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anilkumar1510 wrote:
IMO choice E does not have an independent clause. Not able to understand the construction.

That .... as well as .....

This is a dependent clause. Am i missing something here ?

Hi anilkumar1510, actually this is a case where a clause is acting as the subject of the sentence. The subject (clause) is:

That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church

The one important thing to note vis-a-vis this structure is that in such cases, the subject is always considered singular (and hence, the main verb of this sentence is singular is).

The structure of this sentence is:

<Subject clause> is indicated by X as well as by Y.

Where:

X: its eastward orientation and overall plan

Y: the artifacts, such as glass-oil lamp fragments, found at the site

Another similar official example:

That some fraternal twins resemble each other greatly while others look quite dissimilar highlights an interesting and often overlooked feature of fraternal-twin pairs, namely that they vary considerably on a spectrum of genetic relatedness.

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But what noun does it refer to?
The only noun in the sentence is "That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church".
This cant be the antecedent in the sentence.

Could you kindly explain this to me.
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EducationAisle wrote:
anilkumar1510 wrote:
IMO choice E does not have an independent clause. Not able to understand the construction.

That .... as well as .....

This is a dependent clause. Am i missing something here ?

Hi anilkumar1510, actually this is a case where a clause is acting as the subject of the sentence. The subject (clause) is:

That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church

The one important thing to note vis-a-vis this structure is that in such cases, the subject is always considered singular (and hence, the main verb of this sentence is singular is).

The structure of this sentence is:

<Subject clause> is indicated by X as well as by Y.

Where:

X: its eastward orientation and overall plan

Y: the artifacts, such as glass-oil lamp fragments, found at the site

Another similar official example:

That some fraternal twins resemble each other greatly while others look quite dissimilar highlights an interesting and often overlooked feature of fraternal-twin pairs, namely that they vary considerably on a spectrum of genetic relatedness.

p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses Noun Clause, its application and examples. If someone is interested, PM me your email-id; I can mail the corresponding section



But what noun does it refer to?
The only noun in the sentence is "That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church".
This cant be the antecedent in the sentence.

Could you kindly explain this to me.
thanks


I am not sure whether you have doubt about the pronoun "it" or the pronoun "that"? "It" has no issues, since it clearly refers to "a ruined structure". ("That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church" is not a noun, but a subordinate clause.)

If your query is about the pronoun "that", then following is the explanation:

"That" does not necessarily refer to a noun - it may as well be used to introduce a clause. Compare with the following:

I know that I cannot solve difficult problems.

Here "that" introduces the clause "I cannot solve difficult problems". (The "that"-clause is the object of the verb "know")

Similarly in option E, "that" introduces the clause "a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church". This "that"-clause is the subject of the verb "is indicated".
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That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church" is indicated by its eastward orientation and overall plan," is a substantive phrase acting as the noun for the entire clause with ' is indicated' as the verb. More about such structures in the following links.
1. https://www.merriam- webster.com/dictionary/substantive
2. http://www.english-for-students.com/sub ... auses.html
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That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church" is indicated by its eastward orientation and overall plan," is a substantive phrase acting as the noun for the entire clause with ' is indicated' as the verb. More about such structures in the following links.
1. https://www.merriam- webster.com/dictionary/substantive
2. http://www.english-for-students.com/sub ... auses.html


Dear daagh Sir, you meant "substantial clause", not "substantial phrase", isn't it? "That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church" is a clause.
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Yes, it is, in fact, a subordinate clause because you see that there is a verb 'was' in that clause a. All the same, a clause also can be a part of the substantive that acts as an individual noun in such structure.
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anilkumar1510 wrote:
IMO choice E does not have an independent clause. Not able to understand the construction.

That .... as well as .....

This is a dependent clause. Am i missing something here ?

Hi anilkumar1510, actually this is a case where a clause is acting as the subject of the sentence. The subject (clause) is:

That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church

The one important thing to note vis-a-vis this structure is that in such cases, the subject is always considered singular (and hence, the main verb of this sentence is singular is).

The structure of this sentence is:

<Subject clause> is indicated by X as well as by Y.

