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17 Feb 2022, 03:50
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Would appreciate insights in deciding between these programs. I have been admitted to a few of these schools already and awaiting results of the others.
Background:
I have 13+ years of work exp as a Senior Manager in IT. I have worked across four continents and led several large projects across the globe. Post MBA- I am looking to move into operational roles such as a General Manager within the tech space. I live in Europe at the moment. I am 35 years old and do not have a family- hence, the location or the type of program in general is not a constraint for me as of now.
All of these programs are amazing and I feel humbled to be accepted into a few already, however, now that I have to pay the deposit, I really could use the insights and advice from this lovely and supportive community to make an informed decision.
I am listing the options based on the preferred order below:
1. Wharton EMBA- This was my top choice as based on all my research so far, Wharton seems to win at every forum possible. I can definitely travel between Europe and the US to do this program - The only issue might be for the Wharton EMBA as they don't issue the I-20 form (since EMBA is a part time-program) and I am unsure if I can travel from Europe using a Business visa. Would appreciate help to understand from any international student who did this program without the study visa.
*If this becomes a legal issue i.e., if I am not allowed to do this program using my business visa instead of study/work permit, then I will look at the following options**
2. Stanford MSx- I am leaning towards Stanford because of the experience and atmosphere Stanford offers its students. However, I do understand that this is not an MBA program and hence I am unsure if I should prefer this program over others.
3. MIT Sloan Fellows- Like MSx, this is also a full time 1 year MBA program so that experience and learning (in my mind) would be better over EMBAs. I could be wrong and hence reaching out to you all to understand if EMBAs are as good as these 1 year programs.
4. EMBAs (other than Wharton): Chicago Booth London, INSEAD and IMD-- I spoke to dozens of alumni and they all say great things about each of these programs. Location wise, INSEAD and IMD are both equidistant from where I live. IMD focuses more on strategy and leadership compared to Booth and INSEAD that build up basics in addition. I don't really have a preference here, but if this community suggests that an EMBA is better than the MSx and Sloan Fellows, then if I can't do Wharton, I will choose one of these three based on simply the schedule of their classes and my work schedule.
I hope you will spare some time to help me with this decision. I appreciate all your insights.
Background:
I have 13+ years of work exp as a Senior Manager in IT. I have worked across four continents and led several large projects across the globe. Post MBA- I am looking to move into operational roles such as a General Manager within the tech space. I live in Europe at the moment. I am 35 years old and do not have a family- hence, the location or the type of program in general is not a constraint for me as of now.
All of these programs are amazing and I feel humbled to be accepted into a few already, however, now that I have to pay the deposit, I really could use the insights and advice from this lovely and supportive community to make an informed decision.
I am listing the options based on the preferred order below:
1. Wharton EMBA- This was my top choice as based on all my research so far, Wharton seems to win at every forum possible. I can definitely travel between Europe and the US to do this program - The only issue might be for the Wharton EMBA as they don't issue the I-20 form (since EMBA is a part time-program) and I am unsure if I can travel from Europe using a Business visa. Would appreciate help to understand from any international student who did this program without the study visa.
*If this becomes a legal issue i.e., if I am not allowed to do this program using my business visa instead of study/work permit, then I will look at the following options**
2. Stanford MSx- I am leaning towards Stanford because of the experience and atmosphere Stanford offers its students. However, I do understand that this is not an MBA program and hence I am unsure if I should prefer this program over others.
3. MIT Sloan Fellows- Like MSx, this is also a full time 1 year MBA program so that experience and learning (in my mind) would be better over EMBAs. I could be wrong and hence reaching out to you all to understand if EMBAs are as good as these 1 year programs.
