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Similar to other Mississippi Delta blues singers, the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition beginning with a mixture of chants, fiddle tunes, and religions music and only gradually evolved into the blues.

A. Similar to other Mississippi Delta blues singers, the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition beginning with

B. Similar to that of other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, Robert Johnson made music that arose from oral tradition that began with

C. As with other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, Robert Johnson made music that arose from an oral tradition beginning as

D. Like other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, Robert Johnson’s music arose from an oral tradition beginning with

E. Like the music of other early Mississippi Delta blues singers , the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition that began as

Concepts tested here: Comparisons + Verb Forms + Awkwardness/Redundancy

• A comparison must always be made between similar elements.
• “like” is used for comparing nouns, “as” is used for comparing actions/clauses, and “such as” is used for giving examples.
• The simple past tense is used to refer to actions that concluded in the past.

A: This answer choice incorrectly compares "other Mississippi Delta blues singers" to "the music of Robert Johnson"; remember, a comparison must always be made between similar elements. Further, Option A uses the present participle ("verb+ing" - "beginning" in this sentence) to refer to an action that concluded in the past; please remember, the simple past tense is used to refer to actions that concluded in the past.

B: This answer choice incorrectly compares "that ("music") of other early Mississippi Delta blues singers" to "of Robert Johnson"; remember, a comparison must always be made between similar elements. Further, Option B uses the needlessly wordy construction "Robert Johnson made music that arose", leading to awkwardness and redundancy.

C: This answer choice incorrectly uses "As" to compare the nouns "other early Mississippi Delta blues singers" and "Robert Johnson"; remember, “like” is used for comparing nouns, “as” is used for comparing actions/clauses, and “such as” is used for giving examples. Further, Option C uses the present participle ("verb+ing" - "beginning" in this sentence) to refer to an action that concluded in the past; please remember, the simple past tense is used to refer to actions that concluded in the past. Additionally, Option C uses the needlessly wordy construction "Robert Johnson made music that arose", leading to awkwardness and redundancy.

D: This answer choice incorrectly compares "other Mississippi Delta blues singers" to "Robert Johnson’s music"; remember, a comparison must always be made between similar elements. Further, Option D uses the present participle ("verb+ing" - "beginning" in this sentence) to refer to an action that concluded in the past; please remember, the simple past tense is used to refer to actions that concluded in the past.

E: Correct. This answer choice correctly uses "like" to compare the nouns "the music of other early Mississippi Delta blues singers" and "the music of Robert Johnson". Further, Option E correctly uses the simple past tense verb "began" to refer to an action that concluded in the past. Additionally, Option E is free of any awkwardness or redundancy.

Hence, E is the best answer choice.

To understand the concept of "Simple Tenses" on GMAT, you may want to watch the following video (~1 minute):



To understand the concept of "Like" vs "As" on GMAT, you may want to watch the following video (~2 minutes):



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Similar to other Mississippi Delta blues singers, the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition beginning with a mixture of chants, fiddle tunes, and religions music and only gradually evolved into the blues.

A. Similar to other Mississippi Delta blues singers, the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition beginning with Singers not || to music of RJ

B. Similar to that of other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, Robert Johnson made music that arose from oral tradition that began with music of blue singers not || to RJ

C. As with other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, Robert Johnson made music that arose from an oral tradition beginning as Instead of 'as with' it should be 'Like'

D. Like other early Mississippi Delta music that arose from oral tradition beginning with complete meaning change

E. Like the music of other early Mississippi Delta blues singers , the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition that began as correct ||elism used
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A. Similar to other Mississippi Delta blues singers, the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition beginning with
B. Similar to that of other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, Robert Johnson made music that arose from oral tradition that began with
C. As with other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, Robert Johnson made music that arose from an oral tradition beginning as
as with is not correct here.
D. Like other early Mississippi Delta music that arose from oral tradition beginning with.............Removed Robert and comparison resulting in meaning change.
E. Like the music of other early Mississippi Delta blues singers , the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition that began as
comparison straightly eliminates all the answer choices except E.

The music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition that
    began as a mixture of chants, fiddle tunes, and religions music and
    only gradually evolved into the blues.
There is an amount of parallelism here. The music arose from tradition that began as X and evolved as Y.
began and evolved are parallel and are in past tense.
So beginning with/as in A,C and D are incorrect here
tradition began as sth but not with mixture and then evolved so even B is wrong here.
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Hi ,

I was confused in this question especially in option E because of the use of "began as" isn't it a wrong idiom.

began with would be better

Please help me with this
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Hi ,

I was confused in this question especially in option E because of the use of "began as" isn't it a wrong idiom.

began with would be better

Please help me with this

Usage of began as is not wrong idiomatic usage. It is correct..
began as...........indicates the first form of transformation of an action or object.
began as (Of a person) hold a specified role before holding any other:

for example
Northern Arizona school shooting began as fight between students.
(This means that the problem between students began as fight and extended up to shooting each other.)

