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Friends who received an admit in R1, did any of you receive an admit without being interview???

Please reply. This will help in settling the ongoing debate...

I was admitted in round 1. I asked adcom and several students. I’m telling you. You don’t get in without an interview.


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I am not sure if some of the confusion might stem from posts earlier in the round on this forum. There seemed to be a number of posts from people almost "celebrating" getting an interview waiver. Or at least there were exclamation marks and a few other things that indicated they maybe thought it was a positive thing. There were a number in a row that I thought felt odd since it doesn't mean you're out of the running but it doesn't mean you are just skipping the interview. I know current/past applicants were working hard to be clear that a waiver didn't mean you were rejected, to not let it get you down necessarily, and it just meant the admissions committee would be able to view your file and later invite you to a phone/Skype interview if they wanted, but some of the waiver posters might have misunderstood and maybe the celebration/extra positive spin on waivers by them caused some confusion for others a few weeks ago.

To the question about acceptances- accepted Round 1 with interview. Echo what people have already shared. Haven't met or ever heard of someone accepted without an interview from Kellogg or really any top school. Kellogg especially cares a lot about culture and fit so even if you kill it on paper and the video questions they'll still want some sort of opportunity to learn about you live.
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I can sense the tension among folks in this thread and as a current student, I can definitely say that people are not admitted without an interview. I know this is not what some of you were expecting but it wouldnt make sense for Kellogg to admit someone without an interview. No one has that great a profile to get admitted at a top 5/10 bschool without an interview or for that matter at almost all top 20 business schools in US.
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I can sense the tension among folks in this thread and as a current student, I can definitely say that people are not admitted without an interview. I know this is not what some of you were expecting but it wouldnt make sense for Kellogg to admit someone without an interview. No one has that great a profile to get admitted at a top 5/10 bschool without an interview or for that matter at almost all top 20 business schools in US.


I haven't seen anyone getting admitted to a TOP-50 B-school without an interview. Let alone KELLOGG!
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I can sense the tension among folks in this thread and as a current student, I can definitely say that people are not admitted without an interview. I know this is not what some of you were expecting but it wouldnt make sense for Kellogg to admit someone without an interview. No one has that great a profile to get admitted at a top 5/10 bschool without an interview or for that matter at almost all top 20 business schools in US.

And rightly so..

I think people are coming to terms with the fact that it's a ding and wishfully interpreting certain interactions as positive.

I'm now accepting of mine and semi annoyed that I didn't journey to Evanston for in-person.
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I am not sure if some of the confusion might stem from posts earlier in the round on this forum. There seemed to be a number of posts from people almost "celebrating" getting an interview waiver. Or at least there were exclamation marks and a few other things that indicated they maybe thought it was a positive thing. There were a number in a row that I thought felt odd since it doesn't mean you're out of the running but it doesn't mean you are just skipping the interview. I know current/past applicants were working hard to be clear that a waiver didn't mean you were rejected, to not let it get you down necessarily, and it just meant the admissions committee would be able to view your file and later invite you to a phone/Skype interview if they wanted, but some of the waiver posters might have misunderstood and maybe the celebration/extra positive spin on waivers by them caused some confusion for others a few weeks ago.

To the question about acceptances- accepted Round 1 with interview. Echo what people have already shared. Haven't met or ever heard of someone accepted without an interview from Kellogg or really any top school. Kellogg especially cares a lot about culture and fit so even if you kill it on paper and the video questions they'll still want some sort of opportunity to learn about you live.

You are absolutely correct on the interpretation of getting a waiver. Waiver only lets the adcom to review your file without the burden of interview. This is in no way any an indication of whether you will be getting an interview. Other thing that people very conveniently forgot that if they were basing their judgements and frustrations on either GC's R1 Kellogg discussions or even last 2-3 years' discussions; then everyone is so off the charts. M7 has seen a change in the demographics of people they let in R1 over the last 3-4 years. Who they admit in R2 then also becomes a function of what type/kind of class they already have assembled in R1. If you happen to be an Indian male engineer/Chinese finance person or any other overly represented candidate, then you are already swimming against the tide in R2.

I know it can be utterly frustrating but adcoms are trying their best in putting the most generic yet most helpful pieces of information on the website. They can not and should not put every single piece of information as one thing that is directly applicable for one candidate might not be applicable for other.

