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US News Rankings for National Universities (basically the school as a whole) has both UCLA and USC tied this year. USC passed UCLA for the first time a few years ago though. And with UC's struggling in some regards, I'm sure the faculty ratio and large alumni support/donor base will put USC ahead once again. (Whether you agree with the US News' methodology or not).

Considering USC once barely cut into the top 50 not long ago - seeing it pass UCLA was a big deal when it happened. Not because it asserts total dominance but rather symbolizes how far it has come in such short time. Marshall also would pass Anderson in some of the business school rankings (like Business Week and FT) in the early 2000's but hasn't been able to make up this difference in recent years. These are the nuances we applicants may know of but I can assure you few if any companies know of. Or few if any care about.

USC's image has completely changed in the past 20 years so it'll be really cool seeing what's to come. It's not settled on remaining stagnant either.

So if anything I think this known momentum is what supports its new perception. And as far as rankings go, the US News National University Ranking is probably the best representation of academic perception.
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US News Rankings for National Universities (basically the school as a whole) has both UCLA and USC tied this year. USC passed UCLA for the first time a few years ago though. And with UC's struggling in some regards, I'm sure the faculty ratio and large alumni support/donor base will put USC ahead once again. (Whether you agree with the US News' methodology or not).

Considering USC once barely cut into the top 50 not long ago - seeing it pass UCLA was a big deal when it happened. Not because it asserts total dominance but rather symbolizes how far it has come in such short time. Marshall also would pass Anderson in some of the business school rankings (like Business Week and FT) in the early 2000's but hasn't been able to make up this difference in recent years. These are the nuances we applicants may know of but I can assure you few if any companies know of. Or few if any care about.

USC's image has completely changed in the past 20 years so it'll be really cool seeing what's to come. It's not settled on remaining stagnant either.

So if anything I think this known momentum is what supports its new perception. And as far as rankings go, the US News National University Ranking is probably the best representation of academic perception.

Very true! I have talked to a number of older alumni, who attended in the 80's and 70's..lol...And most are seriously baffled at how USC has changed. They readily admit that when they went it was a total party school..lol...academically it was not challenging. And they also said that if they would re-apply today, they would not get in..lol
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The long explanation is what I am looking for...lol... 8-) Thanks a million, you definitely provided a new and very beneficial element to the discussion. And it seems as though the negatives of your MBA.PM experience is similar to my experience in undergrad minus the sabotaging..lol...Undegrads love to sabotage..lol... And I definitely had a concern about the front-loading of units, I just don't understand. But, it does not seem as though they are open to changing it. :?

Someone posted about the 17' cohort MBA.PM class size shrinking and that the current MBA.PM students were complaining. Do you feel as though the MBA.PM office is listening and plans to correct these things for future students? It seems as though the PM office is stuck in the stone ages, concerning websites, recruitment etc. And not maintaining rankings, which is causing students to look at Marshall negatively. I probably feel differently because I went for undergrad, and know the quality of education. To add folks still hold Marshall as equivalent to Anderson.

And since you originally wanted to attend Anderson....If you got accepted to FEMBA today (all courses transferred), would you leave Marshall?...lol...

I am glad I can help you out. As for front-loading the units the first year, the word on the street is that years ago, first year students would try to take advantage of the Marshall Keenan Career Resource Center (CRC) to try landing internships or switch careers. Those that were able to ended up either dropping out because of the new job responsibilities + demanding classes or they ended up getting into the industry related function by using the Marshall brand and decided not to pursue the MBA journey. Again, this is purely based on rumors that has been floating around that I heard.

Please note that the CRC is open to first year students for general questions/career paths, but they will not allow you to take advantage of the career development/campus recruiting until after the core year as they want you to maintain focused on classes. After all, you do need a good foundation of business related courses before you venture off to your specialized concentrations.

