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Despite going through the whole thread, i'm stuck on one specific point about option E. I can see why E is wrong because of the usage of "more than" but I picked E because of "heating-oil prices will rise higher this year than last year's..."

I felt that "year's" had to be a possessive because we are saying that " oil prices will rise higher this year than last year's oil prices" and we are NOT saying that "prices will higher than last year" because that would mean that we are comparing prices to year which is illogical.

For the most part, if last year's had to be correct, there should have been a similar structure on the left hand side of the comparison operator (than); something along the following lines:

...this year's heating-oil prices are expected to be higher than last year's...

Also, there is a significant meaning change that E introduces; original sentence is not talking about how much prices will rise this year (as E suggests); original sentence talks about how much the prices are expected to be this year.
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The crux of the problem lies in the fact that we are comparing what refiners are paying this year with what they were paying last year. Here the 'paying' part is elided in the second arm. Please note the parallelism of progressive tense ‘are paying’ and ‘were paying’ in choices A and D.
Therefore, all choices that use the simple past tense ‘did’ are out. Between A and D, D has a problem of saying on one hand that it is an expectation and then a categorical 'will be higher'. Both are antithetical.
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Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year.

(A) Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were
(B) Heating-oil prices are expected to rise higher this year over last because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did
(C) Expectations are for heating-oil prices to be higher this year than last year's because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did
(d) It is the expectation that heating-oil prices will be higher for this year over last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil now than what they were
(E) It is expected that heating-oil prices will rise higher this year than last year's because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did



i have a doubt here...

If the original sentence were to read as below ,would that be correct?

Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they did last year?
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Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year.

(A) Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were
(B) Heating-oil prices are expected to rise higher this year over last because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did
(C) Expectations are for heating-oil prices to be higher this year than last year's because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did
(d) It is the expectation that heating-oil prices will be higher for this year over last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil now than what they were
(E) It is expected that heating-oil prices will rise higher this year than last year's because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did



i have a doubt here...

If the original sentence were to read as below ,would that be correct?

Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they did last year?
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Yes, simple past (did = paid) instead of past continuous (were paying) would also be alright. Note that in option A past continuous has been used ("were paying" - "paying" is omitted).
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papillon86 wrote:
Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year.

(A) Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were
(B) Heating-oil prices are expected to rise higher this year over last because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did
(C) Expectations are for heating-oil prices to be higher this year than last year's because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did
(d) It is the expectation that heating-oil prices will be higher for this year over last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil now than what they were
(E) It is expected that heating-oil prices will rise higher this year than last year's because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did



>what is the difference between "this year than last" and "this year over last "
>In A, it is written that '' to be higher this year than last...... What? Should not it be last year in the blank?
>also, what is the problem in 'year's'?

N.B.: This thread is also seen in the another link, which makes us confused to make comments. So, can you please merge this two links so that we can make our comments without any hesitation? Thanks...

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1. Since there is a comparative adjective ("higher"), "than" must be used.
2. It is alright to omit the repeated words from the second element of parallel items, if the meaning is not obscured.
3. "Prices are expected to be higher this year than last year's (prices)": Parallelism error - the correct statement is:
"Prices are expected to be higher this year than (prices) last (year)". The words in brackets are omitted as explained in point 2 above.
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I do not follow the explanation for this question.

Can somebody please explain why this sentence is correct (original)?

Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year.
My doubts are in these two phrases: "this year than last" and " more for crude oil than they were last year "

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Dear spc11,
I'm happy to respond. :-)

My friend, you may find some answer to your question in the thread above, but I am happy to discuss this as well. One very tricky issue, particularly difficult for folks whose native language is something other than English, is the issue of dropping repeated words in the second branch of parallelism. See this blog article:
Dropping Common Words in Parallel on the GMAT

Consider an expanded version of the sentence:
Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than the heating oil prices last year because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were paying for a barrel of crude oil last year.
That is the whole sentence, with absolutely nothing omitted, so that everything is perfectly clear. The GMAT would consider this completely redundant and much longer than necessary, because every single word in red is repeated. The words in red are words in the second branch or the parallelism that already appeared in the first branch. From the GMAT's point of view, it is redundant to repeat information in the second branch that we already know form the first branch. Thus, the GMAT recommends dropping all the words in red: when we do that, we get the prompt version, choice (A), of this SC problem, a sleek and elegant sentence. The GMAT loves elegance.