4. EMBAs (other than Wharton): Chicago Booth London, INSEAD and IMD-- I spoke to dozens of alumni and they all say great things about each of these programs. Location wise, INSEAD and IMD are both equidistant from where I live. IMD focuses more on strategy and leadership compared to Booth and INSEAD that build up basics in addition. I don't really have a preference here, but if this community suggests that an EMBA is better than the MSx and Sloan Fellows, then if I can't do Wharton, I will choose one of these three based on simply the schedule of their classes and my work schedule.
I hope you will spare some time to help me with this decision. I appreciate all your insights.
18 Feb 2022, 09:31
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Congratulations on your admits! This is an impressive list of programs!
With EMBA's the big value of the program is your classmates, your immediate network, and being able to translate it into a recruiting opportunity since many EMBA's shy away from recruiting (and I don't blame them; it is really unstructured trying to get a job for a bunch of execs with a myriad of different preferences, backgrounds, and goals).
There is a big question about where you want to be based long term and if you are looking to relocate to the US. Only MsX and Sloan will provide you that avenue.
Moreover, there is a choice of 1-year FT program vs. multi-year EMBA. Do you want to be looking for a new job when you graduate? Do you need to take time off or do you feel that's a move that is too drastic and you want to combine work and studies and focus on recruiting later or perhaps you have a spot you are looking to fill in your company?
I can see Stanford or Sloan being very transformative 1-year periods like you will never be able to do again. This is a unique experience that many value if they want to change what they are doing. Helpful if you are sick of what you are doing or perhaps not sure what you want to do. Many people doing soul-searching choose these programs.
On the flip side, it is safer to combine work and school and if you want to be in the EU in the long term, INSEAD or any of the EU Schools would be great.
Wharton and visa - good question. I have no slightest idea. I am guessing you can come on a tourist or work visa. One of the challenges I see with Wharton EMBA is leveraging you network for recruiting. Your immediate network (your classmates) will be your strongest group and they can refer you or recommend you or even hire you... but if you are not already in the US, it is a pain to being you over and an extra barrier for them to hop through. In other words, it is not smooth and requires a higher bar of them being super excited about you. At the same time, if you are looking for a job in EU, you will likely not have too many Wharton EMBA grads there. Some but not 70, 50 or likely even 20% of the program - maybe 5% (I can be very wrong - I do not the numbers). So to me from the standpoint of brand, yes, Wharton is great but it is going to be pretty weak with networking and using your immediate and strongest network so does not seem like the strongest choice. About the visa, I would ask the school (they will likely not answer your question though) so I would ask to get in touch with one of the current EU students perhaps and ask them to make an intro.
My choice personally would be Sloan or MsX since you are getting the FT experience and that's valuable but it may not be a fit for everyone and has its issues and limitations. Being in the US, you have the greatest earning potential which is a plus in my book but not the main driver. I don't like evaluating an MBA only from a financial standpoint but rather making it a second or third choice.
Finally, my second choice would be an EU program and Wharton/Booth would probably be my last. It is clearly in conflict with what you are projecting, so let me know what I failed to consider (choices are always more complex than what you can write in a single post).
Congratulations again on your admits!
-BB
With EMBA's the big value of the program is your classmates, your immediate network, and being able to translate it into a recruiting opportunity since many EMBA's shy away from recruiting (and I don't blame them; it is really unstructured trying to get a job for a bunch of execs with a myriad of different preferences, backgrounds, and goals).
There is a big question about where you want to be based long term and if you are looking to relocate to the US. Only MsX and Sloan will provide you that avenue.
Moreover, there is a choice of 1-year FT program vs. multi-year EMBA. Do you want to be looking for a new job when you graduate? Do you need to take time off or do you feel that's a move that is too drastic and you want to combine work and studies and focus on recruiting later or perhaps you have a spot you are looking to fill in your company?
I can see Stanford or Sloan being very transformative 1-year periods like you will never be able to do again. This is a unique experience that many value if they want to change what they are doing. Helpful if you are sick of what you are doing or perhaps not sure what you want to do. Many people doing soul-searching choose these programs.
