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When shown boards for just a few seconds from previous chess games, grandmaster chess players display an impressive ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board, but when shown a board with randomly placed pieces, the average person performs just as well as grandmasters at this task.

A. for just a few seconds from previous chess games, grandmaster chess players display an impressive ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board, but when shown a board with randomly placed pieces, the average person performs just as well as grandmasters at this task

B. for just a few seconds from previous chess games, grandmaster chess players display an impressive ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board, but when shown a board with randomly placed pieces, grandmasters perform just as well as the average person does at this task

C. from previous chess games for just a few seconds, grandmaster chess players display an ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board that is impressive, but when shown a board with randomly placed pieces, average people perform just as well as grandmasters do at this task

D. from previous chess games for just a few seconds, grandmaster chess players display an impressive ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board, but when they are shown boards with randomly placed pieces, grandmasters perform no better at this task than the average person

E. from previous chess games for just a few seconds, grandmaster chess players display an ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board that is impressive, but when they are shown boards with randomly placed pieces, grandmasters perform just as well at this task as does the average person
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When shown boards for just a few seconds from previous chess games, grandmaster chess players display an impressive ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board, but when shown a board with randomly placed pieces, the average person performs just as well as grandmasters at this task.

A. for just a few seconds from previous chess games, grandmaster chess players display an impressive ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board, but when shown a board with randomly placed pieces, the average person performs just as well as grandmasters at this task

B. for just a few seconds from previous chess games, grandmaster chess players display an impressive ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board, but when shown a board with randomly placed pieces, grandmasters perform just as well as the average person does at this task

C. from previous chess games for just a few seconds, grandmaster chess players display an ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board that is impressive, but when shown a board with randomly placed pieces, average people perform just as well as grandmasters do at this task

D. from previous chess games for just a few seconds, grandmaster chess players display an impressive ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board, but when they are shown boards with randomly placed pieces, grandmasters perform no better at this task than the average person

E. from previous chess games for just a few seconds, grandmaster chess players display an ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board that is impressive, but when they are shown boards with randomly placed pieces, grandmasters perform just as well at this task as does the average person

Presence of "BUT", that is a coordinating conjunction, check for parallelism errors.
The best suited answer choice is D.
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1. In D, the comparison is between how Grandmasters perform Vis-a-Vis how the average person performs. Don't we require another verb, preferably a synonym such as 'does' after the average person?

2. in the same choice, isn't the expansion 'when they were shown' wordy compared to ''when shown?'
Probably are they trivial?
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B changes the intended meaning. When we compare an expert player with an average player, what language would one use(in the given situation).... the one in B or that in D ?? Obviously D.

Moreover, even without "does", the meaning is clear. "Grandmasters perform no better than the average person..."..I don't think it is wrong.

Thus, I would go with D.

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When shown boards for just a few seconds from previous chess games, grandmaster chess players display an impressive ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board, but when shown a board with randomly placed pieces, the average person performs just as well as grandmasters at this task.

A. for just a few seconds from previous chess games, grandmaster chess players display an impressive ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board, but when shown a board with randomly placed pieces, the average person performs just as well as grandmasters at this task

B. for just a few seconds from previous chess games, grandmaster chess players display an impressive ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board, but when shown a board with randomly placed pieces, grandmasters perform just as well as the average person does at this task

C. from previous chess games for just a few seconds, grandmaster chess players display an ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board that is impressive, but when shown a board with randomly placed pieces, average people perform just as well as grandmasters do at this task

D. from previous chess games for just a few seconds, grandmaster chess players display an impressive ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board, but when they are shown boards with randomly placed pieces, grandmasters perform no better at this task than the average person

E. from previous chess games for just a few seconds, grandmaster chess players display an ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board that is impressive, but when they are shown boards with randomly placed pieces, grandmasters perform just as well at this task as does the average person

I think the reason for D to be correct is the meaning.

The emphasis has to be on the Grand-masters. The meaning should be when the Grand-masters are shown randomly placed pieces they are no better than the average person at this task.

But A is totally different at the end.

B is not good at all as it suggest that the average people perform much better otherwise.

C is incorrect as it places impressive in wrong position.

D correct

E repeats the error of C

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WOuld somebody pls clarify me out here ,

1. In option D what "They" refers to ? There are nouns such as "games" , "pieces" & "players". So doesn't usage of they out here create an ambiguity.

