This list is of a certain things that the researchers have found:
1. Individuals make hand motions when speaking
2. And they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person.

This list of items is connected using ‘comma + and’.

PARALLEL LIST- II

This list is of some specific individuals about whom the researchers have found the above things:
1. Who have been blind from birth.
2. Who have never seen anyone gesture.

I think this one answers your first question. These are the two items in the list that are connected using ‘comma + and’.

COMPARISON

o Individuals make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do.

The two clauses ‘individuals make hand motions’ and ‘sighted people do’ are compared using ‘as…..as’.

Hope this helps!
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abid1986 wrote:
As fas as I know Comma + and has two usage : when there is an independent clause or when there are 2 or more item in the list.

Actually I thought that "more than 2 items" are required in a list, for he comma + and. Is this not true?

Is there an article that you can direct me towards.
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abid1986 wrote:
As fas as I know Comma + and has two usage : when there is an independent clause or when there are 2 or more item in the list.

Actually I thought that "more than 2 items" are required in a list, for he comma + and. Is this not true?

Is there an article that you can direct me towards.

Hi VerbalHow,

I haven’t encountered any article on the usage of ‘and’, but I think we can learn more from the official sentences than from articles, which by the way are not official.

We can look for two official examples, in which there are only two elements in a list and these elements are connected using a ‘comma + and’.

EXAMPLE I

• Researchers have found

o that individuals who have been blind from birth, and who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do,
o and that they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person.

Here, the two items of the list connected with a ‘comma + and’ are the two dependent clauses:

1. that individuals…..
2. that they will gesture…..

EXAMPLE II

• Researchers have found
• that individuals

o who have been blind from birth,
o and who thus have never seen anyone gesture,

• nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and that they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person.

Here, the two items of the list connected with a ‘comma + and’ are again two dependent clauses:

1. who have been blind from birth
2. who thus have never seen anyone gesture

Considering above two examples, we can say that ‘comma + and’ can be used to connect a list which has two or more items.

Hope this helps!
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What does 'they' refer to in the end? It could refer to researchers and individuals both logically and grammatically. Should have a pronoun reference error?
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What does 'they' refer to in the end? It could refer to researchers and individuals both logically and grammatically. Should have a pronoun reference error?

Hi gauravkaushik8591,

When a sentence has two parallel clauses and the subject of the second clause is a pronoun then this pronoun refers to the subject of the first clause.
Let us take a look at the sentence structure for this question:

• Researchers have found
o that individuals who have been blind from birth, and who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do,
o and that they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person.

Now, in the above sentence there are two parallel clauses starting with ‘that’, and the subject of the second clause is a pronoun. So, grammatically it refers to the subject of the first parallel clause i.e. individuals.

Also, logically ‘researchers’ cannot be the antecedent of the pronoun ‘they’. Let’s try to understand the meaning of the last clause of the sentence:
• They will gesture even when conversing with another blind person.

The phrase ‘another blind person’ indicates that the people who are gesturing are also blind. Now, who is blind- the researchers or the individuals?
As mentioned in the sentence, the individuals are blind, not the researchers. So, the logical antecedent to the pronoun ‘they’ is ‘individuals’.

Hope this helps!
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Researches have found
-- that individuals
who have been blind from birth
and
who thus have never seen anyone gesture
nevertheless make hand motions when speaking
just as frequently and in virtually the same way
as sighted people do
--and that they (individuals) will gesture even when conversing with another blind person

A) who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and that they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person. - Correct
B) who thus never saw anyone gesturing, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequent and in virtually the same way as sighted people did, and that they will gesture – Incorrect. Tense issue.
C) who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless made hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people, do, as well as gesturingIncorrect. Tense error.Parallelism error.
D) thus never having seen anyone gesture, nevertheless made hand motions when speaking just as frequent and in virtually the same way as sighted people did, as well as gesturingIncorrect. Tense error .Parallelism error.
E) thus never having seen anyone gesture, nevertheless to make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do, and to gestureIncorrect. Verb missing. Parallelism error.
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Two levels of parallelism can be immediately spotted:

Researchers have found

1) that individuals

1a) who have been blind from birth, and
1b) who thus have never seen anyone gesture, nevertheless make hand motions when speaking just as frequently and in virtually the same way as sighted people do,

and

2) that they will gesture even when conversing with another blind person

So, on a larger level, the parallelism is: Researchers have found that X...and that...Y (because these are the two broad findings of the researchers)

Within X, we have another level of parallelism: individuals who X1 and who X2 (because both of these are the characteristics of those individuals)

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