Finally, I saw a post with the poster quoting an email from the adcom. To me, Kellogg has always been one of the most accommodating of the top business schools as it continuously interviews almost all. It is just not logistically possible for them to interview 100% of the candidates. If you happened to get a waiver and not get invited for an interview till the very end, then your profile was not competitive enough or it would have been a diff story if you would have applied in R1. If you really want to stick it in Kellogg's or any other bschool that dinged you this year's face, get admitted to a better school next round/next year.
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I am not sure if some of the confusion might stem from posts earlier in the round on this forum. There seemed to be a number of posts from people almost "celebrating" getting an interview waiver. Or at least there were exclamation marks and a few other things that indicated they maybe thought it was a positive thing. There were a number in a row that I thought felt odd since it doesn't mean you're out of the running but it doesn't mean you are just skipping the interview. I know current/past applicants were working hard to be clear that a waiver didn't mean you were rejected, to not let it get you down necessarily, and it just meant the admissions committee would be able to view your file and later invite you to a phone/Skype interview if they wanted, but some of the waiver posters might have misunderstood and maybe the celebration/extra positive spin on waivers by them caused some confusion for others a few weeks ago.

To the question about acceptances- accepted Round 1 with interview. Echo what people have already shared. Haven't met or ever heard of someone accepted without an interview from Kellogg or really any top school. Kellogg especially cares a lot about culture and fit so even if you kill it on paper and the video questions they'll still want some sort of opportunity to learn about you live.

You are absolutely correct on the interpretation of getting a waiver. Waiver only lets the adcom to review your file without the burden of interview. This is in no way any an indication of whether you will be getting an interview. Other thing that people very conveniently forgot that if they were basing their judgements and frustrations on either GC's R1 Kellogg discussions or even last 2-3 years' discussions; then everyone is so off the charts. M7 has seen a change in the demographics of people they let in R1 over the last 3-4 years. Who they admit in R2 then also becomes a function of what type/kind of class they already have assembled in R1. If you happen to be an Indian male engineer/Chinese finance person or any other overly represented candidate, then you are already swimming against the tide in R2.

I know it can be utterly frustrating but adcoms are trying their best in putting the most generic yet most helpful pieces of information on the website. They can not and should not put every single piece of information as one thing that is directly applicable for one candidate might not be applicable for other.

Finally, I saw a post with the poster quoting an email from the adcom. To me, Kellogg has always been one of the most accommodating of the top business schools as it continuously interviews almost all. It is just not logistically possible for them to interview 100% of the candidates. If you happened to get a waiver and not get invited for an interview till the very end, then your profile was not competitive enough or it would have been a diff story if you would have applied in R1. If you really want to stick it in Kellogg's or any other bschool that dinged you this year's face, get admitted to a better school next round/next year.

I REALLY want this pointless discussion (At this point it is) to end, but LOL at interpreting posting a harmless email as attempt at sticking it.

*Look, I only asked why they're not 100% open about it (which is the definition of transparency -- although this could be a loaded word, as in corruption) but if the value judgement can be made that you don't need to be 100% open about the admissions process, then the case is closed. I can accept that.
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[/quote]Look, I only asked why they're not 100% open about it (which is the definition of transparency -- although this could be a loaded word, as in corruption) but if the value judgement can be made that you don't need to be 100% open about the admissions process, then the case is closed. I can accept that.[/quote]

Just a casual onlooker here who is struggling to understand the issue here. A waiver does not mean an automatic ding. However, it is very safe to assume that if you got a waiver and were not later interviewed then it is a ding.

How is this an issue and how has Kellogg violated anything by not specifically informing you on your specific case? Kellogg will inform their decision on the 28th including the final decision of those who were waived without interview and were never later interviewed (which will almost certainly begin with we regret to inform you).

IMO they have been fully transparent with this process. What additional steps would you like them to implement? An email to each waived student when it is decided that they will not be interviewed and presumably will not gain admissions? I think 1) it’s fairly impractical and creates more problems than it solves and 2) defeats the purpose of what March 28 represents.

Plus, I think you were misreading the admissions office email (which I can understand to an extent based on how it was worded). They are saying that just by being invited to the interview does not indicate that you will be admitted. Meaning you could very well interview and not be admitted. The wrong interpretation in my opinion is that you still have a shot if you do not interview. Again, I do not think Kellogg meant to imply your interpretation.

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At the end of the day, if individuals feel that an in-person interview will be another positive data point for their candidacy at Kellogg, make every possible attempt to get to Evanston. Period.

Post waiver interviewers do happen, per multiple sources, but an applicant certainly shouldn't take the risk of not being paired with an off-campus interviewer should they have sincere interest in Kellogg. I think applicants' confusion also stems from applicants' impressions that a waiver allows the admission committee to begin their review of the application. This has been debunked this year at many informational sessions and through personal phone calls to the Office of Admissions. As such, it's safe to assume that a waiver isn't simply a result of only limited resources. I believe Kellogg pairs limited alumni resources based on preliminary reviews of applications.

And I honestly don't blame them...

