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09 Nov 2014, 12:05
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There are community leaders, as well as ex-convicts, who are successful in business. All people who are successful in business are encouraged to join the Reynard Club. Which of the following can be concluded from the above?

A. All who are encouraged to join the Reynard Club are successful in business.
B. All who are encouraged to join the Reynard Club are community leaders or ex-convicts.
C. Some who are encouraged to join the Reynard Club are not community leaders or ex-convicts.
D. Some ex-convicts are encouraged to join the Reynard Club.
E. Some ex-convicts are not encouraged to join the Reynard Club.

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09 Nov 2014, 12:05
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There are community leaders, as well as ex-convicts, who are successful in business. All people who are successful in business are encouraged to join the Reynard Club. Which of the following can be concluded from the above?

A. All who are encouraged to join the Reynard Club are successful in business.
B. All who are encouraged to join the Reynard Club are community leaders or ex-convicts.
C. Some who are encouraged to join the Reynard Club are not community leaders or ex-convicts.
D. Some ex-convicts are encouraged to join the Reynard Club.
E. Some ex-convicts are not encouraged to join the Reynard Club.

Where does your mind want to go with this question? Presumably one would have to believe that a club with any exclusivity would find a way to bar at least some ex-convicts, right? Sure, it’s politically incorrect (and just wrong) to assume that all ex-convicts are unworthy of admission, but it’s quite likely that at least some will be repeat offenders or are otherwise undesirable. So answer choice E should look pretty tempting; it just about has to be true—but not necessarily.

All you truly know from this question is that some ex-convicts, those who are successful in business, are encouraged to join. But we do not know anything about those who are not successful in business, nor do we really know that any ex-convicts in this pool are not successful in business. Similarly, we do not know about anyone other than those we are told are successful (some community leaders and some ex-convicts), so although answer choice C seems like it has to be true, it’s not guaranteed here. If one were to diagram the logic, you’d find:

Some ex-convicts = Successful

Some community leaders = Successful

Successful = Invited to join

So:

Some ex-convicts = Successful = Invited to join (guaranteeing answer choice D)
Some community leaders = Successful = Invited to join
You do not know who else is invited to join; perhaps the Reynard Club is a lot like Sam’s Club or Amway as a club. (If you have money to spend, you’re invited! That includes leaders, ex-cons, and anyone else.) Remember that, above anything else, this is an Inference question. The correct answer must be true, and so any hypotheticals (such as Reynard Club is just like Sam’s Club) that would counter an answer choice like A or E means that the choice is not necessarily true.

The trick here? Your mind views community leaders and business successes positively, and ex-convicts negatively. Knowing that, the test can tempt you with answer choices A and E; knowing better, you can treat this as an Inference question only and make your determination based solely on the information given.

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18 Nov 2014, 19:20
Hi,
So the assumption in this question is that apart from convicts and leaders, no one is successful in business ??
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06 Apr 2015, 10:45
why is option c wrong????
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23 Sep 2015, 11:38
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There are community leaders, as well as ex-convicts, who are successful in business. All people who are successful in business are invited to join the Reynard Club.

A. All who are encouraged to join the Reynard Club are successful in business.
B. All who are encouraged to join the Reynard Club are community leaders or ex-convicts.
C. Some who are encouraged to join the Reynard Club are not community leaders or ex-convicts.
D. Some ex-convicts are encouraged to join the Reynard Club.
E. Some ex-convicts are not encouraged to join the Reynard Club.

Where is the TASK itself? What should I find? True, not true, must be true, may be true, or guess?
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18 Jan 2016, 16:51
I think this is a poor-quality question and I don't agree with the explanation. First, there is no task. Second, the Reynard Club isn't specifically encouraging ex-convicts to join, it's inviting successful business people.
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23 Feb 2016, 13:13
I think this is a poor-quality question. It is not indicated what one is supposed to do with the stem.
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23 Feb 2016, 13:14
I think this is a poor-quality question. It is not indicated what one is supposed to do with the stem.
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02 Apr 2016, 09:21
I think this is a poor-quality question and I don't agree with the explanation. The question is missing
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23 May 2016, 16:53
I think this is a poor-quality question and I agree with explanation. Hi Guys, I think there is a mistake in this question. There is "no question".
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25 May 2016, 05:36
dumucci wrote:
I think this is a poor-quality question and I agree with explanation. Hi Guys, I think there is a mistake in this question. There is "no question".