2. Also from parallelism prospective, B do maintain it better where phrase is followed by both instances of "When". In option B both of them are phrase modifier modifying "grandmasters", whereas in option D, it do have clause modifier in underlined part of sentence. SO doesn't option B sound more consistent from parallelism prospective.

3. Again as Daagh sir mentioned earlier in option D it looks to have "do" is missing, because we are performing verb comparison out here, so there should be do at the end.

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Can anyone tell what is wrong with choice A?

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The split here is,

When boards shown from previous chess games for just few seconds... sounds right. Boards modify previous chess games with no intruder of "just few seconds" in between as mentioned in Choice A & B
Among options C,D,E , C & E with " that is impressive" is wordy. Leaves D as right choice.
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When shown boards.....but...when shown board

Not parallel

A) and B) out

board that is impressive...

C) and E) out

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I believe B is wrong because of misplaced "for just a few seconds".

However in option "D", do we require "they"?? I am all confused now with the POE
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I believe B is wrong because of misplaced "for just a few seconds".

However in option "D", do we require "they"?? I am all confused now with the POE

D. from previous chess games for just a few seconds, grandmaster chess players display an impressive ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board, but when they are shown boards with randomly placed pieces, grandmasters perform no better at this task than the average person

"they" in D is fine. The sentence works with or without "they" in that spot. With "they" you get "when they are shown ...," a subordinate clause. Without "they" you get an adverb phrase, "when shown boards." Either structure works.

Perhaps the sentence would be better without "they," but there isn't really any ambiguity to the connection between "they" and its referent, "grandmasters," as chess pieces would not be "shown boards."
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What is the standard to omit words in the second part of a comparison? In Manhattan GMAT, it says that as long as there is no ambiguity, words can be omitted, but I'm not completely sure what the standard for ambiguity is here.. In some questions it is required to include words such as does and I am aware of when it is required but it's difficult when choosing whether words can be omitted or not.

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What is the standard to omit words in the second part of a comparison? In Manhattan GMAT, it says that as long as there is no ambiguity, words can be omitted, but I'm not completely sure what the standard for ambiguity is here.. In some questions it is required to include words such as does and I am aware of when it is required but it's difficult when choosing whether words can be omitted or not.

Good question! And it's difficult to come up with a super-clean rule for it.

Check out this post: https://gmatclub.com/forum/unlike-most- ... l#p2117367. It's on a different thread, but it should give you a sense of how to think about omitted words in comparisons. And we also did two videos on comparisons last year -- part 1 is here, part 2 is here.

I hope this helps!
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When shown boards for just a few seconds from previous chess games, grandmaster chess players display an impressive ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board, but when shown a board with randomly placed pieces, the average person performs just as well as grandmasters at this task.

A. for just a few seconds from previous chess games, grandmaster chess players display an impressive ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board, but when shown a board with randomly placed pieces, the average person performs just as well as grandmasters at this task

B. for just a few seconds from previous chess games, grandmaster chess players display an impressive ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board, but when shown a board with randomly placed pieces, grandmasters perform just as well as the average person does at this task

C. from previous chess games for just a few seconds, grandmaster chess players display an ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board that is impressive, but when shown a board with randomly placed pieces, average people perform just as well as grandmasters do at this task

D. from previous chess games for just a few seconds, grandmaster chess players display an impressive ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board, but when they are shown boards with randomly placed pieces, grandmasters perform no better at this task than the average person

E. from previous chess games for just a few seconds, grandmaster chess players display an ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board that is impressive, but when they are shown boards with randomly placed pieces, grandmasters perform just as well at this task as does the average person

I feel between B & D, there is a subtle meaning difference.

In B, its written as "just as well as" and in D its written as "no better". "no better" conveys better meaning when comparing the ability of Grandmasters & average person.
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hongg7 wrote:
What is the standard to omit words in the second part of a comparison? In Manhattan GMAT, it says that as long as there is no ambiguity, words can be omitted, but I'm not completely sure what the standard for ambiguity is here.. In some questions it is required to include words such as does and I am aware of when it is required but it's difficult when choosing whether words can be omitted or not.

Good question! And it's difficult to come up with a super-clean rule for it.

Check out this post: https://gmatclub.com/forum/unlike-most- ... l#p2117367. It's on a different thread, but it should give you a sense of how to think about omitted words in comparisons. And we also did two videos on comparisons last year -- part 1 is here, part 2 is here.

I hope this helps!

Thank you!! I will definitely have a look.
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When shown boards for just a few seconds from previous chess games, grandmaster chess players display an impressive ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board, but when shown a board with randomly placed pieces, the average person performs just as well as grandmasters at this task.