Your job on the GMAT SC is to see a sentence with the words already omitted in the second branch of parallelism and to figure out what words from the first branch would be needed to make sense of the second branch.

Does all this make sense?
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shouldn't "last year's" in option C indicates last year oil prices...??
how can the oil prices of this year be compared with only last year???
I am a little bit confused... please explain
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shouldn't "last year's" in option C indicates last year oil prices...??
how can the oil prices of this year be compared with only last year???
I am a little bit confused... please explain



Hello sajon,

I will be glad to help you with this one. :-)

From the context of the sentence, Choice C does suggest that the comparison is between the this year's price and last year's price.

But the grammar used to present this intended comparison is not correct. We can express the comparison in either way as follows:

oil prices will be higher this year than last year.

this year's oil price will be higher than last year's.



But Choice C uses a kind of mix of these two expressions. Usage of last year's is incorrect because the sentence does NOT use the expression this year's price.



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Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year.


(B) Heating-oil prices are expected to rise higher this year over last because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did

(C) Expectations are for heating-oil prices to be higher this year than last year's because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did

(D) It is the expectation that heating-oil prices will be higher this year over last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil now than what they were

(E) It is the expected that heating-oil prices will rise higher this year than last year's because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did

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why option A omitted word "year" :? i would add word "year" in option A, that way it looks more complete ? :)

(A) Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last year because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were

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why option A omitted word "year" :? i would add word "year" in option A, that way it looks more complete ? :)

(A) Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last year because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were

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Hello dave13,


Well, this omission is called ellipses, a concept that is used quite often in sentences testing comparison. Words already used in a sentence is kept understood in the second part of comparison to maintain conciseness and avoid repetition.

The word year is omitted because this omission does not lead to any ambiguity in comparison. The sentence still clearly conveys that the intended comparison is between the heating oil prices this year and heating-oil prices last year.


Hope this helps. :-)
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I am confused with the use of "than". I will try to elaborate my confusion with official examples.

OG 19 - 758.

Prices at the producer level are only 1.3 percent higher now than a year ago and are going down, even though floods in the Midwest and drought in the south are hurting crops and therefore raised corn and soybean prices.

(A) than a year ago and are going down, even though floods in the Midwest and drought in the south are hurting crops and therefore raised

According to the OG explanantion this comparison in (A) is INCORRECT because it seems to be comparing the "prices" to "last year" which is illogical.
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OG 19 - 772. (this question)

Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year.

(A) Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were

According to OG this comparison is CORRECT.


I fail to see the difference between the two and why one is correct and the other incorrect.
Please help me clarify this egmat GMATNinja sayantanc2k mikemcgarry
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Interesting observation, would like to hear from the experts...technically I find Prices comparison legitimate but the last portion " and therefore raised corn and soybean prices" to be problematic.
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I am confused with the use of "than". I will try to elaborate my confusion with official examples.

OG 19 - 758.

Prices at the producer level are only 1.3 percent higher now than a year ago and are going down, even though floods in the Midwest and drought in the south are hurting crops and therefore raised corn and soybean prices.

(A) than a year ago and are going down, even though floods in the Midwest and drought in the south are hurting crops and therefore raised

According to the OG explanantion this comparison in (A) is INCORRECT because it seems to be comparing the "prices" to "last year" which is illogical.
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OG 19 - 772. (this question)

Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year.

(A) Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were

According to OG this comparison is CORRECT.


I fail to see the difference between the two and why one is correct and the other incorrect.
Please help me clarify this egmat GMATNinja sayantanc2k mikemcgarry
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I am confused with the use of "than". I will try to elaborate my confusion with official examples.

OG 19 - 758.

Prices at the producer level are only 1.3 percent higher now than a year ago and are going down, even though floods in the Midwest and drought in the south are hurting crops and therefore raised corn and soybean prices.

(A) than a year ago and are going down, even though floods in the Midwest and drought in the south are hurting crops and therefore raised

According to the OG explanantion this comparison in (A) is INCORRECT because it seems to be comparing the "prices" to "last year" which is illogical.
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OG 19 - 772. (this question)

Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year.

