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Re: According to some analysts, the gains in the stock market reflect grow [#permalink]
AjiteshArun wrote:
akash7gupta11 wrote:
instead come in for a 'soft landing'
This might be a very silly question what is the subject of -instead come in for a 'soft landing'- in the above sentence.
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There's no such thing as a silly question. :)

The subject of instead come is the economy. Just watch out for the will in front of avoid though.

... the economy will (a) avoid the recession that many had feared earlier in the year and (b) instead come in for a 'soft landing'...

If we didn't have a will there:

... the economy (a) avoids the recession and (b) comes in for a 'soft landing'...

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The correct choice A is again:
According to some analysts, the gains in the stock market reflect growing confidence that the economy will avoid the recession that many had feared earlier in the year and instead come in for a 'soft landing', followed by a gradual increase in the business activity.

The 2nd that is the essential modifier of 'recession'. What if someone think (apart from meaning issue) that 'come' and 'fear(d)' are parallel each other because they're connected with 'and'?
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TheUltimateWinner wrote:
AjiteshArun
The correct choice A is again:
According to some analysts, the gains in the stock market reflect growing confidence that the economy will avoid the recession that many had feared earlier in the year and instead come in for a 'soft landing', followed by a gradual increase in the business activity.

The 2nd that is the essential modifier of 'recession'. What if someone think (apart from meaning issue) that 'come' and 'fear(d)' are parallel each other because they're connected with 'and'?

Hi TheUltimateWinner,

It's really hard to read the sentence that way, because "many... had come in for a soft landing" doesn't seem to make any sense in this context.

More generally, you will face similar issues in many, many questions. The only thing we can do in such situations is read the question carefully.

AjiteshArun
Do you suggest that it is important to have a comma after the word 'year' to make the sentence more readable?

According to some analysts, the gains in the stock market reflect growing confidence that the economy will avoid the recession that many had feared earlier in the year, and instead come in for a 'soft landing', followed by a gradual increase in the business activity.
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In option A, "AND instead come" what is parallel to what ?
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In option A, "AND instead come" what is parallel to what ?

Hi Akshay, come is parallel to avoid.

...the economy will avoid...and instead come....



Instead doesnt break the parallelism?
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akshaybadami wrote:
In option A, "AND instead come" what is parallel to what ?

Hi Akshay, come is parallel to avoid.

...the economy will avoid...and instead come....


Hey guys,

can I assume in this one that the "will" in "will avoid" carries over to "come" making it an implicit "will come"?

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So "According to some analysts" is to be interpreted as "Some analysts said" ? Why can't it be interpreted as "Some analysts say" , or does this question just indicate that GMAC is okay with having past perfect in combination with simple present? None of the explanations clarified that. So in any other questions that starts with "According to...." , do we presume it indicates past tense?


Dear Vishalcv
"According to some analysts" is a prepositional phrase that modifies nouns/verbs, in our case "the gains". It is not the working verb/present simple and hence cannot be considered as an addition to the sequence of tenses.

Take a look another instance,
According to U.S. agricultural statistics, the rate of honeybee colony collapse has slowed over the last several years...
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(A) that the economy will avoid the recession that many had feared earlier in the year and instead come


and instead is OK? is "and" not redundant?

There's a fine line between adding words/adverbs for clarity/emphasis and repeating the same clarification/emphasis in multiple ways.

Here are a couple examples of redundancy from incorrect choices on official questions:

  • "Elizabeth Barber... is an expert authority..." - As explained in this post, "expert" and "authority" describe the same characteristic, so they are redundant.
  • "... investors still continued to pour money..." - As explained here, the verb "to continue", by definition, implies that the action is still happening. So including the word "still" in this case is redundant.

And here are a couple examples from OA's that correctly use additional words/adverbs for clarity/emphasis:

  • "... men and women who had previously been considered incapable of discerning truth for themselves." - Yes, the verb tense implies that the action happened in the past. But the word "previously" emphasizes and clarifies the timing. For more on that, check out this post.
  • "... they denounce the big government... while at the same time supporting..." - The phrase "at the same time" actually helps clarify the meaning of "while," which, as explained here, can mean "simultaneously" or "although".

Back to this question... the word "instead" helps clarify that the economy is NOT expected to enter a period of recession: the economy is expected to come in for a soft landing INSTEAD OF entering the recession that many had feared. Is the word "instead" strictly necessary? No... we can probably figure out the intended meaning without it. However, the word "instead" clarifies/emphasizes that the action of "coming in for a soft landing" is an alternative to entering a recession--it helps highlight the distinction between these two scenarios.

On the other hand, something like this would be redundant:

    "The economy is not expected to fall into a recession; rather, the economy is expected to come in for a soft landing instead." - Using one of the two underlined words for clarity/emphasis would be okay. But, since they express the exact same idea, using both would be considered redundant.

