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With the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives trying to relieve the congestion that has led to at least four class-action lawsuits and thousands of complaints from frustrated customers.

(A) the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives trying to relieve

(B) the patience of its customers and its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives that try to relieve

(C) its network and the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives to try to relieve

(D) its network and with the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of initiatives to try relieving

(E) its network and its customers’ patience strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives to try relieving

With its network and the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point, America Online announced a series of new initiatives yesterday to try to relieve the congestion that has led to at least four class-action lawsuits and thousands of complaints from frustrated consumers.

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With the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives trying to relieve the congestion that has led to at least four class-action lawsuits and thousands of complaints from frustrated customers.

A. the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives trying to relieve
B. the patience of its customers and its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives that try to relieve
C. its network and the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives to try to relieve
D. its network and with the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of initiatives to try relieving
E. its network and its customers’ patience strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives to try relieving

Dear AbdurRakib

I'm happy to respond.

I began focusing on the split at the end. The verb "try" most naturally takes the infinitive; "try" + [gerund] sounds casual. Also, the infinitive of purpose sounds more natural than a participle or a "that" clause. Therefore, (C) seems like the best choice.

Also, notice that we don't have to repeat the word "with," so (A) & (D) are out.

The phrase "its customers’ patience" in (E) is very awkward.

Rhetorically, when we have a preposition and then two elements, one long and one short, it often makes more sense to have the shorter one first so that we can see the relationship that both elements have to the preposition. Thus:
With its network and the patience of its customers = more preferable
With the patience of its customers and its network = less preferable

All of these work together to make (C) the best answer.

Does all this make sense?
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Can anyone explain what is wrong in B

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Hi somtsat99 ,

B has two probelms :

1. "the patience of its customers and its network strained to the breaking point". It is trying to convey the meaning with the patience of a) its customers b) its network. This is illogical meaning. There is not patience of its network.

2. "the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives that try to relieve". Look at the word 'that'. It means initiatives were trying to relieve something. Hence, again Illogical.

I hope it makes sense.
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With the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives trying to relieve the congestion that has led to at least four class-action lawsuits and thousands of complaints from frustrated customers.

A. the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives trying to relieve

B. the patience of its customers and its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives that try to relieve

C. its network and the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives to try to relieve
--> correct.

D. its network and with the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of initiatives to try relieving

E. its network and its customers’ patience strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives to try relieving
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29 Jun 2017, 23:09
Imo C
Customers patience and its network were strained to the breaking point .
A and B are wrong because of the placement of with.
A and B suggest the customers patience was tested because of the network but still this idea is also not completed in A and B.
D and E the gerund at the end is not proper .
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The preposition 'with' is not underlined. From A to E, the modified noun namely -the on-line service company- is supposed to have announced something jointly with its network and the patience of its customers. In other words, what are the role of the network and the patience of the customers in the company announcing some plans? I feel that the company together with the network and the patience did not jointly announce the new plans, an altogether pointless perception.

Wouldn't be the use of a subordinate clause using the conjunction 'as" have been better to elucidate the intent better than the with as the modifier?

The amended theme: As the patience of its customers and its network got strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives
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19 Jul 2017, 00:52
would appreciate response from egmat

apart from the issue of try,trying..is there any issue in the first clause i.e "with the patience......breaking point".I get confused badly with the question starting with " with".As per my understanding "with" is used to convey "with the help of something" whereas here " with" is used to show the reason.Secondly "strained" is modifying noun or noun phrase?What is the noun phrase here.Pls clear the doubts
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AbdurRakib wrote:
The Official Guide for GMAT Review 2018
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Question No.: 782

With the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives trying to relieve the congestion that has led to at least four class-action lawsuits and thousands of complaints from frustrated customers.

A. the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives trying to relieve
B. the patience of its customers and its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives that try to relieve
C. its network and the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives to try to relieve
D. its network and with the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of initiatives to try relieving
E. its network and its customers’ patience strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives to try relieving

A - the second 'with' is redundant. One 'with' would suffice. Out.
B - 'the patience of it's customers and its network' -> Illogical Meaning + 'that' modifying initiatives which is also illogical. Out.
C - No Issues. Keep.
D - Same as A + Unnecessary Verb+ing modifier which essentially means they haven't been able to relieve the congestion yet. Out.
E - its customers' patience is awkward + Verb+ing modifier is again unnecessary. Out.