(A) Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were

According to OG this comparison is CORRECT.


I fail to see the difference between the two and why one is correct and the other incorrect.

Great observation, blitzkriegxX. And I'm afraid that your question doesn't really have a great answer.

So here's a crappy-but-honest answer: the OG explanations are actually not very good. The people who write the OG explanations are generally random contractors who are NOT affiliated with GMAC in any way. (I interviewed an OG explanation-writer once. She was a long, long way from being an expert on the GMAT.) The questions that appear in the OGs are generally written years -- or even decades -- before they're released to the general public. So whoever writes the explanations is left to guess what the original question-writers' intent was.

That's why we see so many flaws in the explanations. There's a lot of lazy stuff in the OGs. For example, answer choices are often dismissed as "awkward", and that means basically nothing, since TONS of correct answers are pretty darned awkward. And if you look hard enough, you'll find plenty of contradictions from one question to the next -- for example, an idiom dismissed as "awkward" in one question might be identified as correct in another. :idontknow:

Back to answer choice (A) from the question from the other thread:

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Prices at the producer level are only 1.3 percent higher now than a year ago and are going down, even though floods in the Midwest and drought in the south are hurting crops and therefore raised corn and soybean prices.

I think the OG explanation is garbage here. The comparison you identified ("prices... are only 1.3 percent higher now than a year ago...") seems perfectly decent to me. But as pk123 mentioned, the verb tenses are a problem: "floods... and drought... are hurting crops and therefore raised... prices." Why the heck would those two things be in different tenses? It's saying that floods and draught raised prices in the past, but "are hurting crops" right now. That's nonsense.

To be fair, the correct answer changes the comparison to something that's arguably a little bit clearer: "prices are higher... than THOSE a year ago..." I just don't think that the comparison is the biggest factor, and the OG did a lousy job of communicating that.

Bottom line: take OG explanations with a grain of salt, because they're far from perfect.

I'm sure that this is among the least-satisfying things you've ever read on GMAT Club, but I hope it helps a bit, anyway!
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There's a typo in answer choice E.
(E) It is the expected --> (E) It is expected
There's no the in the actual answer choice in the OG 2019.
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I don't understand why are we not repeating the word prices again after last year. Is the comparison between years or prices or prices in years. If it is prices in different years then shouldn't price be repeated?
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But for whatever it’s worth: “they” still seems to refer perfectly reasonably to “refiners.” And the word “did” replaces the verb “pay” (or “paid”, since “did” is past tense). So those things are OK.


Hi GMATNinja generis
As per Manhattan SC guide
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The first instance of the verb should usually match the helping verb in tense. If you need to change tenses, repeat the whole verb in the new tense.
Wrong: I have never seen an aardvark, but last year my father DID.
Right: I have never seen an aardvark, but last year my father saw one.


So if we use the same principle in the options B, C, & E.
B. "did" can be replaced by "pay"
C. "did" can be replaced by "are paying"
E. "did" can be replaced by "pay"
and that is incorrect. As per meaning of the sentence, we need "were paying" in the last part of the sentence.

What is the gap in my understanding?

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Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year.


(A) Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were

(B) Heating-oil prices are expected to rise higher this year over last because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did

(C) Expectations are for heating-oil prices to be higher this year than last year's because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did

(D) It is the expectation that heating-oil prices will be higher this year over last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil now than what they were

(E) It is the expected that heating-oil prices will rise higher this year than last year's because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did

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GMATNinja wrote:

But for whatever it’s worth: “they” still seems to refer perfectly reasonably to “refiners.” And the word “did” replaces the verb “pay” (or “paid”, since “did” is past tense). So those things are OK.

Hi GMATNinja generis
As per Manhattan SC guide
Quote:
The first instance of the verb should usually match the helping verb in tense. If you need to change tenses, repeat the whole verb in the new tense.
Wrong: I have never seen an aardvark, but last year my father DID.
Right: I have never seen an aardvark, but last year my father saw one.

So if we use the same principle in the options B, C, & E.
B. "did" can be replaced by "pay"
C. "did" can be replaced by "are paying"
E. "did" can be replaced by "pay"
and that is incorrect. As per meaning of the sentence, we need "were paying" in the last part of the sentence.

