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I would like to ask you all for your thoughts on the decision I am currently facing, between Stanford MSx, MIT Sloan Fellows, and Cambridge Judge MBA. I’m American, male, 31, 740 GMAT, coming to the end of a 7 year social enterprise / non-profit project in China. I am using business school to help transition from my previous project into the next chapter of my career. I plan on being based in the UK for the long-term for family reasons, and I’m interested in the intersection of China, social impact, and technology. Potentially going into impact investment, micro-finance, clean meat, something along those lines, though I do not yet have a short-list or specific target for my post-MBA job (have the next 6 months to focus on answering this question). I have an entrepreneurial background but I’m not looking to jump back into entrepreneurship, at least not immediately.

I’m faced with a decision between 3 one-year programs: the Stanford MSx, MIT Sloan Fellows and Cambridge Judge MBA. I’ve received a ~60% scholarship offer from Judge, which is a less expensive program to begin with, so the difference in tuition between Judge and the others comes out to over $100,000.

I’ve read a number of other posts on the forum about these choices. Stanford GSB’s premium is rated highly across the board, but it seems that is diluted in the less elite MSx program. The MIT Sloan Fellows seems like less of a compromise over the Sloan 2-year MBA (versus GSB MSx vs GSB MBA), but Sloan isn’t quite GSB. And Judge is not rated as highly, but if I’m looking for a career in the UK specifically and have the opportunity to vastly diminish debt coming out of the program, it seems still worth considering. I’d be personally excited to attend all 3 programs.

The MSx and MIT SFMBA are both very much mid-career. I’m less “pausing a career to get a boost” in the style of an EMBA and more using an MBA as a transition from my previous chapter to my next. I also just barely make the experience cut-off for these programs. Does this make the mid-career programs less of a fit for me? I don’t know, but I don’t think so - overall I imagine being surrounded by a more experienced cohort would be a benefit versus a 4-5 year younger cohort of a traditional MBA.

A summary of pros and cons as I see them:

—Stanford MSx—
Pros
* GSB’s nearly unparalleled reputation, network, overall strength
* Strong tech, aligned with what I want to go into next
* One-year program lowers opportunity cost; full 12 month program
* Cohort will be mid-career, closer to me in phase of life
* Strong China connection

Cons
* I’ve heard some negative things about the MSx program which make me feel that the MSx is very much an “also-ran” or secondary program that is not really comparable to the GSB MBA in terms of access, resources, or prestige. Obviously it’s still GSB, but the idea of ‘twice the price for half the degree’ concerns me. Some of the negative coverage (I'm not allowed to post URLs):
* [Stanford MSx (Sloan Fellows) Experience – A Personal Perspective for a Prospective Applicant] (mystanfordmsxexperience dot wordpress dot com)
* [Stanford Misled MBAs On Financial Aid | Poets&Quants] (poetsandquants post "stanford-gsb-misled-students-on-financial-aid")
* Expensive
* Less selective in terms of admit rate, so cohort will perhaps not be as outstanding?
* My partner’s work is a fit for Boston or the UK but not CA. It’s only a year, but geographically Stanford’s location is actually a negative for me. I’m not looking to base myself in Silicon Valley either after MBA or longer term
* Currently don’t know about scholarships or financial aid, so making my decision assuming I don’t get any
* I can’t tell the value of the MSx versus MBA degree in general; MBA seems more 'straightforward', employers won't necessarily know how to value the MSx?

—MIT Sloan Fellows—
Pros
* 1 year program for an MBA from a prestigious institution
* Cohort will be experienced, older, more mature and further along in their careers. Potentially more helpful and more aligned with my phase in life
* Tech and innovation bona fides of MIT, maybe unparalleled outside of Stanford. Helpful for getting a job in tech.
* June to June, so several months longer than a standard European 1-year model.
* Strong recruiting opportunities, pedigree, reputation
* Strong China connection

Cons
* Expensive
* The school is known everywhere, but less of a network in the UK
* More of a research background, focus on hard tech, perhaps less emphasis on the social impact side of the ledger
* Currently don’t know about scholarships or financial aid, so making my decision assuming I don’t get any

—Cambridge Judge—
Pros
* Strong UK network, aligns with my future plans, geographical fit
* Scholarship, makes me feel good and wanted by the school, also much less debt. More chance to be a ‘star’ at the school, really leverage the resources and network.
* Less expensive
* “Silicon Fen” in Cambridge is also tech hub
* Bonus points for Cambridge campus, traditions, etc

Cons
* Not a top 10 school, so less strong in every respect
* Shorter program, only September to May
* Cohort will be younger, higher acceptance means less selective
* Program has less of a China footprint

I’m struggling to make a choice. All of these are R1, and my extended Cambridge deadline is right around the corner after the holidays, so I don’t believe I’ll have a full picture on potential financial aid from the other programs by that deadline. Any advice, thoughts or shared experiences would be welcome! :)
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Welcome to GMAT Club and congratulations on your admits and hard work! Also, thank you for sharing your research! A quick reply in before a work meeting, so sorry, I will be brief.

