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Can someone explain the answer for question 3.

If I were to read the quoted text, the passage doesn't explicitly differentiate between 'some' or 'most' bourgeois feminists, so how can A be the answer?

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takeTWO Read the highlighted part in the 2nd para

"In fact, at the First All-Russian Women's Congress in 1908, most participants advocated maternity insurance and paid maternity leave, although the intense hostility between some socialists and bourgeois feminists at the Congress made it difficult for them to recognize these areas of agreement"

This means that almost all the members of both the factions *agreed* on having "maternity insurance". The question asks us to identify a point of *disagreement*.

Lets look at the 1st paragraph:

Historians have identified two dominant currents in the Russian women's movement of the late tsarist period. "Bourgeois" feminism, so called by its more radical opponents, emphasized "individualist" feminist goals such as access to education, career opportunities, and legal equality."Socialist" feminists, by contrast, emphasized class, rather than gender, as the principal source of women's inequality and oppression, and socialist revolution, not legal reform, as the only road to emancipation and equality.
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Can someone explain the answer for question 3.

If I were to read the quoted text, the passage doesn't explicitly differentiate between 'some' or 'most' bourgeois feminists, so how can A be the answer?

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takeTWO Read the highlighted part in the 2nd para

"In fact, at the First All-Russian Women's Congress in 1908, most participants advocated maternity insurance and paid maternity leave, although the intense hostility between some socialists and bourgeois feminists at the Congress made it difficult for them to recognize these areas of agreement"

This means that almost all the members of both the factions *agreed* on having "maternity insurance". The question asks us to identify a point of *disagreement*.

Lets look at the 1st paragraph:

Historians have identified two dominant currents in the Russian women's movement of the late tsarist period. "Bourgeois" feminism, so called by its more radical opponents, emphasized "individualist" feminist goals such as access to education, career opportunities, and legal equality."Socialist" feminists, by contrast, emphasized class, rather than gender, as the principal source of women's inequality and oppression, and socialist revolution, not legal reform, as the only road to emancipation and equality.


Hey ameyaprabhu

Even I made the same mistake and selected the incorrect answer choice in Q3

The catch is in the question itself which we didn't read clearly

According to the passage, Russian socialists within the women's movement and most bourgeois feminists disagreed about which of the following?

The women's movement is only given in the first para, you don't even need to look at the second paragraph. Hence answer should be A as you rightly highlighted in the first paragraph

On another note, in the second para the two groups disagreed over maternity insurance
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although the intense hostility between some socialists and bourgeois feminists at the Congress made it difficult for them to recognize these areas of agreement

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New post 23 Aug 2017, 23:57
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6 mins all correct. Easy one. Let me know if there are any doubts.

Hi

I am still not able to Conclude that for 3rd question the answer is A
From these lines from Para

Historians have identified two dominant currents in the Russian women's movement of the late tsarist period. "Bourgeois" feminism, so called by its more radical opponents, emphasized "individualist" feminist goals such as access to education, career opportunities, and legal equality."Socialist" feminists, by contrast, emphasized class, rather than gender, as the principal source of women's inequality and oppression, and socialist revolution, not legal reform, as the only road to emancipation and equality.

From My understanding Only Socialist is disagree with Legal reform.

I also want some one to help me in solving detail question as I face very tough to find the that particular detail from Question to passage and it take lot of time and that is the reason i take so much time in detailed question, Any strategy I should follow.
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Hi GMATNinjaTwo, Could you help with question 3?

According to the passage, Russian socialists within the women's movement and most bourgeois feminists disagreed about which of the following?

A. Whether legal reform was central to the achievement of feminist goals
B. Whether paid employment was important for the achievement of equality
C. Whether maternity insurance was desirable for working mothers
D. Whether working mothers faced obstacles
E. Whether women's emancipation should be subordinated to the liberation of the Russian population
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Hi GMATNinjaTwo, Could you help with question 3?

According to the passage, Russian socialists within the women's movement and most bourgeois feminists disagreed about which of the following?

A. Whether legal reform was central to the achievement of feminist goals
B. Whether paid employment was important for the achievement of equality
C. Whether maternity insurance was desirable for working mothers
D. Whether working mothers faced obstacles
E. Whether women's emancipation should be subordinated to the liberation of the Russian population

In the first paragraph, we are told that "Bourgeois" feminists emphasized "individualist" feminist goals such as legal equality. This implies that the BFs wanted legal reform in order to attain legal equality. In other words, legal equality did not exist, so the BFs wanted changes (reform) to move towards legal equality.

"Socialist" feminists, by contrast, emphasized socialist revolution, not legal reform, as the only road to emancipation and equality. This implies that the SFs did not think legal reform was central to their goals as feminists.

So BFs wanted legal equality (i.e. legal reform), while the SFs did NOT emphasize legal reform. Thus, the two groups disagreed about whether legal reform was central to achievement of feminists goals.

(A) is the best answer.
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Maternalism and Child Welfare in Late Imperial Russia
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Can you please clarify my process in PoE?

1. The passage is primarily concerned with

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(A) identifying points of agreement between two groups

We are not merely identifying points of agreement.

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(C) contrasting two approaches to solving a political problem

Yes , two approaches are mentioned in passage to solve women emancipation.