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I think the issue is less about understanding Kellogg’s process and more about what seems to be a refusal to accept Kellogg’s process because it didn’t turn out positively for the individual and a subsequent blasting of the school.

Regardless of whether that is what was intended that is how the comments came off. Especially after multiple people have patiently explained the same process for waivers.

Semi related note: I believe that Kellogg believes that the interview waiver does not have a negative impact on applicants. They also claim to test this regularly to ensure that the chances of admittance is the same regardless of a waiver or not. That said I agree with the comment above that it is in your best interest to make every effort to ensure that you do not get a waiver because for some applicants hitting the interview out of the park can be crucial for getting admitted and having the chance to do so is always better than not.


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I think the issue is less about understanding Kellogg’s process and more about what seems to be a refusal to accept Kellogg’s process because it didn’t turn out positively for the individual and a subsequent blasting of the school.

Regardless of whether that is what was intended that is how the comments came off. Especially after multiple people have patiently explained the same process for waivers.

Semi related note: I believe that Kellogg believes that the interview waiver does not have a negative impact on applicants. They also claim to test this regularly to ensure that the chances of admittance is the same regardless of a waiver or not. That said I agree with the comment above that it is in your best interest to make every effort to ensure that you do not get a waiver because for some applicants hitting the interview out of the park can be crucial for getting admitted and having the chance to do so is always better than not.


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I just can't get why I need to be treated like an ignoramus that is not getting what you are saying, while all I'm asking is where the school actually stands.
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What GC said = no skype interview post-waiver = ding
What Kellogg has said to me so far = the interview is just a part of the application...the absence of a Skype interview after the waiver does not indicate anything...et cetera.

In fact I asked the same question again and got the same answer : the fact that you didn't get a post-waiver interview doesn't mean a decision either way.
Notice that it's not whether the waiver indicates anything, the question is whether the absence of a post-waiver interview means anything. The school has said it is not indicative of a decision.

Why is pointing out this difference considered bashing a school unfairly?
For the record many friends attended/graduated Kellogg. I have no intention nor incentive to bash a school unfairly.

I now get why the school has to maintain this tone, and I think it's inevitable if they are going to keep the 'interview as many as possible' policy. However if you're applying for the first time and/or you've never been to info sessions, then it's less clear. Even more so if the info coming from the admin and sites like these are slightly different.

But if any feelings are hurt, then I apologize.
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I think the issue is less about understanding Kellogg’s process and more about what seems to be a refusal to accept Kellogg’s process because it didn’t turn out positively for the individual and a subsequent blasting of the school.

Regardless of whether that is what was intended that is how the comments came off. Especially after multiple people have patiently explained the same process for waivers.

Semi related note: I believe that Kellogg believes that the interview waiver does not have a negative impact on applicants. They also claim to test this regularly to ensure that the chances of admittance is the same regardless of a waiver or not. That said I agree with the comment above that it is in your best interest to make every effort to ensure that you do not get a waiver because for some applicants hitting the interview out of the park can be crucial for getting admitted and having the chance to do so is always better than not.


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I just can't get why I need to be treated like an ignoramus that is not getting what you are saying, while all I'm asking is the school's position, not yours. You're not school admin.

You’re not being treated like an ignoramous.

No one here has done anything but patiently explained to you how the waiver process works. Current students, past applicants, accepted students, and current applicants have all told you the same thing.

Instead of accepting the truth you have done nothing but argued with people who have prior experience and complained about the school. Neither of which will help you to get in to school.

I’m generally very happy to help people on these forums but it’s impossible to do that if you’re not willing to listen.


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What GC said = no skype interview post-waiver = ding
What Kellogg has said to me so far = the interview is just a part of the application...the absence of an interview does not indicate anything...etc

You’ve added your own meaning to what Kellogg is saying though. I have yet to see anywhere where Kellogg says that if you are not interviewed you still have a chance. I believe you have invented that.

What Kellogg is actually guarding against is someone getting too excited about getting an interview and thinking that they are going to get in because they are interviewed. That is why they are saying it’s only one piece of the puzzle. You’ve misinterpreted this downplaying of the interview as it’s not necessary. It is necessary! But there are other pieces that are also necessary.

It’s sufficiency and necessity. It’s necessary to have an interview but it may not be sufficient. Meaning all those who are admitted were invited to interview but not all those who interviewed are admitted. That’s what they are trying to say. Not that you can get accepted without interviewing.

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I think the issue is less about understanding Kellogg’s process and more about what seems to be a refusal to accept Kellogg’s process because it didn’t turn out positively for the individual and a subsequent blasting of the school.

Regardless of whether that is what was intended that is how the comments came off. Especially after multiple people have patiently explained the same process for waivers.

