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Economist wrote: If xy ≠ 0, is x > y?
(1) 4x = 3y
(2) y  x = x  y I'm getting B 1. 4x = 3y 4/3x = y if x = 3 y = 4 so yes if x = 3 y =  4 so no not sufficient 2. y  x = x  y y  x = x  y 2x = 2y x=y so answer is no y + x = xy 0=0 answer is no sufficient



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Economist wrote: If xy ≠ 0, is x > y?
(1) 4x = 3y
(2) y  x = x  y B 1. 4x=3y if we take x=1 then y = 4/3 and we get x>y as No if we take x=3 then y= 4 then x>y is Yes hence insuff 2. Considering x and y have different value,mod value will always be +ve so xy = some +ve number.hence x>y. Suff
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kp1811 wrote: Economist wrote: If xy ≠ 0, is x > y?
(1) 4x = 3y
(2) y  x = x  y B 1. 4x=3y if we take x=1 then y = 4/3 and we get x>y as No if we take x=3 then y= 4 then x>y is Yes hence insuff 2. mod value will always be +ve so xy = some +ve number.hence x>y. Suff i got the answer but where is my logic off on statement 2? what if x = 3 and y = 3?



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Economist wrote: If xy ≠ 0, is x > y?
(1) 4x = 3y
(2) y  x = x  y This is a good one. +1 Economist for it. If xy ≠ 0, is x > y?Question asks whether \(x>y\)? (1) 4x = 3y > \(x=\frac{3}{4}y\), well this one is relatively easy. This statement only tells that x and y have the same sign. When they are both positive then \(x>y\), BUT when they are both negative \(y>x\). Not sufficient. (2) \(y  x = x  y\) > \(y  x = (yx)\). This means that \(y  x\leq{0}\) > \(x\geq{y}\). Thus, this statement says that x can be more than or equal to y. Not sufficient. (1)+(2) From (1) (\(x=\frac{3}{4}y\)) it follows that \(x\) is not equal to \(y\) (bearing in mind that xy ≠ 0), hence from (2): \(x>y\). Sufficient. Answer: C.
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okay so my answer is wrong..can't figure out what i did wrong on statement 2



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Bunuel wrote: lagomez wrote: okay so my answer is wrong..can't figure out what i did wrong on statement 2
What you missed is that (2) is true not only when x>y but also when x=y. Hence we can not say for sure that x>y, as x >=y. Nor sufficient. so what is the best way to approach a statement like this? i have an absolute value and an equal sign but the question is asking for greater than or less than that always throws me off because had it been yx > xy would have been easier but that equal sign throws me off



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lagomez wrote: 2. y  x = x  y
y  x = x  y 2x = 2y x=y so answer is no
y + x = xy 0=0 answer is no
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One more thing: the red part is not correct. \(y  x = x  y\). Look at the LHS it's absolute value, it's never negative, hence RHS or \(xy\) is never negative, \(xy>=0\) or \(yx<=0\). If so then only one possibility for \(y  x\), it must be \(y+x\). So we'll have: Condition: \(yx<=0\), which is the same as \(x>=y\) And: \(y  x = x  y\)> \(y+x=xy\), > \(0=0\). The above means that \(y  x = x  y\) is always true for \(x>=y\). But as we concluded earlier it's not enough. We need to be sure that \(x>y\). And \(x>=y\) leaves the possibility that they are equal, which is removed with the statement (1) when considering together. Hence C.
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st 1) y=1, x=3/4  false y=1, x=3/4  true Not sufficient st 2) yx =xy> x>y Sufficient coz x = (x) = x  basically a negative numbers should be negated again to get the result for absolute value all the cases as cay that x>y but fails when x=y combining we can answer the question C <didnt consider x=y option, so answered as B >
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chix475ntu wrote: st 1) y=1, x=3/4  false y=1, x=3/4  true Not sufficient st 2) yx =xy> x>y Sufficient coz x = (x) = x  basically a negative numbers should be negated again to get the result for absolute value
B B alone is not sufficient as we dont know whether x=y? So A gives information that x is not = y. So Final ans is C This was nice question...even I would have done the same mistake in the exam..Its really important to think of all the possibilities on the G day.
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dmetla wrote: If xy ≠ 0, is x > y?
(1) 4x = 3y
(2) y  x = x  y Neither of x or y is zero as xy≠0. 1) Now x=(3/4)y so y > x means statement 1 alone is sufficient to answer the question. 2) Using some values for x & y we can find if x>y then statement y  x = x  y is true and if y>x then statement y  x = x  y is not true. Hence statement 2 alone is sufficient to answer question. Either statement is sufficient to answer question so answer is D.