The school is indeed making drastic changes to the program after our voices were heard. The program also hosts open hall meetings to speak with the board and the Dean on ways to improve the program and we see changes being made. In addition, there are lunch events with the Dean to discuss what we can do to further improve the program. Believe me though, the PM program is currently in the works of being reevaluated and it will go into effect soon. Here is an email we received:

“MBA.PM Program Development
We have seen the needle move quite a bit on the development of our program this year. Here are some updates from the key items from January.

a) January: To promote a more competitive program we will be reducing the admissions profile by approximately 25%, leaving one LA, SAT, and OC core
Update: The Class of 2017 admission numbers look solid. We have almost filled the LA and SAT
cores and are working on getting more candidates for the OC core. Since there is only one LA
core, the reduction in total admits should make our program more competitive moving forward.
There are no class profile numbers just yet.

b) Our new Academic Director is leading a review of our core curriculum and we should see changes in the academic curriculum for the 1st year. The Core curriculum has not been reviewed since 2002 so it is long overdue.
Update: Dawn Porter and a committee (including students) are working on the Core curriculum
redesign. The process is still in the planning phase and the target for the rollout is Fall of 2016.

c) The executive board has been working with the MBA administration on how to continue the recruitment of top caliber students and how to market our program better. Some of these discussions include a formal interview process for admissions, marketing strategies, promoting current student profiles, PM Ambassador Program, etc.
Update:
- The PM Ambassador Program is in its final planning phases and we should see a full rollout
in the Fall. The program will mirror the FT Ambassador Program but it will be scaled to meet
our specific PM needs.
- This last admission cycle we put more effort in improving our admission information sessions
and had students/faculty/staff call perspective students.
- On the admission front, we started in person interviews with select candidates and also gave
out scholarships to the top applicants. While the interviews and scholarships were limited this
year, the goal is to make them a standard for our program.
- We will have a “MBA.PM Class of 2017 Admissions Reception” in June. The school will
host those students who have already committed to coming to Marshall and those students
who need a little more convincing. Some students and alumni will be invited to this event to
welcome the students and share advice. A great start to eventually having larger events.”


A little bit more for those who are interested on recruiting:

“Career Placement Recap
The Class of 2014 and 2015 has combined to have the best recruiting season ever for the MBA.PM
program. The exact number of student placements has not yet been released by the Career Center but the
count of MBA level offers for MBA.PM students are over 50. Dean Gary Fraser and the Career
Center continue to increase the resources available for the MBA.PM program and there is more
involvement by students on the student club level.
Here are some sample companies that have given MBA.PM students an internship offer
this last recruiting cycle:
Amazon, Amgen, Apple Inc, AT&T, Deloitte Consulting, Eaton, EY Advisory, General Electric, HP
Consulting, IBM Global Business Services, KPMG Advisory, Little Tikes, Macquarie Group, Mattel,
Microsoft, Nordstroms, Petsmart, PWC Advisory, Shea Homes, Shell, Toyota Motor Company, UTI, The
Walt Disney Company, Wells Fargo Group, etc.”


Also, we were informed that more than ½ the Apple Inc offers were given to the PM students over the FT students so this is a very good change and Gary is leading us to the right direction. Furthermore, he mentioned that a lot of the companies were really impressed with the PM student body so the relationship is being built for the incoming class for better recruiting.

Don’t forget that a new Marshall building will be constructed and is slated to open the Fall of 2016 so you future Trojans graduating 2017 will be able to use the state of the art facility on your last year.

To answer your question if I wanted to leave Marshall for FEMBA if all my courses transferred, my answer would be no. I am very happy with where I am and with my amazing classmates. I guess my perception changed as I only saw a handful of UCLA Anderson students at the Dodger’s game mixer and a huge turnout of USC students. I was informed that the FEMBA students are not as social as most are either married with kids or are engaged. We have another social mixer with FEMBA students coming up for KBBQ and it seems like Marshall students are taking over again based on the confirmed guest list :)
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The long explanation is what I am looking for...lol... 8-) Thanks a million, you definitely provided a new and very beneficial element to the discussion. And it seems as though the negatives of your MBA.PM experience is similar to my experience in undergrad minus the sabotaging..lol...Undegrads love to sabotage..lol... And I definitely had a concern about the front-loading of units, I just don't understand. But, it does not seem as though they are open to changing it. :?

Someone posted about the 17' cohort MBA.PM class size shrinking and that the current MBA.PM students were complaining. Do you feel as though the MBA.PM office is listening and plans to correct these things for future students? It seems as though the PM office is stuck in the stone ages, concerning websites, recruitment etc. And not maintaining rankings, which is causing students to look at Marshall negatively. I probably feel differently because I went for undergrad, and know the quality of education. To add folks still hold Marshall as equivalent to Anderson.

And since you originally wanted to attend Anderson....If you got accepted to FEMBA today (all courses transferred), would you leave Marshall?...lol...