What is the gap in my understanding?

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LordStark , there is no gap in your understanding. (And you are working really hard! I can't keep up with your posts:) )

The book is wrong.

Ron Purewal explains that those particular parts are wrong:

"that's not accurate. in fact, one of the prime uses of helping verbs in parallel constructions is to express the same verb in a different tense.."

we may already have gotten rid of that "rule" in the 5th edition books.


The authors did not get rid of the rule.

Take a look HERE.

The posts by Ron P in the next link are good. They are about helping verbs and the instances in which do, does, or did will work. (Almost always.)

The posts can be found here, on this thread

Finally GMATNinja 's explanation is really good. His explanation is HERE. The did in the other options is a red herring. GMATNinja explained the other options' errors.

HERE is an official question involving the use of did that might help more than this question.

Finally, here is a forum topic thread dedicated to ellipsis and substitution, a discussion that includes mikemcgarry and egmat.

I think that reading those two threads will be much more productive than staying with this one. :-)

Hope that analysis helps.
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Hello Everyone!

Let's tackle this question, one issue at a time, and narrow it down to the correct answer quickly! To start, here is the original question with any major differences between the options highlighted in orange:

Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year.

(A) Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were
(B) Heating-oil prices are expected to rise higher this year over last because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did
(C) Expectations are for heating-oil prices to be higher this year than last year's because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did
(D) It is the expectation that heating-oil prices will be higher this year over last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil now than what they were
(E) It is the expected that heating-oil prices will rise higher this year than last year's because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did

Because almost the entire sentence is underlined here, there is a lot we can focus on:

1. Heating-oil prices... / Expectations are for heating-oil prices... / It is the expectation that heating-oil prices... (Conciseness/Meaning)
2. than last / over last (Idioms/Parallelism)
3. pay / are paying (Verb Tense/Meaning)
4. ...more for crude oil / ...for crude oil more (Parallelism/Meaning/Conciseness)


The first one that will eliminate 2-3 options right away is #2 on our list: than last vs. over last. This is an issue of idiom usage! We know that it's correct to say that one thing is "higher than" another, and that it is NOT okay to say one thing is "higher over" another. Therefore, we can eliminate the options that use "higher over."

(A) Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were
(B) Heating-oil prices are expected to rise higher this year over last because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did
(C) Expectations are for heating-oil prices to be higher this year than last year's because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did
(D) It is the expectation that heating-oil prices will be higher this year over last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil now than what they were
(E) It is the expected that heating-oil prices will rise higher this year than last year's because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did

There you go! We can eliminate options B & D because they don't follow the proper idiom structure "higher than."

The next one that seems easy to tackle is #4 on our list: more for crude oil vs. for crude oil more. Each phrase is grammatically correct, but they mean two completely different things:

...refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil... = The price of each barrel of oil is $5 higher than before.
...refiners are paying about $5 a barrel for crude oil more... = The price of each barrel of oil is only $5, but refiners are paying that $5 more often than before.

It makes more sense to say that the price of a barrel of crude oil increased by $5, rather than saying it's always been $5 and refiners just pay that more often. So let's eliminate the options that mess up the meaning here:

(A) Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were
(C) Expectations are for heating-oil prices to be higher this year than last year's because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did
(E) It is the expected that heating-oil prices will rise higher this year than last year's because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did

There you have it - option A was the correct choice! It uses concise language, correct idioms, and logical meaning! We didn't even have to deal with the other 2 items on our list because we focused on the ones that eliminated 2-3 options at a time.


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Can someone explain how and when do we know about ellipses ? I am still not clear why A is correct. We have to assume lot of things for A to be correct.
Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than (heating-oil prices were) last (year) Parentheses are omitted. --- Why do we assume this? and more than that how do we know about this?
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Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last because refiners are paying about $5 a barrel more for crude oil than they were last year.

(B) Heating-oil prices are expected to rise higher this year over last because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did
(E) It is expected that heating-oil prices will rise higher this year than last year's because refiners pay about $5 a barrel for crude oil more than they did

Is "pay" correct here? I eliminated B & D considering that , "refiners are paying" is superior to "refiners pay". Refiners pay sounds as if refiners are always paying 5 dollars more.(Kinda Universal truth).

Is my reasoning correct?
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