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Some great points.

But I disagree with your statement regarding Rice and SMU being on the level field .

Some Stats ->

Rice (Jones) ->
US NEWS RANK => 29(Top 30)
Average Salary => $112k
Acceptance rate => 27%



Cox ->
US NEWS RANK => 52(Outside Top 50)
Average salary => $97k
Acceptance rate => 39%




And how can you even forget about TAMU and Naveen Jindal???


Best Schools in Texas in that order =>

Mccombs
Rice
TAMU
Naveen Jindal
SMU/TCU( They are both bottom two and I cannot really decide)



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GTFO
Unfortunately I cannot use curse phrases on this platform :cool:
Let's look at three average salaries: Consulting, Finance, & All

McCombs (2017 numbers)
Consulting: $136,000
Finance: $111,000
All: $117,00
Correct. (You did not include a signing bonus amount of about 28k)

Rice (2016 numbers)
Consulting: $119,000
Finance: $116,000
All: $112,000
Correct! Plus a signing bonus of about 25k


A&M (2017)
Consulting: $111,000
Finance: $103,000
All: $105,000 (106k actually)
Correct!!

UT-Dallas (2016)
Consulting: $77,000
Finance: $83,000
All: $90,000
Correct!


Cox (2015 Numbers on Website, 2017 numbers through their admissions department)
2015
Consulting: $104,000
Finance: $101,000
All: $100,000
2017
Consulting: $120,000
Finance: $110,000
All: don't know, didn't ask
So it witnessed a jump from 104k to 120k. I will wait until they publish that.




Neeley (2017 numbers)
Consulting: $103,000
Finance: $95,215
All: don't know, didn't ask
I don't know about this since I did not get in touch with the school

McCombs is best. No argument.

Rice is fine if you want to work in the Energy industry. Jones and Houston focus and live off of energy. So if you want to focus on Energy, Rice is second. If you want to focus on anything else. It also has a lot of alumni living in Houston. If you don't like Houston, don't go to Rice. No list of employers, so who knows who hires from Rice, but I bet all the big firms look. Second largest class size, so it has a good amount of positives going for it. Private as well.
ITs average GMAT is 710. That tells us a lot.

A&M's 2017 #s barely beat Cox's 2015 #s. Cox's 2017 #s beat A&Ms handily. A&M is also a cult school. You only go there if you bleed Maroon. Average GMAT at A&M is 649. Average GMAT at Cox is 661.
Going by this logic RICE is the bloody best outta the three with a GMAT of 710

UT-Dallas is for people who didn't plan ahead and got rejected from McCombs. Average age is 29 with a class size of 50. Crap starting salaries (worse than Neeley) and mostly general management companies hiring.

Again STOP insinuating!

Cox is the best (I am trying not to laugh and hoping you are just kidding) private school in Texas. Its reputation in Texas is remarkable (hence why GW Bush picked it for his Presidential library). Highest starting salary matches both McCombs & Jones at $150,000. With 120+ students, it is the third largest MBA class in Texas. If you don't like Houston, SMU beats Rice. (Its like saying if you don't like Evanston Cox beats Kellogg. Which is utterly foolish! ) If you want to go into an industry other than Energy or Tech, SMU beats Rice. Lol. Why do you bother.Did you try asking them the 2017 numbers. I bet they won't disclose.

Neeley is a combination of Rice and UT-Dallas.
Bullshit! Rice is a top 30 school and Neeley is Top 70!! You are delusional.!



Your analysis seems to be 100% based on rankings, which don't take a ton into consideration. Agreed. But rankings are there for a reason. If Cox is "best school in Texas" why wouldn't it be around the Top 30 mark?

For example, BusinessWeek (now US News) ranked SMU #12 in the World back in '08. The Economist currently ranks SMU Cox #6 in the world for faculty quality (which is kinda important if you plan on learning something). Cox also gets high marks in Finance and Quantitative studies in a ton of rankings. SHOW ME THE SPECIFIC DETAILS! They recently forfeited there STEM status. Does that qualify as "Quant studies"?