I am glad I can help you out. As for front-loading the units the first year, the word on the street is that years ago, first year students would try to take advantage of the Marshall Keenan Career Resource Center (CRC) to try landing internships or switch careers. Those that were able to ended up either dropping out because of the new job responsibilities + demanding classes or they ended up getting into the industry related function by using the Marshall brand and decided not to pursue the MBA journey. Again, this is purely based on rumors that has been floating around that I heard.

Please note that the CRC is open to first year students for general questions/career paths, but they will not allow you to take advantage of the career development/campus recruiting until after the core year as they want you to maintain focused on classes. After all, you do need a good foundation of business related courses before you venture off to your specialized concentrations.

The school is indeed making drastic changes to the program after our voices were heard. The program also hosts open hall meetings to speak with the board and the Dean on ways to improve the program and we see changes being made. In addition, there are lunch events with the Dean to discuss what we can do to further improve the program. Believe me though, the PM program is currently in the works of being reevaluated and it will go into effect soon. Here is an email we received:

“MBA.PM Program Development
We have seen the needle move quite a bit on the development of our program this year. Here are some updates from the key items from January.

a) January: To promote a more competitive program we will be reducing the admissions profile by approximately 25%, leaving one LA, SAT, and OC core
Update: The Class of 2017 admission numbers look solid. We have almost filled the LA and SAT
cores and are working on getting more candidates for the OC core. Since there is only one LA
core, the reduction in total admits should make our program more competitive moving forward.
There are no class profile numbers just yet.

b) Our new Academic Director is leading a review of our core curriculum and we should see changes in the academic curriculum for the 1st year. The Core curriculum has not been reviewed since 2002 so it is long overdue.
Update: Dawn Porter and a committee (including students) are working on the Core curriculum
redesign. The process is still in the planning phase and the target for the rollout is Fall of 2016.

c) The executive board has been working with the MBA administration on how to continue the recruitment of top caliber students and how to market our program better. Some of these discussions include a formal interview process for admissions, marketing strategies, promoting current student profiles, PM Ambassador Program, etc.
Update:
- The PM Ambassador Program is in its final planning phases and we should see a full rollout
in the Fall. The program will mirror the FT Ambassador Program but it will be scaled to meet
our specific PM needs.
- This last admission cycle we put more effort in improving our admission information sessions
and had students/faculty/staff call perspective students.
- On the admission front, we started in person interviews with select candidates and also gave
out scholarships to the top applicants. While the interviews and scholarships were limited this
year, the goal is to make them a standard for our program.
- We will have a “MBA.PM Class of 2017 Admissions Reception” in June. The school will
host those students who have already committed to coming to Marshall and those students
who need a little more convincing. Some students and alumni will be invited to this event to
welcome the students and share advice. A great start to eventually having larger events.”


A little bit more for those who are interested on recruiting:

“Career Placement Recap
The Class of 2014 and 2015 has combined to have the best recruiting season ever for the MBA.PM
program. The exact number of student placements has not yet been released by the Career Center but the
count of MBA level offers for MBA.PM students are over 50. Dean Gary Fraser and the Career
Center continue to increase the resources available for the MBA.PM program and there is more
involvement by students on the student club level.
Here are some sample companies that have given MBA.PM students an internship offer
this last recruiting cycle:
Amazon, Amgen, Apple Inc, AT&T, Deloitte Consulting, Eaton, EY Advisory, General Electric, HP
Consulting, IBM Global Business Services, KPMG Advisory, Little Tikes, Macquarie Group, Mattel,
Microsoft, Nordstroms, Petsmart, PWC Advisory, Shea Homes, Shell, Toyota Motor Company, UTI, The
Walt Disney Company, Wells Fargo Group, etc.”


Also, we were informed that more than ½ the Apple Inc offers were given to the PM students over the FT students so this is a very good change and Gary is leading us to the right direction. Furthermore, he mentioned that a lot of the companies were really impressed with the PM student body so the relationship is being built for the incoming class for better recruiting.

Don’t forget that a new Marshall building will be constructed and is slated to open the Fall of 2016 so you future Trojans graduating 2017 will be able to use the state of the art facility on your last year.