Semi related note: I believe that Kellogg believes that the interview waiver does not have a negative impact on applicants. They also claim to test this regularly to ensure that the chances of admittance is the same regardless of a waiver or not. That said I agree with the comment above that it is in your best interest to make every effort to ensure that you do not get a waiver because for some applicants hitting the interview out of the park can be crucial for getting admitted and having the chance to do so is always better than not.


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I just can't get why I need to be treated like an ignoramus that is not getting what you are saying, while all I'm asking is the school's position, not yours. You're not school admin.

You’re not being treated like an ignoramous.

No one here has done anything but patiently explained to you how the waiver process works. Current students, past applicants, accepted students, and current applicants have all told you the same thing.

Instead of accepting the truth you have done nothing but argued with people who have prior experience and complained about the school. Neither of which will help you to get in to school.

I’m generally very happy to help people on these forums but it’s impossible to do that if you’re not willing to listen.


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Instead of accepting the truth = yes, GC's version of the truth. I asked whether the school is not as direct but still saying the same thing. I think you're right.
Argued with people = I think my question started as 'why less transparency' which is, technically, a question, not an argument.
Neither of which will help you get into this school = if GC's right I'm dinged anyway, doesn't make me eligible to bash a school but then again I'm not bashing anyone.
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I think the issue is less about understanding Kellogg’s process and more about what seems to be a refusal to accept Kellogg’s process because it didn’t turn out positively for the individual and a subsequent blasting of the school.

Regardless of whether that is what was intended that is how the comments came off. Especially after multiple people have patiently explained the same process for waivers.

Semi related note: I believe that Kellogg believes that the interview waiver does not have a negative impact on applicants. They also claim to test this regularly to ensure that the chances of admittance is the same regardless of a waiver or not. That said I agree with the comment above that it is in your best interest to make every effort to ensure that you do not get a waiver because for some applicants hitting the interview out of the park can be crucial for getting admitted and having the chance to do so is always better than not.


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I just can't get why I need to be treated like an ignoramus that is not getting what you are saying, while all I'm asking is where the school actually stands.
i.e,

What GC said = no skype interview post-waiver = ding
What Kellogg has said to me so far = the interview is just a part of the application...the absence of a Skype interview after the waiver does not indicate anything...et cetera.

In fact I asked the same question again and got the same answer : the fact that you didn't get a post-waiver interview doesn't mean a decision either way.
Notice that it's not whether the waiver indicates anything, the question is whether the absence of a post-waiver interview means anything. The school has said it is not indicative of a decision.

Why is pointing out this difference considered bashing a school unfairly?
For the record many friends attended/graduated Kellogg. I have no intention nor incentive to bash a school unfairly.

I now get why the school has to maintain this tone, and I think it's inevitable if they are going to keep the 'interview as many as possible' policy. However if you're applying for the first time and/or you've never been to info sessions, then it's less clear. Even more so if the info coming from the admin and sites like these are slightly different.

But if any feelings are hurt, then I apologize.

I’m really glad I quoted your lost earlier because for the record your original comment was way ruder than this. I’m glad you realized this and then edited it but I’m not going to engage anymore. I think this topic has been fully covered and I don’t think anymore discussion will change your mind.


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What GC said = no skype interview post-waiver = ding
What Kellogg has said to me so far = the interview is just a part of the application...the absence of an interview does not indicate anything...etc

You’ve added your own meaning to what Kellogg is saying though. I have yet to see anywhere where Kellogg says that if you are not interviewed you still have a chance. I believe you have invented that.

What Kellogg is actually guarding against is someone getting too excited about getting an interview and thinking that they are going to get in because they are interviewed. That is why they are saying it’s only one piece of the puzzle. You’ve misinterpreted this downplaying of the interview as it’s not necessary. It is NECESSARY! But there are other pieces that are also necessary.

It’s sufficiency and necessity. It’s necessary to have an interview but it may not be sufficient. Meaning all those who are admitted were invited to interview but not all those who interviewed are admitted. That’s what they are trying to say. Not that you can get accepted without interviewing.

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Actually, to quote from the last email I got,

"if a Skype interview is helpful in rendering a decision, we will contact for a Skype interview"
it's not "if a Skype interview is deemed helpful in reaching an acceptance decision"

So actually nowhere does it explicitly state you need an interview to be accepted.
But, since I wasn't aware of the fact that "100% of accepted students get interviewed", and if this is true then no interview post-waiver = ding is obviously correct.
This is my first time applying to schools, and so far I've only applied properly to two schools. No wonder I don't know the norm is.

But then that's what I asked the school, which the school wasn't direct about...
But then that would be early ding, which Kellogg doesn't do...

so the whole picture is clear now.
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