What are some examples of words or phrases which began as sporting terminology and have evolved to more widespread use?
(There are many terms or phrases which started or termed as terminology to define sports and then evolved to other daily usage.
for instance: Throw in the towel started as a way of terminology in boxing.

(of boxers or their seconds) throw a towel (or sponge) into the ring as a token of defeat.

"Cafaro was told by his trainer that he was going to throw the towel in if he did not start throwing punches"

but now it is used in general to abandon a struggle; admit defeat.

"there are times when the difficulties appear too great and we just throw in the towel"


MORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES
  • he began as a drummer.
  • Russ began as a DJ playing soul in clubs like the Sandpiper, in Fallowfield, and touring the country.
  • Well, fate had decided for him that he provide cheers to people for he had begun as a villain in his early days.
  • Like Warhol, he began as a commercial artist and his art has its roots in advertising.

began with is also correct for different purpose meaning started with.

for example
Bay Bridge troubles began with design.
The above sentence means that The troubles of Bay Bridge started with its design.

Few more examples for better understanding
  • The meal began with a scrumptious salad enjoyed by all.
  • Bedtime began with their ritual of sitting on the window seat in each other's arms, watching their farm in the growing darkness.
  • It began with a glance as we passed each other the first time, a smile the next two or three laps, and then a pretend rest stop.
  • Lisa began with a rope border on the top.
  • Range after range of mountains began with a mixture of sharp green that gradually faded until the last range was wrapped in the haze of distance.

In current sentence
The music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition that
    began as a mixture of chants, fiddle tunes, and religions music and
    only gradually evolved into the blues.

There is an amount of parallelism here. The music arose from tradition that began as X and evolved as Y.

began and evolved are parallel and are in past tense.

So beginning with/as in A,C and D are incorrect here
tradition began as sth but not with mixture and then evolved so even B is wrong here.
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Similar to other Mississippi Delta blues singers, the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition beginning with a mixture of chants, fiddle tunes, and religions music and only gradually evolved into the blues.

A. Similar to other Mississippi Delta blues singers, the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition beginning with

B. Similar to that of other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, Robert Johnson made music that arose from oral tradition that began with

C. As with other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, Robert Johnson made music that arose from an oral tradition beginning as

D. Like other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, Robert Johnson’s music arose from an oral tradition beginning with

E. Like the music of other early Mississippi Delta blues singers , the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition that began as

Hi Egmat,

Can you please explain why is option C incorrect. I don't think that the usage of as with a prepositional phrase to show comparison is incorrect. Is it because it changes the meaning of the sentence? It says RJ made music that arose from a tradition however, the parent sentence says the music was the result of an oral tradition... Please clarify
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Similar to other Mississippi Delta blues singers, the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition beginning with a mixture of chants, fiddle tunes, and religions music and only gradually evolved into the blues.

A. Similar to other Mississippi Delta blues singers, the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition beginning with

B. Similar to that of other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, Robert Johnson made music that arose from oral tradition that began with

C. As with other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, Robert Johnson made music that arose from an oral tradition beginning as

D. Like other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, Robert Johnson’s music arose from an oral tradition beginning with

E. Like the music of other early Mississippi Delta blues singers , the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition that began as

Hi Egmat,

Can you please explain why is option C incorrect. I don't think that the usage of as with a prepositional phrase to show comparison is incorrect. Is it because it changes the meaning of the sentence? It says RJ made music that arose from a tradition however, the parent sentence says the music was the result of an oral tradition... Please clarify


Hi Nishat,

Thanks for posting your doubt here. :-)

The change of meaning that you are talking about in Choice C does not exist. The original sentence as well as Choice C says that the music from an oral tradition beginning. I guess you got confused because the structure of the two choices are different.

In Choice C As + prepositional phrase does not work in the context of this sentence because the main clause contains an action that needs to be compared with another action after as. This action is missing in Choice C.

Hope this helps. :-)
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Is choice D ("Like other ... singers, Robert Johnson’s music ...") comparing "singers" to "RJ" or to "music"? I originally dismissed D because I thought it was comparing "singers" to "music", was my logic correct?
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Is choice D ("Like other ... singers, Robert Johnson’s music ...") comparing "singers" to "RJ" or to "music"? I originally dismissed D because I thought it was comparing "singers" to "music", was my logic correct?

Absolutely right way to eliminate wrong answers.
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I was on the fence between B and E, I chose B. Could someone help clarify my doubt?

I guess I got focused on began as and decided a comparison cannot be made with as and a noun, has to be as and a clause. But then before that Like is used for proper comparison in E.

Why is B wrong? As you mentioned 'began with' could also be correct?

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Why is B wrong?
B says:

Similar to that (music) of other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, Robert Johnson made music that arose from oral tradition that began with..

So, B is comparing "music" with a "person" (Robert Johnson). This is not an apples to apples comparison.
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Quick doubt for this sentence:

Like usually compares nouns with other nouns.. In the correct answer:

Like the music of other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition that began as

Like compares noun + prep phrase with another Noun + prep phrase..

Is that acceptable?