To answer your question if I wanted to leave Marshall for FEMBA if all my courses transferred, my answer would be no. I am very happy with where I am and with my amazing classmates. I guess my perception changed as I only saw a handful of UCLA Anderson students at the Dodger’s game mixer and a huge turnout of USC students. I was informed that the FEMBA students are not as social as most are either married with kids or are engaged. We have another social mixer with FEMBA students coming up for KBBQ and it seems like Marshall students are taking over again based on the confirmed guest list :)

Wow, thanks for the insight. I mean seriously I realllllyyy want to go back to USC now...lol....During the Info Session, the career center rep did mention recruitment opportunities for MBA.PM, which I think is great. I'm more of a career enhancer, but I am definitely open to opportunities. 8-)
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The long explanation is what I am looking for...lol... 8-) Thanks a million, you definitely provided a new and very beneficial element to the discussion. And it seems as though the negatives of your MBA.PM experience is similar to my experience in undergrad minus the sabotaging..lol...Undegrads love to sabotage..lol... And I definitely had a concern about the front-loading of units, I just don't understand. But, it does not seem as though they are open to changing it. :?

Someone posted about the 17' cohort MBA.PM class size shrinking and that the current MBA.PM students were complaining. Do you feel as though the MBA.PM office is listening and plans to correct these things for future students? It seems as though the PM office is stuck in the stone ages, concerning websites, recruitment etc. And not maintaining rankings, which is causing students to look at Marshall negatively. I probably feel differently because I went for undergrad, and know the quality of education. To add folks still hold Marshall as equivalent to Anderson.

And since you originally wanted to attend Anderson....If you got accepted to FEMBA today (all courses transferred), would you leave Marshall?...lol...

I am glad I can help you out. As for front-loading the units the first year, the word on the street is that years ago, first year students would try to take advantage of the Marshall Keenan Career Resource Center (CRC) to try landing internships or switch careers. Those that were able to ended up either dropping out because of the new job responsibilities + demanding classes or they ended up getting into the industry related function by using the Marshall brand and decided not to pursue the MBA journey. Again, this is purely based on rumors that has been floating around that I heard.

Please note that the CRC is open to first year students for general questions/career paths, but they will not allow you to take advantage of the career development/campus recruiting until after the core year as they want you to maintain focused on classes. After all, you do need a good foundation of business related courses before you venture off to your specialized concentrations.

The school is indeed making drastic changes to the program after our voices were heard. The program also hosts open hall meetings to speak with the board and the Dean on ways to improve the program and we see changes being made. In addition, there are lunch events with the Dean to discuss what we can do to further improve the program. Believe me though, the PM program is currently in the works of being reevaluated and it will go into effect soon. Here is an email we received:

“MBA.PM Program Development
We have seen the needle move quite a bit on the development of our program this year. Here are some updates from the key items from January.

a) January: To promote a more competitive program we will be reducing the admissions profile by approximately 25%, leaving one LA, SAT, and OC core
Update: The Class of 2017 admission numbers look solid. We have almost filled the LA and SAT
cores and are working on getting more candidates for the OC core. Since there is only one LA
core, the reduction in total admits should make our program more competitive moving forward.
There are no class profile numbers just yet.

b) Our new Academic Director is leading a review of our core curriculum and we should see changes in the academic curriculum for the 1st year. The Core curriculum has not been reviewed since 2002 so it is long overdue.
Update: Dawn Porter and a committee (including students) are working on the Core curriculum
redesign. The process is still in the planning phase and the target for the rollout is Fall of 2016.

c) The executive board has been working with the MBA administration on how to continue the recruitment of top caliber students and how to market our program better. Some of these discussions include a formal interview process for admissions, marketing strategies, promoting current student profiles, PM Ambassador Program, etc.
Update:
- The PM Ambassador Program is in its final planning phases and we should see a full rollout
in the Fall. The program will mirror the FT Ambassador Program but it will be scaled to meet
our specific PM needs.
- This last admission cycle we put more effort in improving our admission information sessions
and had students/faculty/staff call perspective students.
- On the admission front, we started in person interviews with select candidates and also gave
out scholarships to the top applicants. While the interviews and scholarships were limited this
year, the goal is to make them a standard for our program.
- We will have a “MBA.PM Class of 2017 Admissions Reception” in June. The school will
host those students who have already committed to coming to Marshall and those students
who need a little more convincing. Some students and alumni will be invited to this event to
welcome the students and share advice. A great start to eventually having larger events.”