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Given: \(xy\neq0\). Question: is \(x>y\) true? (1) \(4x = 3y\) > if \(x\) and \(y\) are both positive, then \(x<y\) BUT if they are both negative then \(x>y\). Not sufficient. But from this statement we can grasp an important property we'll use while evaluating statements together: as \(xy\neq0\) then from statement (1) \(x\neq{y}\). (2) \(yx=xy\). Now as LHS is absolute value, which is never negative, RHS must also be \(\geq0\) > so \(xy\geq0\) > then \(yx=(yx)\), and we'll get \((yx)=xy\) > \(0=0\), which is true. This means that equation \(yx=xy\) holds true when \(xy\geq0\) or, which is the same, when \(x\geq{y}\). But this not enough as \(x=y\) is still possible. Not sufficient. (1)+(2) From (1) we got that \(x\neq{y}\) and from (2) \(x\geq{y}\), hence \(x>y\). Sufficient. Answer: C. Hope it helps.
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Bunuel wrote: Given: \(xy\neq0\). Question: is \(x>y\) true?
(1) \(4x = 3y\) > if \(x\) and \(y\) are both positive, then \(x<y\) BUT if they are both negative then \(x>y\). Not sufficient. But from this statement we can grasp an important property we'll use while evaluating statements together: as \(xy\neq0\) then from statement (1) \(x\neq{y}\).
(2) \(yx=xy\). Now as LHS is absolute value, which is never negative, RHS must also be \(\geq0\) > so \(xy\geq0\) > then \(yx=(yx)\), and we'll get \((yx)=xy\) > \(0=0\), which is true. This means that equation \(yx=xy\) holds true when \(xy\geq0\) or, which is the same, when \(x\geq{y}\). But this not enough as \(x=y\) is still possible. Not sufficient.
(1)+(2) From (1) we got that \(x\neq{y}\) and from (2) \(x\geq{y}\), hence \(x>y\). Sufficient.
Answer: C.
Hope it helps. Dear Bunuel: I am a bit confused with this problem. I don't have a problem to understand the first statement, but I do have a problem trying to understand the second one.. I saw a user on this thread was solving the second statement as this: 2. y  x = x  y y  x = x  y 2x = 2y x=y y + x = xy 0=0 Isn't his way of solving the correct way to solve this kind of problems? I have seen some other exercises and they always negate the LHS that has the absolute value on it regarding of the inequality symbol or equality. I would like to learn why we are not doing this on this problem. If I am wrong, would you be so kind to revamp the way of solving statement 2, I already read the way you solved it, but it was not 100% clear for me. Thanks in advance.



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Aidhen wrote: Bunuel wrote: Given: \(xy\neq0\). Question: is \(x>y\) true?
(1) \(4x = 3y\) > if \(x\) and \(y\) are both positive, then \(x<y\) BUT if they are both negative then \(x>y\). Not sufficient. But from this statement we can grasp an important property we'll use while evaluating statements together: as \(xy\neq0\) then from statement (1) \(x\neq{y}\).
(2) \(yx=xy\). Now as LHS is absolute value, which is never negative, RHS must also be \(\geq0\) > so \(xy\geq0\) > then \(yx=(yx)\), and we'll get \((yx)=xy\) > \(0=0\), which is true. This means that equation \(yx=xy\) holds true when \(xy\geq0\) or, which is the same, when \(x\geq{y}\). But this not enough as \(x=y\) is still possible. Not sufficient.
(1)+(2) From (1) we got that \(x\neq{y}\) and from (2) \(x\geq{y}\), hence \(x>y\). Sufficient.
Answer: C.
Hope it helps. Dear Bunuel: I am a bit confused with this problem. I don't have a problem to understand the first statement, but I do have a problem trying to understand the second one.. I saw a user on this thread was solving the second statement as this: 2. y  x = x  y y  x = x  y 2x = 2y x=y y + x = xy 0=0 Isn't his way of solving the correct way to solve this kind of problems? I have seen some other exercises and they always negate the LHS that has the absolute value on it regarding of the inequality symbol or equality. I would like to learn why we are not doing this on this problem. If I am wrong, would you be so kind to revamp the way of solving statement 2, I already read the way you solved it, but it was not 100% clear for me. Thanks in advance. There can be many correct ways to solve a questions. Try this one: (2) says that \(yx=(yx)\). We know that \(x=x\), when \(x\leq{0}\), thus \(yx\leq{0}\).
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This I why i am thinking of: 1) Gives us X=3/4Y. But it does not help us to see if X>Y (try some numbers to try) 2) give us X>Y or X = Y !! Therefore we need both statements (Answer C) to answer the question! Is it the OA?
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Economist wrote: If xy ≠ 0, is x > y?
(1) 4x = 3y
(2) y  x = x  y Question is: Is x>y? Statement 1 4x = 3y x/y=3/4 Not sufficient, we need to know their signs Statement 2 y  x = x  y We can rearrange LHS as (y + x) = (xy) So we end up with (xy=xy, meaning that xy>=0 or x>=y Could be equal or could be greater. Insuff Both together, they can't be equal to it is Suff Answer is C Hope it helps Cheers! J




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