Now, are there any black and white rules for deciding whether something is redundant? No, unfortunately. As always, you want to prioritize concrete, irrefutable errors and THEN compare the remaining options in terms of logic and clarity. If a word expresses the same exact thing as something else in the sentence, then it's probably redundant.

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(B) in the economy to avoid the recession, what many feared earlier in the year, rather to come

Why is it said that to avoid is not parallel with to come

The infinitives "to avoid" and "to come" certainly CAN be parallel. However, in choice (B), we are missing a parallelism marker (such as "and") altogether! We would need something like this to make it work:

    "The economy is expected to avoid the recession and, rather, to come in for a soft landing." - The "and" properly links the two infinitives.

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only reason i rejected a was because of use of past perfect tense, i was not able to find other event occurring in past to justify the use of past perfect .

Kanika3agg wrote:
Thank you for posting the explanation. Could you please explain the part on why "that was feared earlier" wrong in E?

Try reviewing this post, if you haven't already.

We have several past actions (some of which are implied): 1) many people feared a recession, 2) there were gains in the stock market, 3) the analysts made some statements about what those gains reflect.

The use of the past perfect ("the recession that many had feared earlier in the year") helps clarify that the people feared a recession BEFORE the gains occurred (and before the analysts made their statements).

Does that make the simple past wrong in choice (E)? That's debatable. But the past perfect makes the intended meaning more clear.

Phew... I hope some of that helps!


What is wring with (D) in particular?
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According to some analysts, the gains in the stock market reflect growing confidence that the economy will avoid the recession that many had feared earlier in the year and instead come in for a 'soft landing', followed by a gradual increase in the business activity.

(A) that the economy will avoid the recession that many had feared earlier in the year and instead come

(B) in the economy to avoid the recession, what many feared earlier in the year, rather to come

(C) in the economy's ability to avoid the recession, something earlier in the year many had feared , and instead to come

(D) in the economy to avoid the recession many were fearing earlier in the year, and rather to come

(E) that the economy will avoid the recession that was feared earlier this year by many, with it instead coming


Hi VeritasKarishma AjiteshArun

Please explain what is wrong in choice D
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Hello ElijahTimroyalty,

Thank you for the PM on this question.

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in the question above, about C choice colored parts
I think they are wrong becoz two consecutive modifiers are modifying something, am I right?
pls kindly reply when you see this PM
also can I ask for one more favor, can you detail on the mistake that two consecutive modifiers modifies the same thing? I was some times so confused.
Thanks


So, your question pertains to Choice C. Yes, you have correctly identified that there are two consecutive modifiers in this choice. But is this a good reason to reject this or any answer choice? I will say No. It is not uncommon to see modifiers appearing one after the other in a long, complex sentence. What really matters in such structures is that every modifier must present logical meaning with absolutely no ambiguity at all. As long as this criterion is met, the usage of consecutive modifiers is not at all an issue.

In Choice C, the modifiers unambiguously modify the entities they are meant to. The modifier "in the economy's ability" clearly modifies the action "reflect growing confidence". Similarly, the modifier "something earlier in the year..." unambiguously modifies "the recession". When we read this choice, we do not get confused about what these modifiers are talking about. Therefore, their usage one after the other is fine.

This choice is incorrect because it changes the intended meaning of the sentence as explained in the detailed solution presented by e-GMAT.


Hope this helps. :-)
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Hi EGMAT,

According to some analysts, the gains in the stock market reflect growing confidence that the economy will avoid the recession that many had feared earlier in the year and instead come in for a 'soft landing', followed by a gradual increase in the business activity.

(A) that the economy will avoid the recession that many had feared earlier in the year and instead come
(B) in the economy to avoid the recession, what many feared earlier in the year, rather to come
(C) in the economy's ability to avoid the recession, something earlier in the year many had feared , and instead to come
(D) in the economy to avoid the recession many were fearing earlier in the year, and rather to come
(E) that the economy will avoid the recession that was feared eariler this year by many, with it instead coming

Here correct answer is A. But why we are using past perfect tense. here we are talking about three time periods :past (fear of recession), present (time when the sentence was spoken), and future (will avoid recession). Can't we show past by simple past instead of past perfect? I am unable to get this as there cannot be the case of if.. then.. condition.
Also why choice C is wrong? Is it due to parallelism issue?


Hi karanthakurani,

Yes, the usage of past perfect tense is a bit tricky here. We need to understand the structure and the meaning of this sentence.

"According to some analysts" is equal to saying "Analysts said". This is just implied in the sentence. This is the past tense event for the analysts.

Also "earlier this year" makes it clear that the analysts "feared" before they stated their opinion. So the usage of past perfect tense is correct here.

In the presence of words that establish time sequencing, such "earlier in the year", use of past perfect tense is optional and not incorrect. You may or may not choose to use past perfect tense in the presence of such words.

