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Well E is correct.

Lets assume principal is P

P(1+x/100)(1-y/100) is the final price.

Now if we have x=1.2y

P(1+x/100)(1-x/120)
To find out if this will be <P

P(1+x/100)(1-x/120)<P

or (100+x)(120-x)<120*100
or 20x-x^2< 0

or x>20

So lets take Y = 30
X =42

So 100 becomes 142 and multiply 142 by 0.7 =99.4

So X=12, Y =10.. The final value is greater than P
but in X =42, Y=30.. the final value is less than P
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lastminutemba 1.2x/100 is not equal to x/120
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Great question, almost got tricked into selecting C, but then decided to continue solving and plugging in values to test.

My solution below (a bit too time-consuming for GMAT, but helps me with understanding).
Let P = original price.
New price = P(1+ x/100)(1- y/100) = P(1+ x/100 - y/100 -xy/1000)
Test if (1+ x/100 - y/100 -xy/1000) > 1
x-y- xy/100 > 0
100x - 100y - xy > 0 --- (1)

Statement (1) gives the same information as statement (2), which has more details.

Sub x = 1.2y into (1),
120y - 100y - (1.2y)*y > 0
20y - 1.2y^2 > 0
y (20 - 1.2y) > 0

Since y is a %, it has to be > 0
20 - 1.2y > 0
1.2y < 20
y < 20/1.2 = 16

The new price is only higher for y < 16
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Hi all / Bunuel

My two-cents' worth here, pardon my approach - I was looking at the problem by seeing the issue in a certain way under time pressure, not sure if this is right.

I do not intend to go the lazy route by any means - please feel free to give me your suggestions and feedback.

My reasoning:

The stem does not mention if P = price can only be a positive number. Suppose P is:
a) Positive
- Without calculating, we know we can have a certain combination of x, y such that the new price is either bigger or smaller than the original price.
- We know that this is definitely possible with some smart numbers plugged in (see Bunuel's example)

b) P=0
- If P=0, then new price will DEFINITELY not be higher than the original price (since new = old price = $0).

Knowing that P=0 potentially (not stated by stem specifically to be positive P), we know that we would always end up with the case of YES/NO and NO when P=0.

Hence, Answer = E.

PS: This is the only way I could solve under 90 secs .

We can potentially make an adjustment to the question stem to say that P = some positive number to be absolutely sure that we force the thinking in the way the various authors have expounded previously.
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Can someone provide an example where x=1.2y and the original value is higher than the new price


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Can someone provide an example where x=1.2y and the original value is higher than the new price


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Sure. Say p = 100, x = 60 and y = 50.

Then the new price = 100*1.6*0.5 = 80.
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I have edited the question and the solution by adding more details to enhance its clarity. I hope it is now easier to understand.
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I think this is a high-quality question and I agree with explanation.
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I like the solution - it’s helpful. Can you tell me a general rule to follow in such question, for some kind of clue or hint to identify the answer
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I like the solution - it’s helpful. Can you tell me a general rule to follow in such question, for some kind of clue or hint to identify the answer


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why am i wrong
1.
lets say P = 100
2% increase
1% increase

so the New Price = 100.98 which is more than 100.
even if 1.5% increase then 1% decrease, new price = 100.48

So new price >> Original Price
isnt it sufficient??

Bunuel karishma
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If a price was increased by \(x\%\) and then decreased by \(y\%\), where x and y are both non-zero, is the new price higher than the original?

Let \(P\) represent the original price.

(1) \(x > y\).

If \(x\) is significantly larger than \(y\), the new price is higher than the original. However, if \(x\) is only slightly larger, the new price is lower. For example, if \(x = 20\) and \(y = 19\), the new price is \(P*1.20*0.81 < P\).

(2) \(x = 1.2y\)

Similar reasoning applies here. If \(y\) is large, the new price is smaller (if \(y = 100\), the new price is 0). If \(y\) is small, the new price is higher than the original (if \(y = 10\), the new price is \(P*1.12*0.9 = P*1.008 > P\)).

(1)+(2) Combining Statement 1 with Statement 2 provides no additional information. For example, if \(P = 100\), \(x = 120\), and \(y = 100\), the new price becomes 0, which is lower than the original price of 100. However, if \(P = 100\), \(x = 12\), and \(y = 10\), the new price becomes \(100 * 1.12 * 0.9 = 100 * 1.008\), which is higher than the original price of 100. Therefore, the given information is not sufficient to determine whether the new price is higher or lower than the original price.


Answer: E
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why am i wrong
1.
lets say P = 100
2% increase
1% increase

so the New Price = 100.98 which is more than 100.
even if 1.5% increase then 1% decrease, new price = 100.48

So new price >> Original Price
isnt it sufficient??

Bunuel karishma
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If a price was increased by \(x\%\) and then decreased by \(y\%\), where x and y are both non-zero, is the new price higher than the original?

Let \(P\) represent the original price.

(1) \(x > y\).

If \(x\) is significantly larger than \(y\), the new price is higher than the original. However, if \(x\) is only slightly larger, the new price is lower. For example, if \(x = 20\) and \(y = 19\), the new price is \(P*1.20*0.81 < P\).

(2) \(x = 1.2y\)

Similar reasoning applies here. If \(y\) is large, the new price is smaller (if \(y = 100\), the new price is 0). If \(y\) is small, the new price is higher than the original (if \(y = 10\), the new price is \(P*1.12*0.9 = P*1.008 > P\)).

(1)+(2) Combining Statement 1 with Statement 2 provides no additional information. For example, if \(P = 100\), \(x = 120\), and \(y = 100\), the new price becomes 0, which is lower than the original price of 100. However, if \(P = 100\), \(x = 12\), and \(y = 10\), the new price becomes \(100 * 1.12 * 0.9 = 100 * 1.008\), which is higher than the original price of 100. Therefore, the given information is not sufficient to determine whether the new price is higher or lower than the original price.


Answer: E

Apart from the example in the solution, here is another example of Old Price > New Price.

Say p = 100, x = 60 and y = 50.

Then the new price = 100*1.6*0.5 = 80.
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