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Hi @gmatninja, @gmatninja2, @mikemcgarry, Experts,

Please help me understand the following line inorder to answer the 1st Question.

Often called mnemonic ciphers, they distinguished themselves *by requiring little, if any, in the way of material* that would arouse suspicion

I was unable to comprehend the meaning of the sentence. Is it a normal to use such a construction as "in the way of material".

My doubt is a bit specific but i just want to know if this sentence is a bit convoluted or my understanding is lacking.
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I have troubles marking option A in Q1 as the correct answer. I see that this "Often called mnemonic ciphers, they distinguished themselves by requiring little, if any, in the way of material that would arouse suspicion" is a relevant part of the passage for evaluating option A BUT it says if any and the answer choice uses MUST. To me answer choice A is too extreme given that there is a scenario in which suspicious tools are not needed...
Any feedback on this?
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Hi @gmatninja, @gmatninja2, @mikemcgarry, Experts,

Please help me understand the following line inorder to answer the 1st Question.

Often called mnemonic ciphers, they distinguished themselves *by requiring little, if any, in the way of material* that would arouse suspicion

I was unable to comprehend the meaning of the sentence. Is it a normal to use such a construction as "in the way of material".

My doubt is a bit specific but i just want to know if this sentence is a bit convoluted or my understanding is lacking.


Hi,

I can help.
The particular lines you have mentioned are written in a complex manner. If we are not paying attention to the meaning then we might not understand those lines.
It essentially means that few such materials are to be used in mnemonic ciphers that arouse little suspicion. In that way mnemonic is secured and the agent is free :)
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Q1:
The question ask about "Effective ...", but the passage mentioned a feature of "mnemonic ciphers", it doesn't mentioned effective or not?
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can any one explain why A is the right answer for question 1?
And i was not able to infer the meaning of the sentence to which option A points.
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can any one explain why A is the right answer for question 1?
And i was not able to infer the meaning of the sentence to which option A points.


Hi Aravind

I draw your attention to the last sentence of the first paragraph:

"...they distinguished themselves by requiring little, if any, in the way of material that would arouse suspicion, and offered extremely high levels of security..."

This tells us that the requirement of very little or no material which arouses suspicion is a distinguishing feature of mnemonic ciphers. Admittedly, the question asks us about the ciphers being "effective" and not "distinguished". However, both are positive connotation descriptions of mnemonic ciphers in this context, and all the other choices presented in the question are directly contradicted by various parts of the passage (as explained in an earlier post).

Therefore, in this specific question, it is not a stretch to take "distinguished" to indicate a "good" or an "effective" cipher.

Hope this helps.
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1. According to the passage, which of the following was a requirement of an effective mnemonic cipher?

(A) It must require few tools or files that could give away a spy's secret operations
(B) It should include written records to ensure no data is lost
(C) It must require an extensive and complex process for the agent to follow
(D) It should disguise the secret nature of the message as commonplace communications
(E) It need not offer extremely high levels of security


I am unable to eliminate option C and D.
Refer below lines
"The ingeniously complex keying system with its chain addition and advanced arithmetic fed a complex pair of transposition tables that provided the real security of the cipher".
It clearly direct the answer towards option C.

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SajjadAhmad, Can you share official explanation of Q1 and Q3.
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1. According to the passage, which of the following was a requirement of an effective mnemonic cipher?

(A) It must require few tools or files that could give away a spy's secret operations
(B) It should include written records to ensure no data is lost
(C) It must require an extensive and complex process for the agent to follow
(D) It should disguise the secret nature of the message as commonplace communications
(E) It need not offer extremely high levels of security


I am unable to eliminate option C and D.
Refer below lines
"The ingeniously complex keying system with its chain addition and advanced arithmetic fed a complex pair of transposition tables that provided the real security of the cipher".
It clearly direct the answer towards option C.

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SajjadAhmad, Can you share official explanation of Q1 and Q3.

Hello, Harsh2111s. I think the analysis offered above by AVRonaldo best explains how the other answers, including (C), are incorrect. All that I will draw your attention to is that this is an according to the passage question, a detail question whose answer can be found directly in the passage (leaving little to no room for interpretation). Notice the keyword requirement in the question stem. This perfectly echoes requiring in the last line of the first paragraph. I find keyword matching to be an extremely useful approach for RC in general, but no more so than in this type of question.

Thank you for tagging me, and good luck with your studies.

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Harsh2111s wrote:
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1. According to the passage, which of the following was a requirement of an effective mnemonic cipher?

(A) It must require few tools or files that could give away a spy's secret operations
(B) It should include written records to ensure no data is lost
(C) It must require an extensive and complex process for the agent to follow
(D) It should disguise the secret nature of the message as commonplace communications
(E) It need not offer extremely high levels of security


I am unable to eliminate option C and D.
Refer below lines
"The ingeniously complex keying system with its chain addition and advanced arithmetic fed a complex pair of transposition tables that provided the real security of the cipher".
It clearly direct the answer towards option C.

MentorTutoring svasan05

Can you explain ?

SajjadAhmad, Can you share official explanation of Q1 and Q3.


Hi Harsh

Hope the above clarification by AVRonaldo and MentorTutoring helped you rule out other options. Thanks for tagging me and do let me know if you have any further queries.
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In Question 1 I agree with the quoted line but it says" little or any while" the answer choice in question 1 says " It must require few " and the passage clearly says it might so how is answer A correct for question 1. Kindly clarify CrackverbalGMAT VeritasKarishma GMATNinja
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Can you please explain me how you got Answers for Question 1 and Question 2 correct.
I am not getting enough information to mark these answers correct.
And for Question 3 i was confused between answers 2 and 3.On what basis did u mark Option 3.

It would be helpful if u help.

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In Question 1 I agree with the quoted line but it says" little or any while" the answer choice in question 1 says " It must require few " and the passage clearly says it might so how is answer A correct for question 1. Kindly clarify CrackverbalGMAT VeritasKarishma GMATNinja


few = little or none

Check: https://www.gmatclub.com/forum/veritas-prep-resource-links-no-longer-available-399979.html#/2017/0 ... uite-gmat/
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few = little or none




Thank u for ur prompt reply VeritasKarishma. Checked in the dictionary and online too but nowhere it is mentioned few= none so is this specific rule for GMAT. I mean a strategy kind of thing to remember.
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few = little or none




Thank u for ur prompt reply VeritasKarishma. Checked in the dictionary and online too but nowhere it is mentioned few= none so is this specific rule for GMAT. I mean a strategy kind of thing to remember.


No, nothing GMAT specific about it. It is how the word "few" without "a" is used in English language.

"There are few people who like him" means there aren't many people who like him. How many exactly you can't say. It is used to show that there may be very few or may be not even that. It gives the degree of how little.
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