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Does the decimal equivalent of P/Q, where P and Q are positive integers, contain only a finite number of nonzero digits?

(1) P>Q
(2) Q=8

Originally posted by vaivish1723 on 23 Jan 2010, 00:37.
Last edited by Bunuel on 23 May 2013, 05:03, edited 2 times in total.
Edited the OA, it must be B not E
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Does the decimal equivalent of P/Q, where P and Q are positive integers, contain only
a finite number of nonzero digits?
(1) P>Q
(2) Q=8

Oa is

Theory:
Reduced fraction $$\frac{a}{b}$$ (meaning that fraction is already reduced to its lowest term) can be expressed as terminating decimal if and only $$b$$ (denominator) is of the form $$2^n5^m$$, where $$m$$ and $$n$$ are non-negative integers. For example: $$\frac{7}{250}$$ is a terminating decimal $$0.028$$, as $$250$$ (denominator) equals to $$2*5^3$$. Fraction $$\frac{3}{30}$$ is also a terminating decimal, as $$\frac{3}{30}=\frac{1}{10}$$ and denominator $$10=2*5$$.

Question: Does the decimal equivalent of P/Q, where P and Q are positive integers, contain only
a finite number of nonzero digits?

According to the above we must determine whether the denominator (after reducing the fraction, if possible) contains only the 2-s and/or 5-s as the prime factors.

(1) P>Q, clearly insufficient.

(2) Q=8=2^3, hence denominator has only 2 as prime factor. Fraction P/Q will be terminated decimal. Sufficient.

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vaivish1723 wrote:
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Does the decimal equivalent of P/Q, where P and Q are positive integers, contain only
a finite number of nonzero digits?
(1) P>Q
(2) Q=8

Oa is

Theory:
Reduced fraction $$\frac{a}{b}$$ (meaning that fraction is already reduced to its lowest term) can be expressed as terminating decimal if and only $$b$$ (denominator) is of the form $$2^n5^m$$, where $$m$$ and $$n$$ are non-negative integers. For example: $$\frac{7}{250}$$ is a terminating decimal $$0.028$$, as $$250$$ (denominator) equals to $$2*5^2$$. Fraction $$\frac{3}{30}$$ is also a terminating decimal, as $$\frac{3}{30}=\frac{1}{10}$$ and denominator $$10=2*5$$.

Question: Does the decimal equivalent of P/Q, where P and Q are positive integers, contain only
a finite number of nonzero digits?

According to the above we must determine whether the denominator (after reducing the fraction, if possible) contains only the 2-s and/or 5-s as the prime factors.

(1) P>Q, clearly insufficient.

(2) Q=8=2^3, hence denominator has only 2 as prime factor. Fraction P/Q will be terminated decimal. Sufficient.

Answer: B. (OA must be wrong)

Hello Bunuel

How can we say that the fraction given is a "reduced fraction". Because if it's not than 70/8 is a non-terminating value.
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Hello Bunuel

How can we say that the fraction given is a "reduced fraction". Because if it's not than 70/8 is a non-terminating value.

Denominator already has only 2-s so in this case it's doesn't matter whether the fraction is reduced or not.

For example $$\frac{x}{2^n5^m}$$, (where x, n and m are integers) will always be the terminating decimal.

We need reducing in case when we have the prime in denominator other then 2 or 5 to see whether it could be reduced. For example fraction $$\frac{6}{15}$$ has 3 as prime in denominator and we need to know if it can be reduced.

Hope it's clear.
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Bunuel please excuse the stupid question but I'm quite weak in these types of questions.

* Does the rule basically say that any integer divided by either 2, 5, a multiple of either, or a product of these multiples will have a finite amount of decimals?

So any integer divided by any multiple of 5 will have a finite amount of decimals, etc.?

* And another basic question: 0 is neither positive nor negative right?

* I also don't completely understand what to do when we don't know whether the fraction is reduced to its lowest form. Can we still apply the same rule?
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Bunuel please excuse the stupid question but I'm quite weak in these types of questions.

1.Does the rule basically say that any integer divided by either 2, 5, a multiple of either, or a product of these multiples will have a finite amount of decimals?

2. So any integer divided by any multiple of 5 will have a finite amount of decimals, etc.?

3. And another basic question: 0 is neither positive nor negative right?

4. I also don't completely understand what to do when we don't know whether the fraction is reduced to its lowest form. Can we still apply the same rule?

