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can anyone suggest why "owning and living..land" is considered as singular; here we are using "and" to combine 2 goals so verb should be plural (are)


There are few exception in such usage....but IMO GMAT will not test on such usage..as you can clearly see in this question ..this is in non underlined portion.

one example which i can remember is;
fish and chips is my favourite breakfast.

MOREOVER CONSIDER== AS -->THIS IS WRONG IN GMAT.
CORRECT USAGE IS CONSIDER X,Y

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thanks for "consider as" correction :-) but i am still struggling to find the rules for singular/plural usage when there is "AND" in the subject, as per MGMAT subject is considered plural whenever "AND" is used within the subject

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According to a recent poll, owing and living in a free standing house on its own land is still a goal of majority of young adults,like that of earlier generations.

A) like that of earlier generations.
B) as that of earlier generations.
C) just as earlier generations did
D) as have earlier generations
E) as it was of earlier generations

Its an OG 12 Q..I got this wrong..Not able to even get the explanations mentioned.
Can anyone pls explain.


Isint it in the last option sounds ambiguous?
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The entire phrase is the subject:
"owning and living in a free standing house on its own land" and phrases are considered singular.


Actually phrases can be plural as well. For example:

Sleeping and reading are his hobbies.

However, the sentence here is unique in that sense because owning and living in a free standing house on its own land is just one goal, and hence singular.

Perhaps what you might be getting slightly confused with the fact that Noun clauses are always singular.
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According to a recent poll, owing and living in a free standing house on its own land is still a goal of majority of young adults,like that of earlier generations.

A) like that of earlier generations.
B) as that of earlier generations.
C) just as earlier generations did
D) as have earlier generations
E) as it was of earlier generations

Its an OG 12 Q..I got this wrong..Not able to even get the explanations mentioned.
Can anyone pls explain.


Like is a preposition so it should always be followed by a noun phrase. A is Out.
B is incorrect because it makes an incorrect comparison .ie owing and living == as that of earlier generations.
C) did-> verb is not needed here.
D) A clause should follow 'as' because as is comparing goals of previous generations to that of current generations.
E is the correct answer.

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According to a recent poll, owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults, like that of earlier generations.
A. like that of earlier generations
B. as that of for earlier generations
C. just as earlier generations did
D. as have earlier generations
E. as it was of earlier generations

Could you please help me explain the following points?
1. Does the possessive pronoun 'its' stand for freestanding house?
2. Within my limit knowledge, the underlined part = like a goal of earlier generations. Is it right? If not, could you explain for me?
3. I am confused between A and E. Are their meaning different from each other?

Thank you very much.

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According to a recent poll, owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults, like that of earlier generations.
A. like that of earlier generations
B. as that of for earlier generations
C. just as earlier generations did
D. as have earlier generations
E. as it was of earlier generations

Could you please help me explain the following points?
1. Does the possessive pronoun 'its' stand for freestanding house?
2. Within my limit knowledge, the underlined part = like a goal of earlier generations. Is it right? If not, could you explain for me?
3. I am confused between A and E. Are their meaning different from each other?

Thank you very much.

The meaning of answer A and E is not the same. "Like" should always be placed very close to the noun that it refers to. Here it is placed just after the noun "a majority of young adults" and we may have the impression that it is "a majority of young adults" and not their goals that are being compared with the goals of earlier generations.
Answer E solves this problem by using the comparison with "as."
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[quote="misanguyen2010"]According to a recent poll, owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults, like that of earlier generations.
A. like that of earlier generations
B. as that of for earlier generations
C. just as earlier generations did
D. as have earlier generations
E. as it was of earlier generations

Regarding A.

"like...." refer to the subject of the preceding clause, to "owning and living".
we can say
I teach business management like you
the above sentence is correct. gmat presents one similar question, " computer can think like human" plse do searching for this question.

"like..." in A follow comma, it must refer to the subject of the preceding clause.
so, this reference in A is not logic.