2. The passage suggests that socialists within the Russian women's movement and most bourgeois feminists believed that in Russia

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(C) the emancipation of women would ultimately bring about the liberation of the entire Russian population from political oppression


Inferred from below part:
Finally, socialist feminists and most bourgeois feminists concurred in subordinating women's emancipation to what they considered the more important goal of liberating the entire Russian population from political oppression, economic backwardness, and social injustice.
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(B) the achievement of larger political aims should take precedence over the achievement of women's rights

Where is this mentioned in passage / how do I infer this?
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Can you please clarify my process in PoE?

1. The passage is primarily concerned with

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(A) identifying points of agreement between two groups

We are not merely identifying points of agreement.

Quote:
(C) contrasting two approaches to solving a political problem

Yes , two approaches are mentioned in passage to solve women emancipation.

Indeed, the passage mentions two approaches. But you need to think about the purpose of the passage, not just the content of the passage.

The first paragraph explains the differences between the two groups, as identified by historians. Then the author opens the second paragraph with, "However, despite antagonism between bourgeois feminists and socialist feminists, the two movements shared certain underlying beliefs." The rest of the second paragraph describes these shared beliefs.

So think about the structure of the passage:

  • Historians have identified two groups. Here's what separates those two groups.
  • However, despite some conflict between the two groups, they actually had a lot in common, such as...

Is the author just trying to tell us that the groups are different? No.. this is already know (i.e. by historians). The author wants us to realize that those two groups actually had things in common, despite their differences. The author's primary purpose is to to identify the "points of agreement" between the two groups. So (A) is the best answer.


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2. The passage suggests that socialists within the Russian women's movement and most bourgeois feminists believed that in Russia

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(C) the emancipation of women would ultimately bring about the liberation of the entire Russian population from political oppression


Inferred from below part:
Finally, socialist feminists and most bourgeois feminists concurred in subordinating women's emancipation to what they considered the more important goal of liberating the entire Russian population from political oppression, economic backwardness, and social injustice.
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(B) the achievement of larger political aims should take precedence over the achievement of women's rights

Where is this mentioned in passage / how do I infer this?

The portion you highlighted in blue actually tells us why the answer is (B), not (C): "Finally, socialist feminists and most bourgeois feminists concurred in subordinating women's emancipation to what they considered the more important goal of liberating the entire Russian population from political oppression, economic backwardness, and social injustice."

Both groups agreed that women's emancipation should be made secondary (i.e. subordinated) to liberating the entire Russian population from...

In other words, the two groups agreed that liberating Russians from political oppression, economic backwardness, and social injustice ("larger political aims") was a more important goal than emancipating women ("achievement of women's rights").

The author does NOT say that the emancipation of women would LEAD TO the liberation of the entire Russian population from political oppression, so (C) should be eliminated.
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Would anyone please explain question 3 ; how can I be able to eliminate the option C for that despite getting notion from " In fact, at the First All-Russian Women's Congress in 1908, most participants advocated maternity insurance and paid maternity leave, although the intense hostility between some socialists and bourgeois feminists at the Congress made it difficult for them to recognize these areas of agreement. "

For question 2 ' Should ' - Extreme word but taken as correct.

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7 mins. All Correct. Question 2 is tricky. :)


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I took 7 min to mark all correct.
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Is the 700-level tag correct for this passage?
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Would anyone please explain question 3 ; how can I be able to eliminate the option C for that despite getting notion from " In fact, at the First All-Russian Women's Congress in 1908, most participants advocated maternity insurance and paid maternity leave, although the intense hostility between some socialists and bourgeois feminists at the Congress made it difficult for them to recognize these areas of agreement. "

For question 2 ' Should ' - Extreme word but taken as correct.

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3. According to the passage, Russian socialists within the women's movement and most bourgeois feminists disagreed about which of the following?

(A) Whether legal reform was central to the achievement of feminist goals

(B) Whether paid employment was important for the achievement of equality

(C) Whether maternity insurance was desirable for working mothers

(D) Whether working mothers faced obstacles

(E) Whether women's emancipation should be subordinated to the liberation of the Russian population

soumya170293, you are looking at the right part of the passage: "Both groups also recognized the enormous difficulties women faced when they combined paid labor with motherhood. In fact, at the First All-Russian Women's Congress in 1908, most participants advocated maternity insurance and paid maternity leave, although the intense hostility between some socialists and bourgeois feminists at the Congress made it difficult for them to recognize these areas of agreement."

This portion directly tells us that MOST participants (i.e. from both groups) advocated maternity insurance. This was one of the "areas of agreement". Although it was difficult for them to recognize that this was an area of agreement, both groups largely advocated maternity insurance. So they would NOT disagree about (C).

Since we are looking for a point of disagreement, (C) should be eliminated. For further explanation of this question, see this post.

As for #2...

First of all, I wouldn't consider "should" to be very extreme. It is indeed an important word to notice, but something like "must" would be much stronger language.

Regardless, you should NOT be under the impression that strong/extreme language = wrong answer. This is a common misconception, but it is not valid at all. You should definitely notice strong language and think really hard about how it affects the meaning of the answer choice. However, an answer with strong language could very well be the correct answer.

For more on the topic of strong language, check out this thread.
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Is the 700-level tag correct for this passage?

If I'm not mistaken, the difficulty tags are automatically generated on GMAT Club, based on how people perform using the timers. The GMAT doesn't tell us the difficulty levels of any of the GMATPrep questions, so there's no way to know what the actual difficulty is, sadly. It does look like the error rate is pretty high on this set of questions, so I wouldn't be surprised if the tag is reasonably accurate in this case.
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