On the flip side, it is safer to combine work and school and if you want to be in the EU in the long term, INSEAD or any of the EU Schools would be great.
Wharton and visa - good question. I have no slightest idea. I am guessing you can come on a tourist or work visa. One of the challenges I see with Wharton EMBA is leveraging you network for recruiting. Your immediate network (your classmates) will be your strongest group and they can refer you or recommend you or even hire you... but if you are not already in the US, it is a pain to being you over and an extra barrier for them to hop through. In other words, it is not smooth and requires a higher bar of them being super excited about you. At the same time, if you are looking for a job in EU, you will likely not have too many Wharton EMBA grads there. Some but not 70, 50 or likely even 20% of the program - maybe 5% (I can be very wrong - I do not the numbers). So to me from the standpoint of brand, yes, Wharton is great but it is going to be pretty weak with networking and using your immediate and strongest network so does not seem like the strongest choice. About the visa, I would ask the school (they will likely not answer your question though) so I would ask to get in touch with one of the current EU students perhaps and ask them to make an intro.
My choice personally would be Sloan or MsX since you are getting the FT experience and that's valuable but it may not be a fit for everyone and has its issues and limitations. Being in the US, you have the greatest earning potential which is a plus in my book but not the main driver. I don't like evaluating an MBA only from a financial standpoint but rather making it a second or third choice.
Finally, my second choice would be an EU program and Wharton/Booth would probably be my last. It is clearly in conflict with what you are projecting, so let me know what I failed to consider (choices are always more complex than what you can write in a single post).
Congratulations again on your admits!
-BB
18 Feb 2022, 10:04
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Thank you very much bb. I am extremely grateful. As you can see, I am confused 
But based on your advice and the advice of my mentors, I will now choose the 1 year programs over Wharton and other EMBAs. For some reason, I thought Wharton would be huge, but it looks like MIT Sloan's 1 year is as good in your books and I trust your judgement here as without GMATClub and this community, I wouldn't have reached so far.
I dont have a constraint to live in Europe, but if even I need to return I think both Stanford and MIT are very well known across the world so I wouldn't miss out on anything on that front. My office will grant me a sabbatical, so If I don't find any better job opportunity, I can come back. However, preferably, after spending so much money, I would want to find a better opportunity in the US.
Another question- Between Stanford MSx and MIT Sloan Fellows, which one would you prefer more and why? I have read several of your replies, however, I can't see to figure out which is better. Location, as I stated, is not an issue for me, so whether its Boston or California, both are equal in my eyes as of now. Without a shadow of doubt, I would have preferred Stanford had it been an MBA, but I am unsure if the MSx will give me the same opportunities and advantages later on in life as an MBA from MIT would. Hence, I have a hard time comparing the two programs and deciding on which one to choose. Would appreciate your help here too.
Thank you again very much
But based on your advice and the advice of my mentors, I will now choose the 1 year programs over Wharton and other EMBAs. For some reason, I thought Wharton would be huge, but it looks like MIT Sloan's 1 year is as good in your books and I trust your judgement here as without GMATClub and this community, I wouldn't have reached so far.I dont have a constraint to live in Europe, but if even I need to return I think both Stanford and MIT are very well known across the world so I wouldn't miss out on anything on that front. My office will grant me a sabbatical, so If I don't find any better job opportunity, I can come back. However, preferably, after spending so much money, I would want to find a better opportunity in the US.
Another question- Between Stanford MSx and MIT Sloan Fellows, which one would you prefer more and why? I have read several of your replies, however, I can't see to figure out which is better. Location, as I stated, is not an issue for me, so whether its Boston or California, both are equal in my eyes as of now. Without a shadow of doubt, I would have preferred Stanford had it been an MBA, but I am unsure if the MSx will give me the same opportunities and advantages later on in life as an MBA from MIT would. Hence, I have a hard time comparing the two programs and deciding on which one to choose. Would appreciate your help here too.
Thank you again very much
