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Can anyone explain why THAT in option C makes the choice incorrect?


that or which cannot refer to tiving things and in this case 'non-Hispanic Whites '
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A and B can be eliminated easily for " which" - here 'which' can refer to California and give nonsensical meaning

C is out because of "that"- That can indicate California.

E- is out for the use of "it". There is no clear referent for "it" and meaning issue which has already been discussed. Here "it" may refer to "half the population" not only "population"

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Can anyone explain why THAT in option C makes the choice incorrect?


that or which cannot refer to tiving things and in this case 'non-Hispanic Whites '



Yes true. But I have seen a prep question in which "that" is used to indicate human being. And Sometimes "that" can used to refer to human being. But very rare. I can't remember the question but I am sure that I have seen.

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Can anyone explain why THAT in option C makes the choice incorrect?


that or which cannot refer to tiving things and in this case 'non-Hispanic Whites '



Yes true. But I have seen a prep question in which "that" is used to indicate human being. And Sometimes "that" can used to refer to human being. But very rare. I can't remember the question but I am sure that I have seen.


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It was a prep question. I have practised a lot of prep question and I forgot where the question is now. Ron from MGMAT has also comment on this question. At this moent I can't share it. But I will do if I get it again. I saw only one question from prep like that. So it is rare case and not common.

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A B and C have already been ruled out. Between D and E, I choose D.
If you closely look at E, you will find 'IT' has been used. Now in spoken english, you might easily figure out that 'IT' referes to population, but GMAT counts this use of 'IT' as invalid.

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Can anyone explain why THAT in option C makes the choice incorrect?

Hi Soumya, that in C is used as demonstrative pronoun, in the sense that that is actually pointing to the fact that non-Hispanic Whites are officially a minority in California.

While there is meaning issue with this usage, the easier way to eliminate this is that whenever that is used as a demonstrative pronoun, that must be immediately followed by a noun; so basically that should be used as an adjective. In option C, that is not followed by a noun and hence, can be eliminated easily.

For example, following hypothetical sentence (non-GMAT like) is better:

Recently a survey found that non-Hispanic Whites are officially a minority in California, and that survey was made public.

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that or which cannot refer to living things and in this case 'non-Hispanic Whites '

Yes indeed this could be another interpretation.

Adding to what Chetan mentions, even if we interpret it this way (that referring to non-Hispanic Whites), C would still be incorrect because of subject-verb agreement issues, since C says: ...and that amounts to.

So, if that is referring to non-Hispanic Whites, the sentence would be: ...and non-Hispanic Whites amounts to.

Since non-Hispanic Whites is clearly plural, we cannot use a singular verb amounts.
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For the first time in the modern era, non-Hispanic Whites are officially a minority in California, which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from nearly three-quarters only a decade ago.

A. which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from nearly three-quarters only a decade ago

B. which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from a decade ago, when it was nearly three-quarters

C. and that amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from a decade ago, when they were nearly three-quarters

D. amounting to a little less than half the population of the state, down from nearly three-quarters a decade ago

E. amounting to a little less than half the population of the state, down from what it was a decade ago by nearly three-quarters


Hi Egmat,

Meaning analysis: the sentence says that the population of non hispanic whites is a little less than 50% population and this current population was 75% a decade back.

Error analysis:

Can you please clarify the below doubts:

1. Since relative pronouns can modify a far away noun. Isn't it possible for which to modify minority in the parent sentence.
2. What does the phrase down from nearly three quarters modifies.

Also, if you could do a complete analysis of other answer choices post clearing my doubts.

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For the first time in the modern era, non-Hispanic Whites are officially a minority in California, which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from nearly three-quarters only a decade ago.

A. which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from nearly three-quarters only a decade ago

B. which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from a decade ago, when it was nearly three-quarters

C. and that amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from a decade ago, when they were nearly three-quarters

D. amounting to a little less than half the population of the state, down from nearly three-quarters a decade ago

E. amounting to a little less than half the population of the state, down from what it was a decade ago by nearly three-quarters

Hi Egmat,

Meaning analysis: the sentence says that the population of non hispanic whites is a little less than 50% population and this current population was 75% a decade back.

Error analysis:

Can you please clarify the below doubts:

1. Since relative pronouns can modify a far away noun. Isn't it possible for which to modify minority in the parent sentence.
2. What does the phrase down from nearly three quarters modifies.