A little bit more for those who are interested on recruiting:

“Career Placement Recap
The Class of 2014 and 2015 has combined to have the best recruiting season ever for the MBA.PM
program. The exact number of student placements has not yet been released by the Career Center but the
count of MBA level offers for MBA.PM students are over 50. Dean Gary Fraser and the Career
Center continue to increase the resources available for the MBA.PM program and there is more
involvement by students on the student club level.
Here are some sample companies that have given MBA.PM students an internship offer
this last recruiting cycle:
Amazon, Amgen, Apple Inc, AT&T, Deloitte Consulting, Eaton, EY Advisory, General Electric, HP
Consulting, IBM Global Business Services, KPMG Advisory, Little Tikes, Macquarie Group, Mattel,
Microsoft, Nordstroms, Petsmart, PWC Advisory, Shea Homes, Shell, Toyota Motor Company, UTI, The
Walt Disney Company, Wells Fargo Group, etc.”


Also, we were informed that more than ½ the Apple Inc offers were given to the PM students over the FT students so this is a very good change and Gary is leading us to the right direction. Furthermore, he mentioned that a lot of the companies were really impressed with the PM student body so the relationship is being built for the incoming class for better recruiting.

Don’t forget that a new Marshall building will be constructed and is slated to open the Fall of 2016 so you future Trojans graduating 2017 will be able to use the state of the art facility on your last year.

To answer your question if I wanted to leave Marshall for FEMBA if all my courses transferred, my answer would be no. I am very happy with where I am and with my amazing classmates. I guess my perception changed as I only saw a handful of UCLA Anderson students at the Dodger’s game mixer and a huge turnout of USC students. I was informed that the FEMBA students are not as social as most are either married with kids or are engaged. We have another social mixer with FEMBA students coming up for KBBQ and it seems like Marshall students are taking over again based on the confirmed guest list :)

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i agree with Choni. Great post. Thanks for summing it up. just makes me more proud to be joining a program that has such positive momentum.
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Reading all that definitely just changed my perspective about PM. Before it was either FEMBA or bust.

For me, I'm looking for a program that can refine my basic business skills and take them to the next level (analytical, logical, etc). Is that something the program can provide? I know FEMBA is heavily quant based, so that somewhat pushes me in that direction.

Also, I'd apply for the OC core. Is there less competition for that one?
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Reading all that definitely just changed my perspective about PM. Before it was either FEMBA or bust.

For me, I'm looking for a program that can refine my basic business skills and take them to the next level (analytical, logical, etc). Is that something the program can provide? I know FEMBA is heavily quant based, so that somewhat pushes me in that direction.

Also, I'd apply for the OC core. Is there less competition for that one?
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i originally applied to the LA campus and was put on the waitlist. after a couple weeks i asked the adcom if i could switch to the OC campus and they moved me over. it was only a couple days after that that i got a call saying i was accepted. so there seems to be less competition at the OC campus.
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Any updates??


Got an email this morning. I got in! :-D
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Got an email this morning. I got in! :-D
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Got an email this morning. I got in! :-D
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6wat...is Marshall your #1 choice?...
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6wat...is Marshall your #1 choice?...
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6wat...is Marshall your #1 choice?...

I haven't made up my mind. I don't really have a #1 choice. I honestly think all the schools I applied to are top schools so wouldn't say one is better than the others.

In response to the previous comments in the forum, from my personal experience (I work at a global consulting firm), as long as you are coming from a top school, employers don't usually prefer one school over another school. Employers are not going to look up the rankings every year. They will hire whoever do the best during interviews.

It comes down to what you are looking for in your life. From the people I have met and things I have learned about the schools, UCLA is more supportive of entrepreneurs and USC definitely has a big alumni network. My observation could be different from somebody else's, because my definition of supportive and big network could be very much different from others'.

Each school has its own character. If you spend enough time to talk to students and learn about different schools, you will get to know more about them. Whether it fits you and serves what you are looking for, you are the only one to know.

Hope this helps :-D
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I second that 6wat...

I think anyone who "only" uses rankings to determine what school to attend, is greatly limiting themselves. I have had great discussions with alumni and current students.
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6wat...is Marshall your #1 choice?...
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6wat: what are your stats? GMAT? experience? how long did it take you to apply/get notified of acceptance?

I was going to retake my GMAT but they accepted me with 620. GPA 3.42. 3 years experience. 3 days to get notification. :)
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I second that 6wat...

I think anyone who "only" uses rankings to determine what school to attend, is greatly limiting themselves. I have had great discussions with alumni and current students.

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that was fast! are you doing the LA or OC campus?
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