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It is as difficult to prevent crimes against property as those that are against a person.

(A) those that are against a
(B) those against a
(C) it is against a
(D) preventing those against a
(E) it is to prevent those against a

I was confused about how ellpisis works , in this question -
For instance - why is C not correct -
It is as difficult to prevent crimes against property as - it is <to prevent crimes> against a person.
Or for that matter -- B
It is as difficult to prevent crimes against property as - <it is difficult to prevent > those against a person.

Apologies about revealing 2 of the wrong ans. choices - but I find the working of ellipsis in this Q very confusing.

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I narrowed to C and E but picked C for the same reasoning as above. Would like to know why C is incorrect. E is correct too but C is concise when compared to E.

It is as difficult to prevent crimes against property as those that are against a person.

(C) it is [to prevent crimes] against a
(E) it is to prevent those [crimes] against a
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it has to be parallel with to prevent so E
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I think we are comparing crimes against property and crimes against person....Hence E.....
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It is as difficult to prevent crimes against property as those that are against a person.

(A) those that are against a
(B) those against a
(C) it is against a
(D) preventing those against a
(E) it is to prevent those against a

I was confused about how ellpisis works , in this question -
For instance - why is C not correct -
It is as difficult to prevent crimes against property as - it is <to prevent crimes> against a person.
Or for that matter -- B
It is as difficult to prevent crimes against property as - <it is difficult to prevent > those against a person.

Apologies about revealing 2 of the wrong ans. choices - but I find the working of ellipsis in this Q very confusing.

Please help!


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In C, the pronoun reference 'it' is not clear. It may refer to "property" making the sentence illogical.
B is too short and confusing.

E very clearly expresses the meaning without any grammatical mistake.
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for me is not clear between C and E.
Please clarify.
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First thing to note here is that the comparison is not between crimes but between the prevention of crimes against a property and the prevention of crimes against a person. Just try and replace the pronouns in each choice with their antecedents and differences will be clear.

(A) Those that are against a—- those - refers to crimes difficult to prevent crimes is being compared with crimes

(B) Those against a -- same as A

(C) It is against a -- It can stand only for property - meaning it is difficult to prevent crimes against property as property is against a person – absurd

(D) Preventing those against a – to prevent is not parallel to preventing.

E. Though wordy, E puts it thread - bare. Here- [highlight]it[/highlight] -holds a place value and hence needs no reference.

Hence E
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I dont follow your explanation of C being wrong.

For me "It" in C, is exactly the same as in E. It has no reference, it is impersonal.

Please, could you explain why you say that "It" in C refers to property?
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First thing to note here is that the comparison is not between crimes but between the prevention of crimes against a property and the prevention of crimes against a person. Just try and replace the pronouns in each choice with their antecedents and differences will be clear.

(A) Those that are against a—- those - refers to crimes difficult to prevent crimes is being compared with crimes

(B) Those against a -- same as A

(C) It is against a -- It can stand only for property - meaning it is difficult to prevent crimes against property as property is against a person – absurd

(D) Preventing those against a – to prevent is not parallel to preventing.

E. Though wordy, E puts it thread - bare. Here- [highlight]it[/highlight] -holds a place value and hence needs no reference.

Hence E

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Originally posted by noboru on 24 Oct 2010, 03:35.
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If the second it is impersonal as in E, then it should take along with all its components of the first. The - to prevent -phrase has been left out, making it nonparallel. Because it is not symmetrically carrying the intended meaning on either sides, we have to take that the second it refers to the property that lies closest to it.
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noboru wrote:
I dont follow your explanation of C being wrong.

For me "It" in C, is exactly the same as in E. It has no reference, it is impersonal.

Please, could you explain why you say that "It" in C refers to property?
Thanks.


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First thing to note here is that the comparison is not between crimes but between the prevention of crimes against a property and the prevention of crimes against a person. Just try and replace the pronouns in each choice with their antecedents and differences will be clear.

(A) Those that are against a—- those - refers to crimes difficult to prevent crimes is being compared with crimes

(B) Those against a -- same as A

(C) It is against a -- It can stand only for property - meaning it is difficult to prevent crimes against property as property is against a person – absurd

(D) Preventing those against a – to prevent is not parallel to preventing.

E. Though wordy, E puts it thread - bare. Here- [highlight]it[/highlight] -holds a place value and hence needs no reference.

