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The rare bird, considered extinct for over fifty years and actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes, has made a remarkable comeback over the past decade.

1 The rare bird, considered extinct for fifty years and actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes, has made a remarkable comeback over the past decade.
2 The rare bird, which had been considered extinct for over fifty years but it was actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes, has made a remarkable comeback over the past decade.
3 The rare bird, which was considered extinct for over fifty years and had actually been thriving in a remote part of the Andes, made a remarkable comeback over the past decade
4 The rare bird was considered extinct for over fifty years, but it was actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes, and, over the past decade, has made a remarkable comeback.
5 The rare bird was considered extinct for over fifty years, was actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes, and, over the past decade, has made an remarkable comeback.

How would you split this sentence into its clauses?


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but is the correct conjunction to be used here as we intent to express contrast. This leaves us with B and D. In B past perfect tense is used , however we don't intend to express any sequence in time. Notice that the non underlined part of the sentence use present perfect correctly as we want to establish a time line from the past to the present. Hence D wins. Also don't worry too much about comma placement in D as GMAT doesn't judge an answer on that basis.
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The rare bird, considered extinct for over fifty years and actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes, has made a remarkable comeback over the past decade.

1 The rare bird, considered extinct for fifty years and actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes, has made a remarkable comeback over the past decade.
2 The rare bird, which had been considered extinct for over fifty years but it was actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes, has made a remarkable comeback over the past decade.
3 The rare bird, which was considered extinct for over fifty years and had actually been thriving in a remote part of the Andes, made a remarkable comeback over the past decade
4 The rare bird was considered extinct for over fifty years, but it was actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes, and, over the past decade, has made a remarkable comeback.
5 The rare bird was considered extinct for over fifty years, was actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes, and, over the past decade, has made an remarkable comeback.

A conditional clause is required, hence choices not containing but can be removed, so ACE can be removed.
between B and D, D wins due to parallelism. In B "it" is not required.
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fozzzy wrote:

How would you split this sentence into its clauses?


I am gonna split the correct answer only:

The rare bird (subject)was considered extinct for over fifty years(first), was actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes(second), and[, over the past decade, MODIFIER] has made an remarkable comeback(third).

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The rare bird, considered extinct for over fifty years and actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes, has made a remarkable comeback over the past decade.
A. The rare bird, considered extinct for fifty years and actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes, has made a remarkable comeback over the past decade.
B. The rare bird, which had been considered extinct for over fifty years but it was actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes, has made a remarkable comeback over the past decade.
C. The rare bird, which was considered extinct for over fifty years and had actually been thriving in a remote part of the Andes, made a remarkable comeback over the past decade
D. The rare bird was considered extinct for over fifty years, but it was actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes, and, over the past decade, has made a remarkable comeback.
E. The rare bird was considered extinct for over fifty years, was actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes, and, over the past decade, has made a remarkable comeback.

The bird was considered extinct, but was still thriving somewhere. To show contrast, a contrasting conjunction is required; hence A and C are out.

E has a list of clauses joined by ',' and 'and'. The option does not highlight the contrast. The three clauses are not even parallel as is required because of the list structure. The bird: was considered, was thriving, has made - all three clauses need to start with 'was', but this will make the sentence nonsensical.

That leaves B and D. The conjunction 'but' requires the two clauses it joins to start with the same word.
B. The bird: which had been considered, but it was thriving. which.., but it was... - Incorrect
D. The bird: was considered extinct, it was thriving - was considered..., but it was thriving... - Correct

I think the 'it' after but, in both B and D, is unnecessary.
Experts, please correct me if I am wrong anywhere in the above explanation. Thanks!
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D it is: The rare bird was considered extinct for over fifty years, but it was actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes, and, over the past decade, has made a remarkable comeback.

faults in bold:
a)The rare bird, considered extinct for fifty years and actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes, has made a remarkable comeback over the past decade.
b)The rare bird, which had been considered extinct for over fifty years but it was actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes, has made a remarkable comeback over the past decade.
c)The rare bird, which was considered extinct for over fifty years and had actually been thriving in a remote part of the Andes, made a remarkable comeback over the past decade
d)The rare bird was considered extinct for over fifty years, but it was actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes, and, over the past decade, has made a remarkable comeback.---->correct
e)The rare bird was considered extinct for over fifty years, w ----->strange option !! it is not a complete sentence
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I think option B ("The rare bird, which had been considered extinct for over fifty years but it was actually ") can be eliminated
for the following reason -
we do not have an independent clause before 'but'.
if we use 'but' we should have this structure -- independent clause, BUT independent clause.

Please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks
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The bolded comma is not an isolated one but is a part of a pairas follows:

...and, over the last decade, has made a remarkable comeback.

Notice the second comma after the word decade.

Pair of commas are sometimes used to enclose the non essential modifiers in a sentence. Here we have a non essential prepositional modifier "over the last decade" enclosed inside a pair of commas.

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Whenever I am assured I have learnt something absolute in sentence correction, some gmat question creates ambiguity yet again.

As per my understanding, whenever we have a comma+conjunction form, it indicates the beginning of a new clause, meaning the noun/pronoun+verb form must exist.

In the correct answer choice, we find that after 'part of the Andes' comma+conjunction form is present, indicating that there should be clause following the conjunction. However we find no clause but rather "........., and, over the past decade, has made a remarkable comeback." Where is the subject/noun/pronoun ? For D to be correct, there must be no comma prior to 'and'.

