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A cricketer trying to predict the outcome of the one day world cup match in 1996 between the experienced Pakistan and the upstart Bangladesh, probably, would have chosen the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and being quite wrong

A. have chosen then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and being quite wrong
B. have chosen the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and been quite wrong
C. choose the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and been quite wrong
D. choose the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and be quite wrong
E. choose in favor of the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and been quite wrong

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A cricketer trying to predict the outcome of the one day world cup match in 1996 between the experienced Pakistan and the upstart Bangladesh, probably, would have chosen the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and being quite wrong

A. have chosen then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and being quite wrong
B. have chosen the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and been quite wrong
C. choose the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and been quite wrong
D. choose the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and be quite wrong
E. choose in favor of the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and been quite wrong


Let us see the intricacies of sentence building through this thread. The helping verb “Would” / "would have" is common for both the verbs in the first part and the second part; So the subject and the verbs should fit in grammatically in both places;

A. (would) have chosen then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and (would / would have) being quite wrong’ --- wrong wording

B. (would have) chosen the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and (would have) been quite wrong--- correct choice with some room for assumption

C. (would) choose the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and (would) been quite wrong; same as in A

D. (would) choose the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and (would) be quite wrong – The categorical nature of “would choose” misses the speculative core of the topic.

E. (would) choose in favor of the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and (would) been quite wrong -- same as in A;

Now between B and D; when we say ’would choose’ the element of speculation is missing in D; to that extent meaning is a subtle casualty; B is the best choice using an element of assumption.


Answer: B
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Hello Souvik
THanks for the explanation.

Just to clarify some parallelism mistake I can make.

Why is it not “Would have” the common factor for both the verbs ?

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Hello Souvik
THanks for the explanation.

Just to clarify some parallelism mistake I can make.

Why is it not “Would have” the common factor for both the verbs ?

thanks


Yes, I too chose variant A because of the same way of thinking. And can't get why A is wrong.
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New post 09 Aug 2015, 09:45
Same here, I choose 'A' because I found 'B' more wordy that the ideal Answer should have been. Still not very clear the reason why it should be 'B' over 'A'.

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THanks for the explanation.

Just to clarify some parallelism mistake I can make.

Why is it not “Would have” the common factor for both the verbs ?

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Yes, I too chose variant A because of the same way of thinking. And can't get why A is wrong.
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+1 for A (and the same reasoning), waiting for a convincing clarification on A vs B.
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B makes no sense!

B. have chosen that it would be the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and be quite wrong

it would be the then invincible Pakistan WHAT?
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I think this is a poor-quality question and I don't agree with the explanation. I disagree on this answer.. I've selected A
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Can anyone provide any color on why A is wrong?

I'm of the persuasion that 'would have' should be a common parallelism factor: probably would have A and B. If it cannot be, I would like to know why so I can 're-calibrate' my brain.

...probably would have chosen ... and (would have) been ....
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This is an awful question and the answer barely makes sense. Can it be taken out of circulation?
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A cricketer trying to predict the outcome of the one day world cup match in 1996 between the experienced Pakistan and the upstart Bangladesh, probably would have chosen the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and been quite wrong

A. have chosen the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and been quite wrong
B. have chosen that it would be the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and be quite wrong
C. choose the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and been quite wrong
D. choose the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and be quite wrong
E. choose in favor of the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and been quite wrong


Let us see the intricacies of sentence building through this thread. “Would” is a common factor for both the verbs in the first part and the second part; So the subject and the verbs should fit in grammatically in both places;

A. (would) have chosen the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and (would) been quite wrong’ --- wrong wording

B. (would) have chosen that it would be the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and(would) be quite wrong--- correct choice with some room for assumption

C. (would) choose the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and (would) been quite wrong; same as in A

D. (would) choose the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and (would) be quite wrong – The categorical nature of “would choose” misses the speculative core of the topic.

E. (would) choose in favor of the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and (would) been quite wrong -- same as in A;

Now between B and D; when we say ’would choose’ the element of speculation is missing in D; to that extent meaning is a subtle casualty; B is the best choice using an element of assumption.


Answer: B


I too have selected A. Can someone please explain what is wrong with the wording for A?
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I think this is a high-quality question and the explanation isn't clear enough, please elaborate. Hi,
Why can't we consider 'would have' a common factor in the first choice that would then read as - would have chosen..........and (would have) been quite wrong?
Why only 'would' have been consider a common factor in the explanation?
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I suppose answer choice B is incorrect. A cricketer in the past can't be wrong today?! no?
I answered A although it gave me an odd sensation while I was clicking on the answer choice.
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I think this is a high-quality question and the explanation isn't clear enough, please elaborate. Hi,
Why can't we consider 'would have' a common factor in the first choice that would then read as - would have chosen..........and (would have) been quite wrong?
Why only 'would' have been consider a common factor in the explanation?


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I suppose answer choice B is incorrect. A cricketer in the past can't be wrong today?! no?
I answered A although it gave me an odd sensation while I was clicking on the answer choice.


Thank you both of you.....valid point indeed. Options A and B have been modified taking into account your argument.
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Hi, I understood the question and explanation. just a small point, "the"in answer choices should precede invincible Pakistan and not then invincible Pakistan.
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Hi, I understood the question and explanation. just a small point, "the"in answer choices should precede invincible Pakistan and not then invincible Pakistan.



The: definite article
Then invincible: adjective
Pakistan: noun

Hence the structure "the then invincible Pakistan" is alright. (similar to "the red flower")
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The difference between "then invincible" and "the then invincible" is the key difference between A and B.

For ex:
I challenged Brock Lesnar , the then Heavy Weight Champion, to beat me. -> Correct
I challenged Brock Lesnar , then Heavy Weight Champion, to beat me. -> Incorrect.

BTW action performed above is fictitious :P
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i eliminated "A" b/c of "being"
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A cricketer trying to predict the outcome of the one day world cup match in 1996 between the experienced Pakistan and the upstart Bangladesh, probably, would have chosen the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and being quite wrong

A. have chosen then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and being quite wrong
B. have chosen the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and been quite wrong
C. choose the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and been quite wrong
D. choose the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and be quite wrong
E. choose in favor of the then invincible Pakistan by an odds of 10/1 and been quite wrong

There is still an Issue with the question statement and option A. They are not the same as highlighted above.
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The correct answer is D.

In the official explanation, it is mentioned that the only thing missing in D is that it misses the speculative nature of the question. That understanding is wrong because the beginning of the underlined portion is 'would be', which retains the speculative aspect, highlighting that it is a speculation that the predictor may have chosen Pakistan. But the second half is not speculative if we go purely by the meaning of the sentence. We know that had the speculation favored Pakistan, it would definitely be wrong. There is enough in the tonality of the question to suggest that the author is commenting on past events, and the fact that a predictor will be wrong if Pakistan were chosen is not speculative.
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