1. Not multiples but when denominator has only 2 and/or 5 in any integer power;
2. No, multiples of 5 are 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, ... 1/30 won't be terminating as there is 3 in denominator. Maybe you meant 5 in any power? Then yes;
3. Yes, (though it's even);
4. If fraction has only 2 or/and 5 in denominator then it does not matter whether it's reduced. If there is some other integer in denominator we need reducing to see whether it can be cancelled.
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Thanks! that explains everything
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Nice explanation there! Answer should be B
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How to know these properties before, some book/site has these properties covered thoroughly.
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How to know these properties before, some book/site has these properties covered thoroughly.

gmat-math-book-87417.html
MGMAT Strategy Guides 4th Edition
OG12, OG Quantitative Review 2

Nothing else is required beyond these for GMAT related quantitative concepts.
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It is a repeat

soln is explained in

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Bunuel wrote:
vaivish1723 wrote:
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Does the decimal equivalent of P/Q, where P and Q are positive integers, contain only
a finite number of nonzero digits?
(1) P>Q
(2) Q=8

Oa is

Theory:
Reduced fraction $$\frac{a}{b}$$ (meaning that fraction is already reduced to its lowest term) can be expressed as terminating decimal if and only $$b$$ (denominator) is of the form $$2^n5^m$$, where $$m$$ and $$n$$ are non-negative integers. For example: $$\frac{7}{250}$$ is a terminating decimal $$0.028$$, as $$250$$ (denominator) equals to $$2*5^2$$. Fraction $$\frac{3}{30}$$ is also a terminating decimal, as $$\frac{3}{30}=\frac{1}{10}$$ and denominator $$10=2*5$$.

Question: Does the decimal equivalent of P/Q, where P and Q are positive integers, contain only
a finite number of nonzero digits?

According to the above we must determine whether the denominator (after reducing the fraction, if possible) contains only the 2-s and/or 5-s as the prime factors.

(1) P>Q, clearly insufficient.

(2) Q=8=2^3, hence denominator has only 2 as prime factor. Fraction P/Q will be terminated decimal. Sufficient.

Hi Bunuel,

One question -- if we know that the denominator only has powers of 5 OR only has powers of 2 -- it's irrelevant if the denominator is great or less than the numerator, the fraction will still end up in a terminating decimal. is that correct?
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russ9 wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
vaivish1723 wrote:
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Does the decimal equivalent of P/Q, where P and Q are positive integers, contain only
a finite number of nonzero digits?
(1) P>Q
(2) Q=8

Oa is

Theory:
Reduced fraction $$\frac{a}{b}$$ (meaning that fraction is already reduced to its lowest term) can be expressed as terminating decimal if and only $$b$$ (denominator) is of the form $$2^n5^m$$, where $$m$$ and $$n$$ are non-negative integers. For example: $$\frac{7}{250}$$ is a terminating decimal $$0.028$$, as $$250$$ (denominator) equals to $$2*5^2$$. Fraction $$\frac{3}{30}$$ is also a terminating decimal, as $$\frac{3}{30}=\frac{1}{10}$$ and denominator $$10=2*5$$.

Question: Does the decimal equivalent of P/Q, where P and Q are positive integers, contain only
a finite number of nonzero digits?

According to the above we must determine whether the denominator (after reducing the fraction, if possible) contains only the 2-s and/or 5-s as the prime factors.

(1) P>Q, clearly insufficient.

(2) Q=8=2^3, hence denominator has only 2 as prime factor. Fraction P/Q will be terminated decimal. Sufficient.

Hi Bunuel,

One question -- if we know that the denominator only has powers of 5 OR only has powers of 2 -- it's irrelevant if the denominator is great or less than the numerator, the fraction will still end up in a terminating decimal. is that correct?

Yes. $$\frac{integer}{2^n5^m}$$, for nonnegative integers n and m, will be a terminating decimal irrespective of the numerator.
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Bunuel wrote:
vaivish1723 wrote:
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Does the decimal equivalent of P/Q, where P and Q are positive integers, contain only
a finite number of nonzero digits?
(1) P>Q
(2) Q=8

Oa is

Theory:
Reduced fraction $$\frac{a}{b}$$ (meaning that fraction is already reduced to its lowest term) can be expressed as terminating decimal if and only $$b$$ (denominator) is of the form $$2^n5^m$$, where $$m$$ and $$n$$ are non-negative integers. For example: $$\frac{7}{250}$$ is a terminating decimal $$0.028$$, as $$250$$ (denominator) equals to $$2*5^3$$. Fraction $$\frac{3}{30}$$ is also a terminating decimal, as $$\frac{3}{30}=\frac{1}{10}$$ and denominator $$10=2*5$$.

Question: Does the decimal equivalent of P/Q, where P and Q are positive integers, contain only
a finite number of nonzero digits?

According to the above we must determine whether the denominator (after reducing the fraction, if possible) contains only the 2-s and/or 5-s as the prime factors.

(1) P>Q, clearly insufficient.

(2) Q=8=2^3, hence denominator has only 2 as prime factor. Fraction P/Q will be terminated decimal. Sufficient.

the doubt i have regarding this concept is:

The prime factors of the denominator cannot be anything except 2 and/or 5?
eg. 1/30 will not be a terminating decimal as it has 3 too?
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Ralphcuisak wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
vaivish1723 wrote:
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Does the decimal equivalent of P/Q, where P and Q are positive integers, contain only
a finite number of nonzero digits?
(1) P>Q
(2) Q=8

Oa is

Theory:
Reduced fraction $$\frac{a}{b}$$ (meaning that fraction is already reduced to its lowest term) can be expressed as terminating decimal if and only $$b$$ (denominator) is of the form $$2^n5^m$$, where $$m$$ and $$n$$ are non-negative integers. For example: $$\frac{7}{250}$$ is a terminating decimal $$0.028$$, as $$250$$ (denominator) equals to $$2*5^3$$. Fraction $$\frac{3}{30}$$ is also a terminating decimal, as $$\frac{3}{30}=\frac{1}{10}$$ and denominator $$10=2*5$$.