The question statement has been added. Thank you for pointing out.
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25 Nov 2016, 08:51
Why exactly is option (c) wrong?

The prompt states that there are community leaders and ex-convicts that are successful in the world. Fact 1.

Then, it introduces a new and unrelated fact that the Reynard club encourages ALL successful business people to join.

Clearly, "ALL successful business people" is a category that includes more than just community leaders or ex-convicts. So why is it incorrect to conclude that some successful business people besides community leaders or ex-convicts are also encouraged to join?

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26 Nov 2016, 04:10
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Why exactly is option (c) wrong?

The prompt states that there are community leaders and ex-convicts that are successful in the world. Fact 1.

Then, it introduces a new and unrelated fact that the Reynard club encourages ALL successful business people to join.

Clearly, "ALL successful business people" is a category that includes more than just community leaders or ex-convicts. So why is it incorrect to conclude that some successful business people besides community leaders or ex-convicts are also encouraged to join?

Thanks,

AF

Your statement (Clearly, "ALL successful business people" is a category that includes more than just community leaders or ex-convicts.) is not stated in the passage - this is your assumption; for inference type question only the facts stated in the passage can be used. No assumptions, even if it is practical and true, cannot be used.
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15 Aug 2017, 05:21
I think this is a poor-quality question and the explanation isn't clear enough, please elaborate. Dear Sir,

The answer choices are ambiguous.Both D and E should be correct.
Let the following example:
Some eggs are white(A).

It means both :
1) Some eggs are white.
2) Some eggs are not white.

The negation of (A) here should be
> No egg is white. From the given question :
Some ex-convicts are encouraged to join. means that at least one is encourage to join.Since , we cannot conclude that all are encouraged to join. In short , we can also conclude that some are not encouraged to join.
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14 Jul 2018, 06:40
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Official Solution:

There are community leaders, as well as ex-convicts, who are successful in business. All people who are successful in business are encouraged to join the Reynard Club. Which of the following can be concluded from the above?

A. All who are encouraged to join the Reynard Club are successful in business.
B. All who are encouraged to join the Reynard Club are community leaders or ex-convicts.
C. Some who are encouraged to join the Reynard Club are not community leaders or ex-convicts.
D. Some ex-convicts are encouraged to join the Reynard Club.
E. Some ex-convicts are not encouraged to join the Reynard Club.

Where does your mind want to go with this question? Presumably one would have to believe that a club with any exclusivity would find a way to bar at least some ex-convicts, right? Sure, it’s politically incorrect (and just wrong) to assume that all ex-convicts are unworthy of admission, but it’s quite likely that at least some will be repeat offenders or are otherwise undesirable. So answer choice E should look pretty tempting; it just about has to be true—but not necessarily.

All you truly know from this question is that some ex-convicts, those who are successful in business, are encouraged to join. But we do not know anything about those who are not successful in business, nor do we really know that any ex-convicts in this pool are not successful in business. Similarly, we do not know about anyone other than those we are told are successful (some community leaders and some ex-convicts), so although answer choice C seems like it has to be true, it’s not guaranteed here. If one were to diagram the logic, you’d find:

Some ex-convicts = Successful

Some community leaders = Successful

Successful = Invited to join

So:

Some ex-convicts = Successful = Invited to join (guaranteeing answer choice D)
Some community leaders = Successful = Invited to join
You do not know who else is invited to join; perhaps the Reynard Club is a lot like Sam’s Club or Amway as a club. (If you have money to spend, you’re invited! That includes leaders, ex-cons, and anyone else.) Remember that, above anything else, this is an Inference question. The correct answer must be true, and so any hypotheticals (such as Reynard Club is just like Sam’s Club) that would counter an answer choice like A or E means that the choice is not necessarily true.

The trick here? Your mind views community leaders and business successes positively, and ex-convicts negatively. Knowing that, the test can tempt you with answer choices A and E; knowing better, you can treat this as an Inference question only and make your determination based solely on the information given.

I tried to solve this via venn diagrams and the answer A seemed most suitable. Kindly help me solve my doubt
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05 Mar 2019, 04:19
Agree with Sagar Saxena
C - > may not be True, but if D is True, so does E
If some eggs are white
then
some eggs are non-white too
Answer Quality of this Question is too poor
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10 May 2019, 02:36
Some means 2 to all.
"If some eggs are white
then some eggs are non-white too"

This statement is false because
"If some eggs are white " , it means that "2 to all" eggs can be white.
There can be zer0 non-white egg
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