It is a bit tricky to answer the question not knowing the specifics of what you are planning to leverage an MBA for but I think you have provided enough details. There is definitely cost vs. Brand question and it boils down to this:
1. MSx and Sloan Fellows does not really do much on campus recruiting; you are expected to recruit on your own. I would say Judge would be the same way for your age/experience/background.
2. The types of interviews, positions, and opportunities you get with GSB and Sloan vs. Judge will be vastly different. Do you have big brands on your resume or something that will help you storm the recruiting process or something that will make you look great with a Judge MBA? If not, then I would recommend against Judge.
3. If you are planning to be an entrepreneur, work for a non profit, etc - area that will potentially restrict your income potential in exchange for other benefits, I would only then consider Judge which would be much cheaper though even then, I feel you would be much more successful if you went to school with a bunch of middle-aged execs than 26-year old wanna be's :)


P.S. I have known an alum from the GSB program who graduated a number of years ago back when it was Stanford Sloan program. He was extremely positive about it and quite proud of the program. I got an impression that it was a diverse program but a popular one with the local VC/Tech/Entrepreneurs who wanted to take a year off and blow off steam and up their game. I would definitely pick MSx if you were going into VC or Tech or Silicon Valley. I range of rank/reputation/difference between GSB MSx and MIT Sloan Program is definitely a lot smaller than anyone of these and Judge, so if you are not pursuing Silicon Valley/VC route, MIT is a strong option as well; good name recognition outside of the US. (I still need to read up about the latest updates to the MSx program; I know it's changed since I have sat down and talked to one of the alums)
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I know a few kids from MSx, it isn’t as impressive as it sounds, you’ll get a job at one of the startups in the valley... but anybody with a pulse gets a job at those startups there - and they’re paid very well too, with solid equity. (I had joined one such Silicon Valley startup too!)

MIT Sloan will definitely help you with the network, but recruiting is only as good as you’re with the limitations that it’s not a real MBA

Here Cambridge is a solid choice, honestly, all the companies going to LBS go to Cambridge, so you have a good shot at all of them.

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Curious what you mean by MIT helps with the network? How?

And... kids? What does that supposed to mean?

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bb BAHAHAHA
Let’s just say that I dated a girl from the MSx program

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Welcome to GMAT Club and congratulations on your admits and hard work! Also, thank you for sharing your research! A quick reply in before a work meeting, so sorry, I will be brief.

It is a bit tricky to answer the question not knowing the specifics of what you are planning to leverage an MBA for but I think you have provided enough details. There is definitely cost vs. Brand question and it boils down to this:
1. MSx and Sloan Fellows does not really do much on campus recruiting; you are expected to recruit on your own. I would say Judge would be the same way for your age/experience/background.
2. The types of interviews, positions, and opportunities you get with GSB and Sloan vs. Judge will be vastly different. Do you have big brands on your resume or something that will help you storm the recruiting process or something that will make you look great with a Judge MBA? If not, then I would recommend against Judge.
3. If you are planning to be an entrepreneur, work for a non profit, etc - area that will potentially restrict your income potential in exchange for other benefits, I would only then consider Judge which would be much cheaper though even then, I feel you would be much more successful if you went to school with a bunch of middle-aged execs than 26-year old wanna be's :)


P.S. I have known an alum from the GSB program who graduated a number of years ago back when it was Stanford Sloan program. He was extremely positive about it and quite proud of the program. I got an impression that it was a diverse program but a popular one with the local VC/Tech/Entrepreneurs who wanted to take a year off and blow off steam and up their game. I would definitely pick MSx if you were going into VC or Tech or Silicon Valley. I range of rank/reputation/difference between GSB MSx and MIT Sloan Program is definitely a lot smaller than anyone of these and Judge, so if you are not pursuing Silicon Valley/VC route, MIT is a strong option as well; good name recognition outside of the US. (I still need to read up about the latest updates to the MSx program; I know it's changed since I have sat down and talked to one of the alums)


