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UNC Kenan-Flagler vs. Simon($$) vs. Rotman 14 Dec 2017, 08:19
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Hi everyone, I was lucky to get accepted to some great MBA programs, UNC Kenan-Flagler, Simon (with US$ 60k of scholarship) and Rotman. I am from Brazil and intend to make a career change from Marketing to Management Consulting after the MBA (recruiting both in the US and in Brazil). Product Management in the Tech sector would be my plan B. I am single and will live by myself during the MBA, so family isn't a concern. Could you please share your thoughts on these MBA programs? I have visited the schools' campus and really enjoyed them all, but I am leaning towards UNC, because I believe the school is stronger in Consulting (additionally, I consider Chapel Hill / Research Triangle region as a better place to live and recruit than Rochester - NY). Toronto is becoming an unfeasible option because of financing issues.

PS: I am waiting for responses from Duke, McCombs and Georgetown, so I would appreciate if you could comment on these schools as well.

Thanks!
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UNC Kenan-Flagler vs. Simon($$) vs. Rotman 14 Dec 2017, 08:35
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Congrats on your admits. If MC is your goal, I think KF would be a better. Moreover, its an internationally recognized school. Even if you got money from Simon, not sure its worth your time as you already have KF.
Of course, you should go to Duke if you are admitted. There is no second thought about it even without scholarship money.
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UNC Kenan-Flagler vs. Simon($$) vs. Rotman 14 Dec 2017, 17:13
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Congrats on your admits. If MC is your goal, I think KF would be a better. Moreover, its an internationally recognized school. Even if you got money from Simon, not sure its worth your time as you already have KF.
Of course, you should go to Duke if you are admitted. There is no second thought about it even without scholarship money.
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Thank you for your coments, whymba909!!

bb, I saw that you just started a discussion on top 20 vs. top 40 with scholarship. I would really appreciate if you could share your thoughts in my case!

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UNC Kenan-Flagler vs. Simon($$) vs. Rotman 14 Dec 2017, 17:34
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Sorry to hear about Rotman being not feasible due to financing - it is a top school in Canada and definitely very popular lately - all Canadian programs have taken off in the last year. Prodigy Finance can't help there?

UNC vs. Simon with $60K scholarship?
Technically UNC Is $130K for 2 years and Simon is $98K-60K for 2 years. Add about $60K more for living expenses over 2 years.
That's $190K vs. $98K. Savings of $90K - that's almost full tuition for Simon.

The question is whether UNC can help you get a job faster and better than what Simon will. (You will get additional benefits from attending UNC obviously, including a larger class size - almost 300). Simon has been falling for the last 10 or so years in rankings and is barely hanging on to the Top 40, being a #43 and #65 on GMAT Club's popularity ranking that includes international programs. Simon is/was a heavy finance school and quite remote - the key industry in the city was a Kodak plant and that went kaput a long time ago. Recruiting is going to be tough.

I don't know, I still feel UNC is a slightly better option with a large class size and your career goals. If it were a full ride, then it would be a much more attractive proposition. I hope you get in at McCombs next week or maybe Fuqua would be a much better trade off!

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Concentration: General Management, Strategy
Schools: Kenan-Flagler '20 (A) Rotman '20 (A) Simon '20 (A$) Kellogg '20 (D) Darden '20 (WL) Duke '20 (WL) Tuck '20 (D) McCombs '20 (M$) McDonough '20 (A$)
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Schools: Kenan-Flagler '20 (A) Rotman '20 (A) Simon '20 (A$) Kellogg '20 (D) Darden '20 (WL) Duke '20 (WL) Tuck '20 (D) McCombs '20 (M$) McDonough '20 (A$)
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UNC Kenan-Flagler vs. Simon($$) vs. Rotman 15 Dec 2017, 05:21
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Sorry to hear about Rotman being not feasible due to financing - it is a top school in Canada and definitely very popular lately - all Canadian programs have taken off in the last year. Prodigy Finance can't help there?

UNC vs. Simon with $60K scholarship?
Technically UNC Is $130K for 2 years and Simon is $98K-60K for 2 years. Add about $60K more for living expenses over 2 years.
That's $190K vs. $98K. Savings of $90K - that's almost full tuition for Simon.

The question is whether UNC can help you get a job faster and better than what Simon will. (You will get additional benefits from attending UNC obviously, including a larger class size - almost 300). Simon has been falling for the last 10 or so years in rankings and is barely hanging on to the Top 40, being a #43 and #65 on GMAT Club's popularity ranking that includes international programs. Simon is/was a heavy finance school and quite remote - the key industry in the city was a Kodak plant and that went kaput a long time ago. Recruiting is going to be tough.

I don't know, I still feel UNC is a slightly better option with a large class size and your career goals. If it were a full ride, then it would be a much more attractive proposition. I hope you get in at McCombs next week or maybe Fuqua would be a much better trade off!

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Thanks a lot, bb!!! Great and very helpful analysis! Regarding your question on Rotman, Prodigy pre-approved only US$ 20k/year for me, and I was not able to get an Stand By Letter of Credit with Brazilian banks, in order to get a loan from BMO (through Rotman's partnership). I asked for a scholarship, but the maximum they would be able to offer me would be US$ 10k, which would still not be enough, considering my approved Progigy loan and my personal savings that I will use for the MBA. Therefore, since there is a financial gap for me to attend Rotman and I was accepted at some good schools in the US (to which I would have better financing options), I am probably going to prioritize US schools.

I am looking forward to receiving an update from Fuqua today! I was waitlisted in the Early Action, and sent some additional letters over the past two months. Just out of curiosity, since you mentioned McCombs, would you choose McCombs over UNC?

Thanks again!
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UNC Kenan-Flagler vs. Simon($$) vs. Rotman 15 Dec 2017, 05:41
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@mbaclass2020
Congratulations on those admits.
what is your GMAT score?

Cheers,
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Location: Brazil
Concentration: General Management, Strategy
Schools: Kenan-Flagler '20 (A) Rotman '20 (A) Simon '20 (A$) Kellogg '20 (D) Darden '20 (WL) Duke '20 (WL) Tuck '20 (D) McCombs '20 (M$) McDonough '20 (A$)
GMAT 1: 660 Q47 V34
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Schools: Kenan-Flagler '20 (A) Rotman '20 (A) Simon '20 (A$) Kellogg '20 (D) Darden '20 (WL) Duke '20 (WL) Tuck '20 (D) McCombs '20 (M$) McDonough '20 (A$)
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UNC Kenan-Flagler vs. Simon($$) vs. Rotman 15 Dec 2017, 19:46
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Congratulations on those admits.
what is your GMAT score?

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Hi roykabir772, thanks!
I applied with 650 (Q42 V38) and 660 (Q47 V34)