Rankings can be played with and are usually "watered" down to the lowest common denominator.



I still stand by my statement: If you want to go into consulting in Dallas, Cox will do it. If you want to go into Finance in Dallas, Cox may be your best bet (even beating McCombs depending on how hard you network).

Rice will beat SMU when it comes to Energy, Tech, and anything in Houston and outside of Texas. McCombs will beat both outside of Texas. SMU can compete with McCombs in Finance in Dallas. SMU can compete with Rice in Consulting in Dallas.

Jindal, A&M, and Neeley are all playing in a different league.

You are delusional. I have written my comments in the form of highlights which can be seen in the quotes above.


To conclude -> SMU is a ****-piped dreamy eyed lumberjack school who couldn't even retain the STEM designation. It has a average GMAT of 650 or whatever and stands in no way close to Rice who has a Average GMAT of 710 and a much lower acceptance rate.

Rankings are there for a reason. DO they tell us the entire picture ? NO.
Will Cox beat other schools in some parameters? YES!!

Hell. Wisconsin beats Harvard in terms of Real estate MBA salary. Is it better than Harvard ? Please don't say yes :cool:

For Dallas ->

UT Austin >>>>>>>>>>RICE>>>>>>TAMU>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SMU



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SMU Cox Finance Concentration: Top 10 Globally: https://www.smu.edu/News/2015/cox-finan ... -05feb2015
The Economist ranks the SMU Cox Master of Science in Management (MS Management) #6 in the U.S. and #25 in the world. Same professors as MBA management classes.
https://www.smu.edu/News/2017/cox-stem-d ... -12dec2017 The MS in Finance has a stem designation, so rigor has nothing to do with the STEM program being dropped from the MBA curriculum.
Business Analytics is 13 in the world: https://www.topmba.com/business-masters ... ytics/2018 (same professors as MBA).



Cox is better than TAMU, Jindal, and Neeley without question. Not even sure how you can make that argument.

Cox is close to Rice. Let's look at more numbers:

Economist's 2017 evaluation of recruiters for Rice: https://www.economist.com/whichmba/rice- ... 2017?tab=7
8 industries, 84% have job offers, post MBA Salary $112k, increase on pre-MBA salary 83% (because they recruit engineers from energy sector).
Economist's 2017 evaluation of recruiters for Cox: https://www.economist.com/whichmba/south ... 2017?tab=7
10 industries, 87% have job offers, post MBA $97k, increase on pre-MBA salary 90%
This means more people saw larger increases in their lives in more industries by going to Cox over Rice.

Student rating of the program:
Rice: 4.49
Cox: 4.56 (7th highest in the nation)
This means the students who went to Cox enjoy their lives and appreciate what they are paying for more than the people who went to Rice.

According to Forbes study on the current salary for the class of 2012:
Rice: $131,000 (https://www.forbes.com/colleges/rice-un ... ss-schools)
Cox: $140,000 (https://www.forbes.com/colleges/souther ... ss-schools)
This means the people who went to Cox are valued more by their employers than the people who went to Rice.


Rice and Cox are extremely close.

Rice wins in Houston, the energy and tech industries, and has a bit more name recognition outside of Texas.
Cox wins in Dallas, finance, and business analytics.
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I received an interview invite from Hannah Nousain. Applied for R2, FTMBA. Anyone had their interviews recently or in the coming days. Please share your experience. I already some of the interview questions posted in the earlier pages
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Boom7, what you read from previous posts are pretty on point in my opinion. One question that SMU did add was the six words question you provided in the application. They asked me why and the story behind one of the words (you choose one). Otherwise very relaxed interview process with simple questions of why Cox, MBA, career plans, etc. Easy conversation to learn about you and aspirations.

Feel free to PM me if you have more questions.
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I committed to the full time program late last year. Can someone share the group chat? Thanks!