A. for just a few seconds from previous chess games, grandmaster chess players display an impressive ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board, but when shown a board with randomly placed pieces, the average person performs just as well as grandmasters at this task

B. for just a few seconds from previous chess games, grandmaster chess players display an impressive ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board, but when shown a board with randomly placed pieces, grandmasters perform just as well as the average person does at this task

C. from previous chess games for just a few seconds, grandmaster chess players display an ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board that is impressive, but when shown a board with randomly placed pieces, average people perform just as well as grandmasters do at this task

D. from previous chess games for just a few seconds, grandmaster chess players display an impressive ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board, but when they are shown boards with randomly placed pieces, grandmasters perform no better at this task than the average person

E. from previous chess games for just a few seconds, grandmaster chess players display an ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board that is impressive, but when they are shown boards with randomly placed pieces, grandmasters perform just as well at this task as does the average person

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(1) Take a First Glance (5 seconds)

The for just a few seconds vs. from previous board games split indicates that this question is testing Modifiers.

(2) Read for Meaning

The sentence discusses two contrasting facts: (1) grandmasters can expertly recall layouts of previous chess games and (2) grandmasters are only average at remembering a board with randomly placed pieces. The modifier for just a few seconds describes how long the grandmasters are shown boards, but not just any boards. It is essential to specify that the boards are from previous games, so this modifier should come first. The modifier for just a few seconds cannot describe the entire boards … from previous games if placed in the middle of that whole phrase. In addition, the structure when shown boards … , grandmaster chess players display … , but when shown a board … , the average person performs … creates a contrast that is not Parallel. The subject of the second part should also be grandmasters. Eliminate answer choice (A) and any other choices that make any of these mistakes.

(3) Find a Starting Point

Start with any difference that seems easiest to you, then move to the next easiest issue, and so on. Stop when you have one answer or you aren’t sure how to address the remaining differences. All errors for each choice are detailed in the next section.

(4) Eliminate (and Repeat)

(A) The modifier for just a few seconds describes how long the grandmasters are shown boards … from previous games, so it ought to be placed after from previous games rather than in the middle of the phrase it is describing. In addition, the structure when shown boards … , grandmaster chess players display … , but when shown a board … , the average person performs … creates a contrast that is not parallel. The subject of the second part should also be grandmasters.

(B) The modifier for just a few seconds describes how long the grandmasters are shown boards … from previous games, so it ought to be placed after from previous games rather than in the middle of the phrase it is describing.

(C) The modifier that is impressive should be placed closer to what it is describing: the grandmaster’s ability. As written, it’s unclear whether the ability, the position, or the board is impressive. In addition, the structure when shown boards … , grandmaster chess players display … , but when shown a board … , average people perform … creates a contrast that is not parallel. The subject of the second part should also be grandmasters.

(D) CORRECT. The modifier for just a few seconds is properly placed to describe boards from previous chess games. The structure when shown boards … , grandmaster chess players display … , but when they are shown boards … , grandmasters perform is parallel and clearly conveys the meaning of the intended contrast.

(E) The modifier that is impressive should be placed closer to what it is describing: the grandmaster’s ability. As written, it’s unclear whether the ability, the position, or the board is impressive.
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D. from previous chess games for just a few seconds, grandmaster chess players display an impressive ability to recall the exact position of all of the pieces on the board, but when they are shown boards with randomly placed pieces, grandmasters perform no better at this task than the average person

"they" in D is fine. The sentence works with or without "they" in that spot. With "they" you get "when they are shown ...," a subordinate clause. Without "they" you get an adverb phrase, "when shown boards." Either structure works.

Perhaps the sentence would be better without "they," but there isn't really any ambiguity to the connection between "they" and its referent, "grandmasters," as chess pieces would not be "shown boards."

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Could we please elaborate on (1) "When shown boards..." vs (2) "When they are shown boards..."?

I thought that Subordinating Conjunctions must always follow this structure: Subordinating Conjunction + Subject + Conjugated Verb. (2) "When they are shown boards...

Does (1) comes from omitting "they are" from the same structure? "When (they are) shown boards..." = "When shown boards...". I thought that you could only omit subject + verb when the sentence is followed by and adjective. Although (he is) frustrated, we played the whole match.

Could you please give me any other examples similar constructions (i.e. (1) "When shown boards...") from the OG?

Thanks a lot!
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