I teach management like you= I teach management as you do
I teach management, like you= like you, I teach management

do you agree with me.? gmat is not declare that rule. we have to infer the rules from OA in og books.
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This sentence compares a single goal shared by generations. The second part of the sentence must have the same structure as the first part: a clause with a subject and a verb.The phrase owning...land is the subject of the first clause; in the correct sentence, the pronoun it refers back to this phrase and is the subject of the second clause. The first verb is also parallels the second verb was. The prepositional phrases of a majority of young adults and of earlier generations are parallel and correct.

A. Phrase, without subject and verb, is not parallel to the main clause.
B. Phrase, without subject and verb, is not parallel to the main clause.
C. Subject and verb of the second clause - earlier generations did—are not parallel to those of the main clause.
D. The verb have is not parallel to is in the main clause and also does not make sense without a past participle.
E. Correct. In this sentence as shows comparison and introduces a subordinate clause in which all grammatical elements correspond to those in the main clause.

The correct answer is E.
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According to a recent poll, owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults,like that of earlier generations.
(A) like that of earlier generations
(B) as that for earlier generations
(C) just as earlier generations did
(D) as have earlier generations
(E) as it was of earlier generations



i read the previous queries related to this questions but still i am not sure if my understanding is correct.So, please correct me if i am wrong.

A)According to a recent poll, owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults,like that of earlier generations.

meaning: In this sentence the goal of present generation and earlier generations are compared.

as we have like after comma, THAT is compared to the subject of the sentence owning and living..... land.

In this sentence THAT should refer to goal. But THAT refers to the nearest noun which can be young adults,majority of young adults, or goal. so there is ambiguity.



E)as it was of earlier generations

here "it" unambiguously refers to the subject of the sentence "owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land" and doesn't refer to because when a pronoun is used just after comma it should refer to the subject.
so the sentence can be re written as :According to a recent poll, owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults, as owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land was (a goal-elipsis) of earlier generations.



the Og explanation says that option a is incorrect because phrase without subject is not parallel to the main clause.

i am not sure what does this mean.Does it mean that "that"is ambiguous ?

is there any other error that i am missing in A ??

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In this sentence THAT should refer to goal. But THAT refers to the nearest noun which can be young adults,majority of young adults, or goal. so there is ambiguity.

Hi Sid, when you mention: THAT refers to the nearest noun which can be young adults,majority of young adults, or goal, I believe you are interpreting the usage of that as as relative pronoun (For example, This is the ball that burst. Here, that as as relative pronoun and refers to ball).

In the sentence under consideration, that is used as a demonstrative pronoun. You might want to refer to the discussion on the thread below, to enhance your understanding.

http://gmatclub.com/forum/according-to-a-recent-poll-owning-and-living-in-a-15189.html#p1387526

p.s. Our book SC Nirvana discusses the various avatars of that, their application and examples in significant detail. If you can PM you email, I can send you the corresponding section.
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M getting confused with the antecedent of "it" in option E! Unable to figure out whether it refers to the whole idea of "owning and living......" or just to the "goal". Can someone please guide me through.

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M getting confused with the antecedent of "it" in option E! Unable to figure out whether it refers to the whole idea of "owning and living......" or just to the "goal". Can someone please guide me through.

According to me , It refers to the whole idea "owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land" and a goal is implicit and is in ellipsis.
as it was [a goal] of earlier generations

I am no expert but gave my opinion.if i am wrong no bashing plz :lol:
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I think this problem is harder than we thought.

in A, "like that of the earlier generation " is " like goal of the earlier generation" . this is possible because the paralelism permit us to infer the second "goal".

but if the sentence is like above pattern, there is a problem

we know that
main clause+like+noun= main clause as noun do

apply above pattern to this problem, choice A is
owning is a goal of adult as goal of earlier generation is goal of adult. non sense.



like can be an adjective, not a prepostion, as it is in
I am a like person=I am a similar person
"like" working as adjective dose not show a comparision. "like" working as prepotition show a comparison.