This is the reason why Choice A is correct here.

In Choice C, placement of “earlier in the year” is not correct. It suggests that recession was earlier in the year and not many had feared it earlier in the year. Also, use of “instead to” is not idiomatic.

Hope this helps :)

Regards,
Krishna


Hi egmat ,

As per my understanding, we cannot use past perfect tense with just one past event, in that case we use simple past.
So does above explanation mean
"had feared" : is the first action/verb
"Analysts said" : is the second action/verb

Can you please elaborate this.
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Hi GMATNinja,
Could you please analyze each option?
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" The economy will avoid " Isn't this a bit illogical ? How can an economy itself perform the activity of avoiding something ?
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Namangupta1997 wrote:
" The economy will avoid " Isn't this a bit illogical ? How can an economy itself perform the activity of avoiding something ?

Hi Namangupta1997,

Good point, but such usage is acceptable. As far as I know, there are no rules that can guide us here, so such calls need to be taken on a case-by-case basis.

We can also try to prioritise other splits.


AjiteshArun

On this forum, I've seen some explanations of some answer choices that were discarded because they had an inanimate thing or an abstract noun perform an action. But as you said, there are no concrete rules in this area. Eliminating the obvious might be our only arrow in the quiver.
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Dear Experts,

As per my understanding, in the sentence "According to some analysts, the gains in the stock market reflect growing confidence that the economy will avoid the recession that many had feared earlier in the year and ...", the highlighted portion depicts a past perfect tense, and there no related event from the more recent past. Since it's an official question, I'm sure that there's some gap in my understanding that I'm unable to close. Request you to please help me understand what am I missing.

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According to some analysts, the gains in the stock market reflect growing confidence that the economy will avoid the recession that many had feared earlier in the year and instead come in for a 'soft landing', followed by a gradual increase in the business activity.

(A) that the economy will avoid the recession that many had feared earlier in the year and instead come

(B) in the economy to avoid the recession, what many feared earlier in the year, rather to come

(C) in the economy's ability to avoid the recession, something earlier in the year many had feared , and instead to come

(D) in the economy to avoid the recession many were fearing earlier in the year, and rather to come

(E) that the economy will avoid the recession that was feared earlier this year by many, with it instead coming


A I don't see any errors, and it's pretty direct

B "rather to come" is incorrect because of parallelism

C Similar issue as B "instead to come" is incorrect because of parallelism

D "and rather to come" is incorrect because of parallelism

E Generally awkward sentence with this phrasing
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According to some analysts, the gains in the stock market reflect growing confidence that the economy will avoid the recession that many had feared earlier in the year and instead come in for a 'soft landing', followed by a gradual increase in the business activity.

Start with "confidence that" vs. "confidence in...to." The latter shows intention. Gains in the stock market reflect confidence to avoid the recession? ILLOGICAL! Eliminate (B), (C) and (D). (A) is our clear winner without any errors. (E) uses "by many" but many who? "it" refers to what?

(A) that the economy will avoid the recession that many had feared earlier in the year and instead come

(B) in the economy to avoid the recession, what many feared earlier in the year, rather to come

(C) in the economy's ability to avoid the recession, something earlier in the year many had feared , and instead to come

(D) in the economy to avoid the recession many were fearing earlier in the year, and rather to come

(E) that the economy will avoid the recession that was feared earlier this year by many, with it instead coming

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/08/25/business/stock-averages-reach-new-highs-dow-up-56-erases-87-mark.html

The gains reflect growing confidence that the economy will avoid the recession many had feared earlier in the year and instead come in for a ''soft landing,'' followed by a gradual increase in business activity.
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According to some analysts, the gains in the stock market reflect growing confidence that the economy will avoid the recession that many had feared earlier in the year and instead come in for a 'soft landing', followed by a gradual increase in the business activity.

(A) that the economy will avoid the recession that many had feared earlier in the year and instead come

(B) in the economy to avoid the recession, what many feared earlier in the year, rather to come

(C) in the economy's ability to avoid the recession, something earlier in the year many had feared , and instead to come

(D) in the economy to avoid the recession many were fearing earlier in the year, and rather to come

(E) that the economy will avoid the recession that was feared earlier this year by many, with it instead coming

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/08/25/business/stock-averages-reach-new-highs-dow-up-56-erases-87-mark.html

The gains reflect growing confidence that the economy will avoid the recession many had feared earlier in the year and instead come in for a ''soft landing,'' followed by a gradual increase in business activity.


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I got this correct because E was awkward in the end.

However, can you please help with with why past perfect was used in option A. Which event in the past does it preceed?

ExpertsGlobal

Editing post as ExpertsGlobal hasn't replied.

Can any other experts please chime in on the double use of past perfect.

Originally posted by Varane on 14 Jun 2022, 08:06.
Last edited by Varane on 16 Jun 2022, 19:17, edited 1 time in total.
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