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Had my interview yesterday (Jan 30th). Like discussed earlier, it was the set of standard questions, walk me through your resume, why MBA, why Cox, and few questions on the details mentioned in the application & essays.
I had a curveball question (or so I felt) and I did not know how to handle it so I replied that I was more inclined to a full-time MBA and would think about it. I am told that my profile suits the "fast track MBA" and if I would like to consider it.
I am told that the ad-com will meet after a month and will take a final decision. some more waiting before I hear the final verdict. What do you think are my chances?
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Hi all,

I got accepted to thr FT MBA with $50k scholarship.

The interview, which I had a couple of weeks ago, went well and I was told that I would be receiving an offer during the interview.

I'm an international applicant (UK), my stats exceed all of their averagees and I have managerial experience in consulting. I have a BA from a top-10 by worldwide rankings uni and an MA from a top-50.

The problem is that this scholarship, whilst very generous, isn't enough to allow me to afford it. I am willing to take some loans out, but given how shoddy the interest rates on international student loans are, I'm not willing to take out $50k+ for an MBA that, if I do have to return to Europe, won't be recognised.

Is it worth going back to them to ask for a bigger scholarship? I've also been invited to meet with them in March, so could broach the subject there...

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I should also note I have received offers, with scholarships, for higher ranked programmes outside of the USA. Cost for tuition would be similar. Could use this as leverage to pitch for more scholarship money, potentially.

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I should also note I have received offers, with scholarships, for higher ranked programmes outside of the USA. Cost for tuition would be similar. Could use this as leverage to pitch for more scholarship money, potentially.

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If you already have an offer from a higher-ranked college in USA, you may use that to negotiate the scholarship. One of the alums of the school told me that she was able to get upto 90% tuition fee waiver at Cox using her admit at a higher ranked-school!
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Hi all,

I just heard back from Hannah from Adcom about STEM status of their Business Analytics concentration.

This is her mail:
I have some good news – the Provost has just given approval for our MBA concentration in Business Analytics (which is a part of the ITOM concentration) to be STEM certified. We are still working on the details in terms of how many courses are required and which classes will be part of that, but it has been approved.
As we know more information, I’m happy to share that with you; but for now I am able to confirm that the Business Analytics concentration, within ITOM, will be STEM certified.


I am just elated at this news!
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I should also note I have received offers, with scholarships, for higher ranked programmes outside of the USA. Cost for tuition would be similar. Could use this as leverage to pitch for more scholarship money, potentially.

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Hi,

If you already have an offer from a higher-ranked college in USA, you may use that to negotiate the scholarship. One of the alums of the school told me that she was able to get upto 90% tuition fee waiver at Cox using her admit at a higher ranked-school!

Thanks for your reply. The schools I have admits to aren't US-based, but rather Spain and Canada. Cambridge Judge in the UK as good as said I'd be getting an admit, too, but i don't want to stay in the UK. My preferred option would be Canada or USA.

I might try to negotiate in that case, so thanks.

I don't suppose you know what her initial scholarship offer was? I'd be pushing for an $85k scholarship, so quite a big lift on their initial offer.

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I should also note I have received offers, with scholarships, for higher ranked programmes outside of the USA. Cost for tuition would be similar. Could use this as leverage to pitch for more scholarship money, potentially.

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Hi,

If you already have an offer from a higher-ranked college in USA, you may use that to negotiate the scholarship. One of the alums of the school told me that she was able to get upto 90% tuition fee waiver at Cox using her admit at a higher ranked-school!

Thanks for your reply. The schools I have admits to aren't US-based, but rather Spain and Canada. Cambridge Judge in the UK as good as said I'd be getting an admit, too, but i don't want to stay in the UK. My preferred option would be Canada or USA.

I might try to negotiate in that case, so thanks.

I don't suppose you know what her initial scholarship offer was? I'd be pushing for an $85k scholarship, so quite a big lift on their initial offer.