Thanks for your thoughtful response bb! I agree it would be easier if I had a very specific goal, for now I only have about as much clarity as I put in my post there. My resume is not stacked with big brands, no, as I've been almost exclusively in the non-profit world and within that the majority of my experience comes from my own entrepreneurial activities. For what it's worth, I was named to the Forbes 30 Under 30 in 2018; I feel my background is probably enough for many employers to pause and consider me as a diverse, unique candidate, a non-traditional background that would merit a second look. But then I need to ground my entrepreneurial experiences in a concrete narrative, so an employer would know what I want / what I'm suitable for. That said, I'm not looking for a cookie-cutter post-MBA track, and would plan on finding my next opportunity via the network as opposed to your typical structured recruiting events, so that's not so great a concern.
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bb BAHAHAHA
Let’s just say that I dated a girl from the MSx program

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So you weren't impressed by the caliber of the MSx students?
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bb BAHAHAHA
Let’s just say that I dated a girl from the MSx program

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Oh. This makes more sense now. So she dumped you and now you’re giving MSX a bad rep? :lol:

FYI - What I hear consistently from Judge and Said and also IE grads is lack of on campus opportunities to recruit. A number of people going back to their home countries, industries, etc unable to score new/better jobs. Recruiters don’t have a ton of time to review each applicant and hear their back story. They will get applications from Stanford, Harvard, Insead, and likely MIT. Those guys will qualify for the top roles and offers if there is a match in experience and skill set. The Judge and Said folks may get offers for operations roles but will not get considered for the PPM or PM roles unless someone backs out later in the recruiting.

Talking about a program is one thing but reputation, selectivity, and rank is different when it comes to recruiting.
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JohnJohnJ wrote:
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Let’s just say that I dated a girl from the MSx program

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So you weren't impressed by the caliber of the MSx students?


I would talk with some of the current students and recent alumni to get a sense of what’s going on in the programs (all of them). You seem to be a person who does a lot of due diligence :-) so I’m expecting you’ll be talking to a number of folks. I don’t know if karroty still active. I think they graduated this year.
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In this case, I would also consider a fourth option - none of the above. What is the reason for the MBA? Is it to grow in a certain area? to take a breather and figure out your next steps? to ease the transition? I would keep the 4th option in the consideration potentially - what if you leverage your background and your network now? What is program X then giving you? (not challenging you but you owe it to yourself to make a well-rounded decision, esp if you end up taking one of the high price tag programs.)


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Thanks for your thoughtful response bb! I agree it would be easier if I had a very specific goal, for now I only have about as much clarity as I put in my post there. My resume is not stacked with big brands, no, as I've been almost exclusively in the non-profit world and within that the majority of my experience comes from my own entrepreneurial activities. For what it's worth, I was named to the Forbes 30 Under 30 in 2018; I feel my background is probably enough for many employers to pause and consider me as a diverse, unique candidate, a non-traditional background that would merit a second look. But then I need to ground my entrepreneurial experiences in a concrete narrative, so an employer would know what I want / what I'm suitable for. That said, I'm not looking for a cookie-cutter post-MBA track, and would plan on finding my next opportunity via the network as opposed to your typical structured recruiting events, so that's not so great a concern.

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Let’s just say that I dated a girl from the MSx program

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So you weren't impressed by the caliber of the MSx students?


Knowing her and her friends from the program, I think the MSx program definitely gets in some of the smartest kids (she was smart to date me!), but I feel that these programs function as MBAs for execs and not EMBAs, which leaves a sense of ambiguity in the minds of recruiters and adjuncts. She graduated not too long ago (don’t want to give a lot of information here) and she’s working for a startup in the Bay Area that’s doing AI stuff. That’s what three quarters of Bay Area is working on now (with the rest being homeless because of expensive housing).

Was that her first choice? No! Was that the best option... yes. Knowing her intelligence and her global work experience in Europe and Asia and South America, I think she could do better at any other school in a real MBA program.

But - She’s among the first few employees of the company and if they go IPO, I’ll regret not being with her.

So if you need additional insight, talk to people about jobs after those programs... use the power of the World Wide Web and LinkedIn and Google.

With EMBAs and MBAs there is a defined role for participants, professors, recruiters and adjuncts which MSx and Sloan fellow lack.
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