Also, if you could do a complete analysis of other answer choices post clearing my doubts.


Hi Nishat,

Thanks for posting your doubt here. :-)

1. In Choice A and B, which cannot refer jump over in California to modify a minority because in California actually modifies the verb are. We can very well place this modifier right before the subject of the main clause, and the sentence will still give the intended meaning. Hence, the far away noun modification does not work in these two choices.

2. The phrase down from nearly three-quarters a decade ago, another prepositional phrase modifies the noun entity a little less than half the population of the state. It is the current population that is down.

Hope this helps. :-)
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For the first time in the modern era, non-Hispanic Whites are officially a minority in California, which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from nearly three-quarters only a decade ago.

A. which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from nearly three-quarters only a decade ago

B. which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from a decade ago, when it was nearly three-quarters

C. and that amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from a decade ago, when they were nearly three-quarters

D. amounting to a little less than half the population of the state, down from nearly three-quarters a decade ago

E. amounting to a little less than half the population of the state, down from what it was a decade ago by nearly three-quarters

Hi Egmat,

Meaning analysis: the sentence says that the population of non hispanic whites is a little less than 50% population and this current population was 75% a decade back.

Error analysis:

Can you please clarify the below doubts:

1. Since relative pronouns can modify a far away noun. Isn't it possible for which to modify minority in the parent sentence.
2. What does the phrase down from nearly three quarters modifies.

Also, if you could do a complete analysis of other answer choices post clearing my doubts.


Hi Nishat,

Thanks for posting your doubt here. :-)

1. In Choice A and B, which cannot refer jump over in California to modify a minority because in California actually modifies the verb are. We can very well place this modifier right before the subject of the main clause, and the sentence will still give the intended meaning. Hence, the far away noun modification does not work in these two choices.

2. The phrase down from nearly three-quarters a decade ago, another prepositional phrase modifies the noun entity a little less than half the population of the state. It is the current population that is down.

Hope this helps. :-)
Thanks.
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Please confirm if my analysis of other options is correct:
a and b. As you mentioned because A and B have which and it modifies California therefore it is incorrect. Also, in B the phrase down from a decade ago changes the meaning hence incorrect.
c. 2 errors. It removes the causality and places them as 2 diffrent clauses giving equal weightage. Also, similarly the phrase down from a decade ago changes the meaning
e. down from what it was a decade ago by nearly three-quarters. Here it has no antecedent. This is wordy and unclear.

Please confirm if I am right.

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For the first time in the modern era, non-Hispanic Whites are officially a minority in California, which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from nearly three-quarters only a decade ago.

A. which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from nearly three-quarters only a decade ago

B. which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from a decade ago, when it was nearly three-quarters

C. and that amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from a decade ago, when they were nearly three-quarters

D. amounting to a little less than half the population of the state, down from nearly three-quarters a decade ago

E. amounting to a little less than half the population of the state, down from what it was a decade ago by nearly three-quarters



Please confirm if my analysis of other options is correct:
a and b. As you mentioned because A and B have which and it modifies California therefore it is incorrect. Also, in B the phrase down from a decade ago changes the meaning hence incorrect.
c. 2 errors. It removes the causality and places them as 2 diffrent clauses giving equal weightage. Also, similarly the phrase down from a decade ago changes the meaning
e. down from what it was a decade ago by nearly three-quarters. Here it has no antecedent. This is wordy and unclear.

Please confirm if I am right.



Hi Nishat,

Yes, for most part, your analysis is correct. In choice C, usage of that is incorrect as that cannot refer to a clause. So I would not say that this choice removes the causality. I would say that this choice presents the causality in an ungrammatical manner.

Hope this helps. :-)
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For the first time in the modern era, non-Hispanic Whites are officially a minority in California, which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from nearly three-quarters only a decade ago.

A. which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from nearly three-quarters only a decade ago

B. which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from a decade ago, when it was nearly three-quarters

C. and that amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from a decade ago, when they were nearly three-quarters

D. amounting to a little less than half the population of the state, down from nearly three-quarters a decade ago

E. amounting to a little less than half the population of the state, down from what it was a decade ago by nearly three-quarters

Hi Egmat,

Meaning analysis: the sentence says that the population of non hispanic whites is a little less than 50% population and this current population was 75% a decade back.

Error analysis:

Can you please clarify the below doubts:

1. Since relative pronouns can modify a far away noun. Isn't it possible for which to modify minority in the parent sentence.
2. What does the phrase down from nearly three quarters modifies.