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Why is B wrong?
B says:

Similar to that (music) of other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, Robert Johnson made music that arose from oral tradition that began with..

So, B is comparing "music" with a "person" (Robert Johnson). This is not an apples to apples comparison.
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Quick doubt for this sentence:

Like usually compares nouns with other nouns.. In the correct answer:

Like the music of other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition that began as

Like compares noun + prep phrase with another Noun + prep phrase..

Is that acceptable?

Yes, that's acceptable because you are still comparing nouns (music to music).
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Similar to other Mississippi Delta blues singers, the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition beginning with a mixture of chants, fiddle tunes, and religions music and only gradually evolved into the blues.

A. Similar to other Mississippi Delta blues singers, the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition beginning with

B. Similar to that of other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, Robert Johnson made music that arose from oral tradition that began with

C. As with other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, Robert Johnson made music that arose from an oral tradition beginning as

D. Like other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, Robert Johnson’s music arose from an oral tradition beginning with

E. Like the music of other early Mississippi Delta blues singers , the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition that began as


Comparison is between two types of music. Only E makes correct comparison.
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I have a question on the parallelism drawn in the Independent Clause [The music of Robert Johnson]. When ideas are placed in parallel both the grammar & logic need to complement each other. One cannot exist without each other. While looking at the correct answer (E), would it not have been written better if the following structure was followed:

Like the music of other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition that began as [x,y,&z], and that only gradually evolved into [k].

The inclusion of 'that' would not be wrong. I am conscious of the fact that we cannot question the sentence structure in the non-underlined part, but would like to understand why without putting the parallel elements in a that [clause] in which that is acting as the subject or the head, we can still have the two elements in parallel.

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would like to understand why without putting the parallel elements in a that [clause] in which that is acting as the subject or the head, we can still have the two elements in parallel
Hi Abheek, E is parallel: evolved is parallel with began.

.....that began....and evolved...

that is obviously the implied subject for the verb evolved.

The sentence is no different from:

I came to the office and started working.

Here, parallel elements are came and started, with I being the implied subject of the verb started.

Had the structure been:

......that began....and [i]that evolved...[/i]

Then also the sentence would have been parallel, with the parallel elements being two relative clauses: that began and that evolved.
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Let's tackle this question, one issue at a time, and narrow it down to the correct answer! To begin, here is the original question with any major differences between the options highlighted in orange:

Similar to other Mississippi Delta blues singers, the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition beginning with a mixture of chants, fiddle tunes, and religions music and only gradually evolved into the blues.

A. Similar to other Mississippi Delta blues singers, the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition beginning with
B. Similar to that of other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, Robert Johnson made music that arose from oral tradition that began with
C. As with other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, Robert Johnson made music that arose from an oral tradition beginning as
D. Like other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, Robert Johnson’s music arose from an oral tradition beginning with
E. Like the music of other early Mississippi Delta blues singers , the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition that began as

After a quick glance over the options, there are a few key differences we can focus on:

1. How they begin: similar to / as with / like
2. What comes after the modifier: the music of Robert Johnson / Robert Johnson / Robert Johnson's music
3. How they end: beginning with / that began with / beginning as


Since we're dealing with a comparison question, the first place to start should always be parallelism! We need to make sure that the sentence is comparing 2 similar things (apples to apples, bicycles to bicycles, etc.). Let's focus on that first, and eliminate any options that don't compare similar things:

A. Similar to other Mississippi Delta blues singers, the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition beginning with --> WRONG (compares people to music)

B. Similar to that of other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, Robert Johnson made music that arose from oral tradition that began with --> WRONG (compares music to a person)

C. As with other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, Robert Johnson made music that arose from an oral tradition beginning as --> OK (compares people to people)

D. Like other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, Robert Johnson’s music arose from an oral tradition beginning with --> WRONG (compares people to music)

E. Like the music of other early Mississippi Delta blues singers , the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition that began as --> OK (compares music to music)

We can eliminate options A, B, & D because they create a non-parallel comparison.

Now that we have it narrowed down to only 2 options, let's focus on the other two list items to narrow it down to just one option:

C. As with other early Mississippi Delta blues singers, Robert Johnson made music that arose from an oral tradition beginning as

This is INCORRECT for a couple reasons. First, starting a noun phrase with "As with" is considered a no-no on the GMAT. The GMAT prefers you use "like" instead because it's clear and to the point. Second, the phrase "beginning as" suggests these events took place in the present tense, but we need to use verbs or phrases that are in the past tense for this to make sense. If his music eventually "evolved" at some point in the past, then it doesn't make sense to say that it "starts" in the present.

E. Like the music of other early Mississippi Delta blues singers , the music of Robert Johnson arose from an oral tradition that began as

This is CORRECT! The comparison is parallel, the phrasing is clear and concise, and the meaning is clear thanks to the use of past tense verbs throughout.


There you have it - option E is the correct choice!


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Like must never be followed by a Prepositional Phrase or a Clause. But option E that happens to be correct in absence of any better option has a Prepositional Phrase after Like. I eliminated this option in the first glance on this reasoning.
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