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OreoShake, while I agree that the commas are overdone in D, it's also true that there are very few absolute rules in English grammar! Like it or not, sometimes writers--even GMAT writers!--will insert a comma that doesn't seem necessary. Remember that commas can serve to indicate a pause in speaking and are sometimes used to break up a sentence for greater clarity. Honestly, I was tempted to put a comma before "and are sometimes" in that last sentence, even though it's not the standard! (What do you think? Would it have made the sentence easier to read?) For a good example of a "stray" comma in an official question, see this post (including my comments): https://gmatclub.com/forum/covering-71- ... 06346.html
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OreoShake, while I agree that the commas are overdone in D, it's also true that there are very few absolute rules in English grammar! Like it or not, sometimes writers--even GMAT writers!--will insert a comma that doesn't seem necessary. Remember that commas can serve to indicate a pause in speaking and are sometimes used to break up a sentence for greater clarity. Honestly, I was tempted to put a comma before "and are sometimes" in that last sentence, even though it's not the standard! (What do you think? Would it have made the sentence easier to read?) For a good example of a "stray" comma in an official question, see this post (including my comments): https://gmatclub.com/forum/covering-71- ... 06346.html


While, I picked D cuz the meaning in (a) the better grammatical sentence was poor. I have a bit of an issue with putting a conjunction (and) changing the verb tense and having no subject before it.

Is this allowed in English? I always thought when you do parallelism you had to keep the same tense. So normally, in English when I change tense I would have put an "IT" before has made.

https://webapps.towson.edu/ows/shifts.htm


My corrected sentence would be:

The rare bird was considered extinct for over fifty years, but it was actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes, and, over the past decade, it has made a remarkable comeback.
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This question hinges on the trick: VERB tense isn't an ISSUE.

The real hidden issues are:

* (1) essential vs non-essential modifier. (If you don't know these, Google is your friend)
* (2) parallelism within (1), preferrably showing contrast

Here it is obvious that the modifier "considered extinct for over fifty years and actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes" is ESSENTIAL as to explain the "remarkable comeback". "Extinct for over fifty years" and "actually thriving in a remote part of Andes" are contrasting points. It's preferred here to use a contrasting conjunction such as "yet", but", "however", "despite x, y" and etc..

The rare bird, considered extinct for over fifty years and actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes, has made a remarkable comeback over the past decade.

1 The rare bird, considered extinct for over fifty years and actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes, has made a remarkable comeback over the past decade.
=> Essential Modifier
No preferred contrast => Eliminate
2 The rare bird, which had been considered extinct for over fifty years but it was actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes, has made a remarkable comeback over the past decade.
=> ", which" is an Non-Essential modifier => Eliminate
Shows contrast
3 The rare bird, which was considered extinct for over fifty years and had actually been thriving in a remote part of the Andes, made a remarkable comeback over the past decade
=> ", which" is an Non-Essential modifier => Eliminate
No preferred contrast => Eliminate
4 The rare bird was considered extinct for over fifty years, but it was actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes, and, over the past decade, has made a remarkable comeback.
Modifier went into the actual sentence, by definition ESSENTIAL
Shows contrast
5 The rare bird was considered extinct for over fifty years, was actually thriving in a remote part of the Andes, and, over the past decade, has made an remarkable comeback.
Modifier went into the actual sentence, by definition ESSENTIAL
No preferred contrast => Eliminate
Bonus Mistake: "remarkable comback" is a consequence of "actually thriving" thus those cannot be stated in equal priority - parallel.

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Could someone please explain why option c is wrong.
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Could someone please explain why option c is wrong.


C is a great example of the emphasis the GMAT places on meaning. From a purely grammatical perspective I don't think you can say that anything is wrong with it, but when you note the contrast between "was considered extinct" and "had actually been thriving in the Andes" those two things don't go together. So joining them with "and" doesn't produce a valid, logical meaning. You wouldn't just say "I've been eating healthier and gaining weight" - those two things seem to be very incompatible...the only reason to write that sentence is to demonstrate that the input (eating healthier) is NOT leading to the predicted output (losing weight, not gaining it). The purpose of this sentence is to show that contrast between "we thought it was extinct" and "but actually it was thriving...it was just living somewhere we hadn't looked."

So phrased this way - which was considered extinct for over fifty years and had actually been thriving in a remote part of the Andes - the sentence has a meaning error. Change that "and" to a "but" and it would work. But as it's written it has a meaning problem.

Check out this official problem that tests the need for contrast the same way:

https://gmatclub.com/forum/with-only-5-percent-of-the-world-s-population-united-states-citizens-80619.html
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We can eliminate E for "an remarkable comeback" as well right?

Also is the usage of Had in second option incorrect?
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Yes, “an remarkable” is certainly wrong (if it’s not just a typo).

As for “had been” in C, it’s not necessarily wrong. We thought that the bird was extinct when it had actually been hiding out, and now it is more widespread. C is not the best meaning-wise (as discussed above), but we can’t rule it out on this tense issue.

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Hello Brian, could you please explain what is wrong with the tense in answer choice B ? In the Official explanation it is just written that "the tense is somewhat illogical ".
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UNSTOPPABLE12 Unlike C, B fails the test for the usage of past perfect ("had been"). To use past perfect, we need another past event (in simple past tense) that follows the event we're describing. However, B uses the present perfect ("has made"), so we can't use past perfect. It needs to be "X had been happening until/before Y happened."

However, it's easier to cut B for parallelism reasons: "which HAD BEEN but IT WAS." That's the kind of error that you cut without looking back.
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