Where:

X: its eastward orientation and overall plan

Y: the artifacts, such as glass-oil lamp fragments, found at the site

Another similar official example:

That some fraternal twins resemble each other greatly while others look quite dissimilar highlights an interesting and often overlooked feature of fraternal-twin pairs, namely that they vary considerably on a spectrum of genetic relatedness.

p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses Noun Clause, its application and examples. If someone is interested, PM me your email-id; I can mail the corresponding section


Hi EducationAisle,
In OA E, how can the article- 'the' and such as go together.
Example- I love places, such as Denmark and Nepal.
I love the places, such as Denmark and Nepal.--> This is wrong. We cant use the with such as

In OA E- That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church is indicated by its eastward orientation and overall plan, as well as by the artifacts, such as glass-oil lamp fragments.My questions i how come the artifacts go in line with such as?
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Hi EducationAisle,
In OA E, how can the article- 'the' and such as go together.
Example- I love places, such as Denmark and Nepal.
I love the places, such as Denmark and Nepal.--> This is wrong. We cant use the with such as

In OA E- That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church is indicated by its eastward orientation and overall plan, as well as by the artifacts, such as glass-oil lamp fragments.My questions i how come the artifacts go in line with such as?

Hi sunny91, the sentence under consideration isn't the same as:

I love the places, such as Denmark and Nepal.

It is similar to:

I love the mountainous places, such as Denmark and Nepal, that offer a serene environment.

Basically the difference here is the presence of a comma before such as and a subsequent modifier, making the entire such as... phrase non-essential. So, the core of the sentence would be:

I love the mountainous places that offer a serene environment.

Am sure you would be fine with the above sentence using a the.

Having said that, GMAT doesn't really test you on articles, so an article would not be something I would focus on, to eliminate/choose an option.
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Hi EducationAisle,
In OA E, how can the article- 'the' and such as go together.
Example- I love places, such as Denmark and Nepal.
I love the places, such as Denmark and Nepal.--> This is wrong. We cant use the with such as

In OA E- That a ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, was probably a church is indicated by its eastward orientation and overall plan, as well as by the artifacts, such as glass-oil lamp fragments.My questions i how come the artifacts go in line with such as?

Hi sunny91, the sentence under consideration isn't the same as:

I love the places, such as Denmark and Nepal.

It is similar to:

I love the mountainous places, such as Denmark and Nepal, that offer a serene environment.

Basically the difference here is the presence of a comma before such as and a subsequent modifier, making the entire such as... phrase non-essential. So, the core of the sentence would be:

I love the mountainous places that offer a serene environment.

Am sure you would be fine with the above sentence using a the.

Having said that, GMAT doesn't really test you on articles, so an article would not be something I would focus on, to eliminate/choose an option.


Hi EducationAisle,
Thanks for the quick reply.
I guess the following sentence is correct where there is no comma and 'the' article.
I love mountainous places such as Denmark and Nepal-->Right

I guess the following sentence is incorrect without the use of comma and with 'the' article.
I love the mountainous places such as Denmark and Nepal-->Wrong

Please clarify if my understanding is correct
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Hi EducationAisle,
Thanks for the quick reply.
I guess the following sentence is correct where there is no comma and 'the' article.
I love mountainous places such as Denmark and Nepal-->Right

I guess the following sentence is incorrect without the use of comma and with 'the' article.
I love the mountainous places such as Denmark and Nepal-->Wrong

Please clarify if my understanding is correct

That's right.

But would like to reiterate what I had mentioned in my last post: GMAT doesn't really test you on articles, so an article would not be something I would focus on, to eliminate/choose an option :-) .
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(B) A ruined structure found at Aqaba, Jordan, once probably being a church, was indicated by its eastward orientation, overall plan, and

(B) is wrong because it seems like it is saying the ruined structure no longer is indicated by the orientation and plan and artifacts.
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I am wondering whether it is right to say
by A and B as well as by C

why not :
by A and by B as well as by C
OR
by A and B as well as C
(either say by for all items , or for only the first )
please explain the rule of preposition & parallelism
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I am wondering whether it is right to say
by A and B as well as by C

why not :
by A and by B as well as by C
OR
by A and B as well as C
(either say by for all items , or for only the first )
please explain the rule of preposition & parallelism


To understand any parallelism, you have to understand the structure.

by A and by B as well as by C = List [A and B], modifier [as well as C] - you got 2 different elements
To make it \\ you have to have 'by' in each element.

by A and by B as well as by C - correct (each has it's own 'by')
by A and B as well as by C - correct ('by' stands in the beginning of the list and works for both A and B, but in modifier you have to repeat 'by')
by A and B as well as by C and D - correct

_A and by B as well as by C - incorrect
by A and by B as well as _C - incorrect
by A and B as well as _C - incorrect
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Hi GmatNinja,
option E , can you please help me to find the correct stem.
[Jordan, was probably a church is indicated by its] followed by "eastward orientation and overall plan, as well as by the"
or
the stem
[Jordan, was probably a church is indicated] followed by "by its eastward orientation and by its overall plan" whats incorrect in this construction ? and if this construction is correct then shouldn't choice E be incorrect ?

I understand among all the choices option E is probably the best.
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