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No, I am not aware of the initial amount! But you may still give it a try with schools in other countries as well.
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Hi all,

I just heard back from Hannah from Adcom about STEM status of their Business Analytics concentration.

This is her mail:
I have some good news – the Provost has just given approval for our MBA concentration in Business Analytics (which is a part of the ITOM concentration) to be STEM certified. We are still working on the details in terms of how many courses are required and which classes will be part of that, but it has been approved.
As we know more information, I’m happy to share that with you; but for now I am able to confirm that the Business Analytics concentration, within ITOM, will be STEM certified.


I am just elated at this news!


Congratulations!!!
Could you tell me when you applied and when you interviewed?
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Hi all,

I just heard back from Hannah from Adcom about STEM status of their Business Analytics concentration.

This is her mail:
I have some good news – the Provost has just given approval for our MBA concentration in Business Analytics (which is a part of the ITOM concentration) to be STEM certified. We are still working on the details in terms of how many courses are required and which classes will be part of that, but it has been approved.
As we know more information, I’m happy to share that with you; but for now I am able to confirm that the Business Analytics concentration, within ITOM, will be STEM certified.


I am just elated at this news!


Congratulations!!!
Could you tell me when you applied and when you interviewed?

Not sure if aimed at me, but if so I applied around 8 Jan, got admit by 28 Jan.

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Hi all,

I received an email regarding status update and checked it to find that I have been admitted with merit-based scholarship of
USD 70000. I have to confirm my decision by 15th March...I will check out about STEM status from the admission office..
If STEM status is available for ITOM...Cox can be a tempting choice..

For those interested...Here it went

Applied on ............... 09/01/2018 (last day of R3)
Interview Invite......... 12/01/2018
Interviewed on ......... 18/01/2018
Admission Offer on..... 03/02/2018

All the best to all those waiting for the results :thumbup:
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Hi all,

I received an email regarding status update and checked it to find that I have been admitted with merit-based scholarship of
USD 70000. I have to confirm my decision by 15th March...I will check out about STEM status from the admission office..
If STEM status is available for ITOM...Cox can be a tempting choice..

For those interested...Here it went

Applied on ............... 09/01/2018 (last day of R3)
Interview Invite......... 12/01/2018
Interviewed on ......... 18/01/2018
Admission Offer on..... 03/02/2018

All the best to all those waiting for the results :thumbup:

Congrats!! Is it fulltime MBA or fast track MBA program?
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Hi all,

I just heard back from Hannah from Adcom about STEM status of their Business Analytics concentration.

This is her mail:
I have some good news – the Provost has just given approval for our MBA concentration in Business Analytics (which is a part of the ITOM concentration) to be STEM certified. We are still working on the details in terms of how many courses are required and which classes will be part of that, but it has been approved.
As we know more information, I’m happy to share that with you; but for now I am able to confirm that the Business Analytics concentration, within ITOM, will be STEM certified.


I am just elated at this news!


Congratulations!!!
Could you tell me when you applied and when you interviewed?

Hi...I had applied for R2.
Application Submission: 4th Dec,
Interview Invite: 6th Dec
Interview Date: 13th Dec
Decision email: 20th Dec.

Hope this helps! Good Luck!
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Hi all,

I just heard back from Hannah from Adcom about STEM status of their Business Analytics concentration.

This is her mail:
I have some good news – the Provost has just given approval for our MBA concentration in Business Analytics (which is a part of the ITOM concentration) to be STEM certified. We are still working on the details in terms of how many courses are required and which classes will be part of that, but it has been approved.
As we know more information, I’m happy to share that with you; but for now I am able to confirm that the Business Analytics concentration, within ITOM, will be STEM certified.


I am just elated at this news!


Congratulations!!!
Could you tell me when you applied and when you interviewed?

Hi...I had applied for R2.
Application Submission: 4th Dec,
Interview Invite: 6th Dec
Interview Date: 13th Dec
Decision email: 20th Dec.

Hope this helps! Good Luck!

Have you accepted the offer and paid the initial deposit?
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