Hence E


It is as difficult to prevent crimes against property as those that are against a person.

(A) those that are against a
(B) those against a
(C) it is against a
(D) preventing those against a
(E) it is to prevent those against a

-- Consider Comparative structures - Crimes against property and crime against a person.

How would u add - difficult to prevent for both of these ? --> Consider C - Its trying to add pronoun 'it'. Can this pronoun suffice the need to have parallel comparative structure? No - as 'it' refers to immediate preceding noun - which would mean property.

(E) it is to prevent those against a, those refers to crimes and it is to prevent would be || to the one in original sentence - It is as difficult to prevent

Hope this makes some sense

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My issue here is that I dont understand the difference between the "it" in C and in "E".
Why do you say that in C "it" refers to property and in "E" it does not?
Many thanks in advance.

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noboru wrote:
I dont follow your explanation of C being wrong.

For me "It" in C, is exactly the same as in E. It has no reference, it is impersonal.

Please, could you explain why you say that "It" in C refers to property?
Thanks.


daagh wrote:
First thing to note here is that the comparison is not between crimes but between the prevention of crimes against a property and the prevention of crimes against a person. Just try and replace the pronouns in each choice with their antecedents and differences will be clear.

(A) Those that are against a—- those - refers to crimes difficult to prevent crimes is being compared with crimes

(B) Those against a -- same as A

(C) It is against a -- It can stand only for property - meaning it is difficult to prevent crimes against property as property is against a person – absurd

(D) Preventing those against a – to prevent is not parallel to preventing.

E. Though wordy, E puts it thread - bare. Here- [highlight]it[/highlight] -holds a place value and hence needs no reference.

Hence E


It is as difficult to prevent crimes against property as those that are against a person.

(A) those that are against a
(B) those against a
(C) it is against a
(D) preventing those against a
(E) it is to prevent those against a

-- Consider Comparative structures - Crimes against property and crime against a person.

How would u add - difficult to prevent for both of these ? --> Consider C - Its trying to add pronoun 'it'. Can this pronoun suffice the need to have parallel comparative structure? No - as 'it' refers to immediate preceding noun - which would mean property.

(E) it is to prevent those against a, those refers to crimes and it is to prevent would be || to the one in original sentence - It is as difficult to prevent

Hope this makes some sense

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@ noboru
The original sentence is - It is as difficult to prevent crimes against property as

we have to do comparison. When we use C ( it is against a ), IT is pointing to what - crimes or prevent or difficult? nothing clear. when pronoun does not have clear antecedent, pronoun may refer to immediate antecedent.

however in E (it is to prevent those against a), Comparing with original sentence, the original sentence and E are doing comparison in parallel form. - it is (Difficult) to prevent those (crimes) against a Person

Bottom line - the question wasn't testing pronoun reference. the answer options had to be chosen w.r.t to correct comparative parallel structure.

eg : - it is the way you see things but actually it isn't the same for all. Few sentences like this ( may be an awkward eg) it is used as a pronoun without clear antecedent noun.


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My issue here is that I dont understand the difference between the "it" in C and in "E".
Why do you say that in C "it" refers to property and in "E" it does not?
Many thanks in advance.

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I´m going to give up...

I see why E is the best option. However, I dont understand what's wrong with C!I dont see any difference between both "it"s.

C says: It is as difficult to prevent crimes against property as it is (to prevent crimes is not needed: ellipsis) against a person.

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@ noboru
The original sentence is - It is as difficult to prevent crimes against property as

we have to do comparison. When we use C ( it is against a ), IT is pointing to what - crimes or prevent or difficult? nothing clear. when pronoun does not have clear antecedent, pronoun may refer to immediate antecedent.

however in E (it is to prevent those against a), Comparing with original sentence, the original sentence and E are doing comparison in parallel form. - it is (Difficult) to prevent those (crimes) against a Person

Bottom line - the question wasn't testing pronoun reference. the answer options had to be chosen w.r.t to correct comparative parallel structure.

eg : - it is the way you see things but actually it isn't the same for all. Few sentences like this ( may be an awkward eg) it is used as a pronoun without clear antecedent noun.


noboru wrote:
My issue here is that I dont understand the difference between the "it" in C and in "E".
Why do you say that in C "it" refers to property and in "E" it does not?
Many thanks in advance.

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