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"like" in the pattern of choice A must be a preposition and can not work as adjective.

only in the following , "like" work as an adjective
I am a like person=I am a similar person
like father,like son

to sumarize

" like" working as a preposition in certain patterns show comparision
"like" working as an adjective in certanin patterns shows no comparion

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[quote="scp"]According to a recent poll, owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults, like that of earlier generations.
(A) like that of earlier generations
(B) as that for earlier generations
(C) just as earlier generations did
(D) as have earlier generations
(E) as it was of earlier generation

in the pattern

main clause+like +noun
"like noun" refers to the subject of main clause and never refers to the immediatly preceding noun.
I learn english like you=I learn english as you

I learn english like french
never exist in english because in this pattern" like "can not work as adjective to modify "english"

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According to a recent poll, owing and living in a free standing house on its own land is still a goal of majority of young adults,like that of earlier generations.

A) like that of earlier generations.
B) as that of earlier generations.
C) just as earlier generations did
D) as have earlier generations
E) as it was of earlier generations

Its an OG 12 Q..I got this wrong..Not able to even get the explanations mentioned.
Can anyone pls explain.



We know for sure that we are comparing two sets of people young adults and earlier generation with same goal-owing and living in a free standing house on its own land.

A is incorrect- Whenever Like is used with comma after a clause it ALWAYS refers back-modifies- the subject of the previous clause.
A WRONGLY means the following-
According to a recent poll, owing and living in a free standing house on its own land like that of earlier generations. is still a goal of majority of young adults.
Does the above makes sense? Absolutely not. :) :)

B is incorrect- WHat is the antecedent of THAT? goal or the house .Moreover, the clause lacks a clear subject and verb.

C --In the AS Clause-the subject earlier generations and the verb did are not parallel to that of main clause.C compares earlier generations with owing and living in a free standing house on its own land. Verb is , is not parallel with did.

D- the verb is and have are not parallel.
The original sentence use IS to state a FACT.

E- CORRECT
E corrects all errors. It maintains parallelism and compares the correct entities- Young Adults and the Earlier Generations.As introduces a subordinate clause and the verb of the As clause is parallel to the verb of the main clause.

TAKE AWAY-
1. use of like
2. use of as
3. use of As to introduce a dependent clause- complete with its own subject and verb.
4.Identification of comparable entities
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jullysabat wrote:
According to a recent poll, owing and living in a free standing house on its own land is still a goal of majority of young adults,like that of earlier generations.

A) like that of earlier generations.
B) as that of earlier generations.
C) just as earlier generations did
D) as have earlier generations
E) as it was of earlier generations

Its an OG 12 Q..I got this wrong..Not able to even get the explanations mentioned.
Can anyone pls explain.


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Could you please provide your comments on this.

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why A is wrong'

"like that of " is grammatical to go with "goal of"

so why A is wrong.

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thangvietnam wrote:
why A is wrong'

"like that of " is grammatical to go with "goal of"

so why A is wrong.

this question is basic and can helpful for thinking of gmac on sc section.


You are absolutely right that "like that of" is grammatically parallel with "goal of".

For example: The goal of young adults, like that of earlier generations.


However, in A, the placement of "like that of earlier generations" is problematic.

"that of" comes in the end and refers to "something singular" in the previous clause. It may refer to "owning and living" as that's the subject of the previous clause.

Thus, the use of "that" is ambiguous in A.


Option E fixes this problem by introducing a verb (was). It puts a cause parallel to another clause.

Hope it helps!

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The parallelism in this case is of the type: AS+CLAUSE.
Owning and living in a free standing house on its own land is still a goal of majority of young adults. Eliminating the middle man this would be:
It (owning and living in a free standing house on its own land) is still a goal OF. This parallels:
AS It was OF earlier generations.
Was shows contrast with still--It was and still is.

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