Question: Does the decimal equivalent of P/Q, where P and Q are positive integers, contain only
a finite number of nonzero digits?

According to the above we must determine whether the denominator (after reducing the fraction, if possible) contains only the 2-s and/or 5-s as the prime factors.

(1) P>Q, clearly insufficient.

(2) Q=8=2^3, hence denominator has only 2 as prime factor. Fraction P/Q will be terminated decimal. Sufficient.

the doubt i have regarding this concept is:

The prime factors of the denominator cannot be anything except 2 and/or 5?
eg. 1/30 will not be a terminating decimal as it has 3 too?

Yes, 1/30 will not be a terminating decimal.
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Bunuel wrote:
vaivish1723 wrote:
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Does the decimal equivalent of P/Q, where P and Q are positive integers, contain only
a finite number of nonzero digits?
(1) P>Q
(2) Q=8

Oa is

Theory:
Reduced fraction $$\frac{a}{b}$$ (meaning that fraction is already reduced to its lowest term) can be expressed as terminating decimal if and only $$b$$ (denominator) is of the form $$2^n5^m$$, where $$m$$ and $$n$$ are non-negative integers. For example: $$\frac{7}{250}$$ is a terminating decimal $$0.028$$, as $$250$$ (denominator) equals to $$2*5^3$$. Fraction $$\frac{3}{30}$$ is also a terminating decimal, as $$\frac{3}{30}=\frac{1}{10}$$ and denominator $$10=2*5$$.

Question: Does the decimal equivalent of P/Q, where P and Q are positive integers, contain only
a finite number of nonzero digits?

According to the above we must determine whether the denominator (after reducing the fraction, if possible) contains only the 2-s and/or 5-s as the prime factors.

(1) P>Q, clearly insufficient.

(2) Q=8=2^3, hence denominator has only 2 as prime factor. Fraction P/Q will be terminated decimal. Sufficient.

Hi Bunuel,
In this question it was not mentioned that P/Q is in reduced form
So how can we use the 2\sqrt{m}*5\sqrt{n}.

Is it assumed that it is in reduced form??
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suramya26 wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
vaivish1723 wrote:
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Does the decimal equivalent of P/Q, where P and Q are positive integers, contain only
a finite number of nonzero digits?
(1) P>Q
(2) Q=8

Oa is

Theory:
Reduced fraction $$\frac{a}{b}$$ (meaning that fraction is already reduced to its lowest term) can be expressed as terminating decimal if and only $$b$$ (denominator) is of the form $$2^n5^m$$, where $$m$$ and $$n$$ are non-negative integers. For example: $$\frac{7}{250}$$ is a terminating decimal $$0.028$$, as $$250$$ (denominator) equals to $$2*5^3$$. Fraction $$\frac{3}{30}$$ is also a terminating decimal, as $$\frac{3}{30}=\frac{1}{10}$$ and denominator $$10=2*5$$.

Question: Does the decimal equivalent of P/Q, where P and Q are positive integers, contain only
a finite number of nonzero digits?

According to the above we must determine whether the denominator (after reducing the fraction, if possible) contains only the 2-s and/or 5-s as the prime factors.

(1) P>Q, clearly insufficient.

(2) Q=8=2^3, hence denominator has only 2 as prime factor. Fraction P/Q will be terminated decimal. Sufficient.

Hi Bunuel,
In this question it was not mentioned that P/Q is in reduced form
So how can we use the 2\sqrt{m}*5\sqrt{n}.

Is it assumed that it is in reduced form??

If denominator already has only 2-s and/or 5-s then it doesn't matter whether the fraction is reduced or not.

For example $$\frac{x}{2^n5^m}$$, (where x, n and m are integers) will always be the terminating decimal.

We need reducing in case when we have the prime in denominator other then 2 or 5 to see whether it could be reduced. For example fraction $$\frac{6}{15}$$ has 3 as prime in denominator and we need to know if it can be reduced.
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Does the decimal equivalent of P/Q, where P and Q are positive integers, contain only a finite number of nonzero digits?

(1) P>Q
(2) Q=8

What does this question mean?
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vaivish1723 wrote:
Does the decimal equivalent of P/Q, where P and Q are positive integers, contain only a finite number of nonzero digits?

(1) P>Q
(2) Q=8

What does this question mean?

Lets look at a fraction 1/2. When you convert 1/2 to decimal, what do you get: 0.5. This has a finite number of non-zero digits (only one non zero digit, which is '5').

Now consider fraction 1/3. When you convert 1/3 to decimal, you get 0.333333... (unending). This contains infinite number of non-zero digits.

So the question is asking whether P/Q has a finite or an infinite number of non-zero digits?
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Thank you, Bunuel. Your explanations are simply awesome.. Re: Does the decimal equivalent of P/Q, where P and Q are   [#permalink] 29 Jul 2019, 14:29
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