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09 Sep 2017, 05:41
In OG, it explained for (A) "The phrase trying to relieve is probably meant to explain the purpose of the initiatives , but does not do so unambiguously.(for example, trying could modify either the company or initiatives , and it is not clear which is intended)."
I think it's a totally wrong explanation, the rear half of the option A could be "the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives, trying to relieve...". "-ing" modifies the main clause of the sentence, and it can connect directly to the subject of the sentence, so should have zero problem.
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A brainstorm

The preposition 'with' is not underlined. From A to E, the modified noun namely -the on-line service company- is supposed to have announced something jointly with its network and the patience of its customers. In other words, what are the role of the network and the patience of the customers in the company announcing some plans? I feel that the company together with the network and the patience did not jointly announce the new plans, an altogether pointless perception.

Wouldn't be the use of a subordinate clause using the conjunction 'as" have been better to elucidate the intent better than the with as the modifier?

The amended theme: As the patience of its customers and its network got strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives

daagh when i read your amended sentence it seems as the patience of customers andpatience of network
both got strained to the breaking point
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18 Sep 2017, 08:41
noun+ to do
is a idiom we should know. not all noun can appear in this pattern. if we know this pattern, we can see that all other choice except c is correct.

in grammar book, the pattern is explained.
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18 Sep 2017, 10:48
AbdurRakib wrote:
The Official Guide for GMAT Review 2018
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Question No.: 782

With the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives trying to relieve the congestion that has led to at least four class-action lawsuits and thousands of complaints from frustrated customers.

(A) the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives trying to relieve

(B) the patience of its customers and its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives that try to relieve

(C) its network and the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives to try to relieve

(D) its network and with the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of initiatives to try relieving

(E) its network and its customers’ patience strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives to try relieving

Good question- Why not D. Just because infinitive is followed by gerund ??
Even if it is followed, then what is the rule..Please throw some strong light on C vs D
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18 Sep 2017, 10:49
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AbdurRakib wrote:
The Official Guide for GMAT Review 2018
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Question No.: 782

With the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives trying to relieve the congestion that has led to at least four class-action lawsuits and thousands of complaints from frustrated customers.

(A) the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives trying to relieve

(B) the patience of its customers and its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives that try to relieve

(C) its network and the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives to try to relieve

(D) its network and with the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of initiatives to try relieving

(E) its network and its customers’ patience strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives to try relieving

Good question- Why not D. Just because infinitive is followed by gerund ??
Even if it is followed, then what is the rule..Please throw some strong light on C vs D

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26 Oct 2017, 02:18
Hi,

I wanted to get some advice on option D...
It is not a mandatory rule that WITH must not be repeated. Since I think if the parallelism is grammatically and logically clear then there is no issue...and here

With its network and with the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point, OR

With its network and the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point SHOULD be both correct...
M i right on this??

However the other difference in the Correct ans and option D is
to try relieving VS to try to relieve

Now can anyone pls provide some reasons OTHER than ANY GRAMMATICAL RULE why I should go for to try to relieve and NOT to try relieving

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Good question- Why not D. Just because infinitive is followed by gerund ??
Even if it is followed, then what is the rule..Please throw some strong light on C vs D

With the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives trying to relieve the congestion that has led to at least four class-action lawsuits and thousands of complaints from frustrated customers.

(C) its network and the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives to try to relieve

(D) its network and with the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of initiatives to try relieving

In D

1- "with" is redundant.
2- "new" is missing, which changes the meaning.
3- "try relieving" and "try to relieve" differ in meaning. https://www.englishforums.com/English/T ... r/post.htm
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29 Oct 2017, 08:06
Hi Mike,

I have one question. Preposition + noun + participle is not preferred in GMAT as too much of action jammed into single modifier.

But each option for this question has this "Preposition + noun + participle" - "With the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point" modifier - is this correct?

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29 Oct 2017, 12:57
hellosanthosh2k2 wrote:
Hi Mike,

I have one question. Preposition + noun + participle is not preferred in GMAT as too much of action jammed into single modifier.

But each option for this question has this "Preposition + noun + participle" - "With the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point" modifier - is this correct?

Thanks

Hi Mike
In your article written about the usage of above-mentioned sort of construction(With + Noun +Participle)the link for which I've shared, You've described 02 cases when these constructions would work. Link: https://magoosh.com/gmat/2015/with-noun ... orrection/
i Case I: action by a different agent, where "With + Noun +Participle" is always wrong as per the article.
II Case II: additional description: where the " With + Noun +Participle" phrase makes sense with the subject of the sentence and provides an additional description about it and the usage is correct.

However, I fail to see the usage of "With + Noun +Participle" in the problem of this thread falling into any of these categories. Kindly explain how the expression " With + Noun +Participle " makse sense with the clause here.
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