Also, if you could do a complete analysis of other answer choices post clearing my doubts.


Hi Nishat,

Thanks for posting your doubt here. :-)

1. In Choice A and B, which cannot refer jump over in California to modify a minority because in California actually modifies the verb are. We can very well place this modifier right before the subject of the main clause, and the sentence will still give the intended meaning. Hence, the far away noun modification does not work in these two choices.

2. The phrase down from nearly three-quarters a decade ago, another prepositional phrase modifies the noun entity a little less than half the population of the state. It is the current population that is down.

Hope this helps. :-)
Thanks.
Shraddha



How come is "down from nearly three-quarters...." a prepositional phrase? It seems like an adjective to me but I don't understand what does it modify then? Please clarify.

Thanks :).

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that or which cannot refer to tiving things and in this case 'non-Hispanic Whites '



Yes true. But I have seen a prep question in which "that" is used to indicate human being. And Sometimes "that" can used to refer to human being. But very rare. I can't remember the question but I am sure that I have seen.


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Hi,

that is very commonly used in daily language to refer to human beings. But GMAT has categorically stated that 'that' can't refer to either humans on animals with names. So even if you hear it in daily lingo, GMAT has stated it as wrong. And so we have to take it with a grain of salt
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Just to be clear, if "amounting" wasn't an option, "which" would have worked because "which" can refer to both the noun directly preceding it and the "base" noun according to the GMAC(w w w.manhattanprep.c o m/gmat/forums/usage-of-which-t746-15 .h tml#p104933). However, in this case, "amounting" is preferred because it refers to the whole clause before it and gets rid of any ambiguity.

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For the first time in the modern era, non-Hispanic Whites are officially a minority in California, which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from nearly there-quarters only a decade ago.

A. which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from nearly three-quarters only a decade ago
B. which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from a decade ago, when it was nearly three-quarters
C. and that amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from a decade ago, when they were nearly three-quarters
D. amounting to a little less than half the population of the state, down from nearly three-quarters a decade ago
E. amounting to a little less than half the population of the state, down from what it was a decade ago by nearly three-quarters


In option C, presence of "and" makes both parts (either side of the and) parallel and equally important, but if you look at the meaning they are not logically parallel. non-Hispanic Whites are minority, since they amount to less the half of the state populations.

So correct option is D.

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For the first time in the modern era, non-Hispanic Whites are officially a minority in California, which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from nearly there-quarters only a decade ago.

A. which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from nearly three-quarters only a decade ago
B. which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from a decade ago, when it was nearly three-quarters
C. and that amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from a decade ago, when they were nearly three-quarters
D. amounting to a little less than half the population of the state, down from nearly three-quarters a decade ago
E. amounting to a little less than half the population of the state, down from what it was a decade ago by nearly three-quarters


For the first time in the modern era, non-Hispanic Whites are officially a minority in California, which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from nearly there-quarters only a decade ago.

A. which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from nearly three-quarters only a decade ago ----->ILLOGICALLY describing California
B. which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from a decade ago, when it was nearly three-quarters ------->Same as A,ILLOGICALLY describing California
C. and that amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from a decade ago, when they were nearly three-quarters ------>Parellel error,INCORRECT
D. amounting to a little less than half the population of the state, down from nearly three-quarters a decade ago ---->CORRECT,"A little less than half" is compared to "nearly three-quarters".
E. amounting to a little less than half the population of the state, down from what it was a decade ago by nearly three-quarters
------> meaning error,"it" can modify either the subject of the sentence or a noun that's closer
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...California,which

-->> Here, California does not amount..
The Population does...
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For the first time in the modern era, non-Hispanic Whites are officially a minority in
California, which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from
nearly there-quarters only a decade ago.

A. which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from
nearly three-quarters only a decade ago
B. which amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from a
decade ago
, when it was nearly three-quarters
C. and that amounts to a little less than half the population of the state, down from a
decade ago
, when they were nearly three-quarters
D. amounting to a little less than half the population of the state, down from nearly
three-quarters a decade ago
E. amounting to a little less than half the population of the state, down from what it
was a decade ago by nearly three-quarters


between D and E, I choose E. E is wordy but seems more clear.


Cany anyone help me what wrong with "which" in A, and B?. I think "which amounts" here functions the same as "amounting".

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