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Hi sayantanc2k,

Thanks for answering, I just felt like there were several inconsistencies with what I read. Please correct me if I am wrong, this is how I see things:

(i) the subject of previous clause
- a comma + ING modifier can modify the subject of the clause ONLY when placed before the clause
EXAMPLE Modifying subject: wearing high heels, I talked to my friend (my heels had nothing to do with my talking to my friend). Therefore high heels only modify ‘me’

- when place before the clause it can also modify the entire clause (by bringing additional info)

EXAMPLE Modifying the entire clause: Using my phone, I talked to my friend (How did I talk to my friend? By using the phone. This modifies the entire clause)

(ii) the whole clause, if it is expressing result

- when placed after the clause, it always modifies the entire clause, but the ING modifier can now have TWO functions: bringing additional info or bringing the result)
EXAMPLE Modifying the entire clause bringing additional info: I talked to my friend, using my phone. (How did I talk to my friend? By using the phone.)
EXAMPLE Modifying the entire clause bringing result: I played with my phone, finishing the battery. (the result of playing with my phone was that I finished my battery)

(iii) may refer back to an in between noun in the previous clause. Such a construction is considered correct.

This is the role of a noun + noun modifier: the only time that an ING modifier holds the same role as a noun + noun modifier is when the ING modifier modifies the entire clause by bringing additional information and when the noun + noun modifier also modifies the entire clause.

EXAMPLE ING modifier and Noun + noun modifier playing the same role :
using ING modifier: Scientists detected high levels of radiation at crash sites around the world, suggesting that …
Noun + noun modifier: Scientists detected high levels of radiation at crash sites around the world, results that suggest that …
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Hi sayantanc2k,

Thanks for answering, I just felt like there were several inconsistencies with what I read. Please correct me if I am wrong, this is how I see things:

(i) the subject of previous clause
- a comma + ING modifier can modify the subject of the clause ONLY when placed before the clause
EXAMPLE Modifying subject: wearing high heels, I talked to my friend (my heels had nothing to do with my talking to my friend). Therefore high heels only modify ‘me’

- when place before the clause it can also modify the entire clause (by bringing additional info)

EXAMPLE Modifying the entire clause: Using my phone, I talked to my friend (How did I talk to my friend? By using the phone. This modifies the entire clause)

(ii) the whole clause, if it is expressing result

- when placed after the clause, it always modifies the entire clause, but the ING modifier can now have TWO functions: bringing additional info or bringing the result)
EXAMPLE Modifying the entire clause bringing additional info: I talked to my friend, using my phone. (How did I talk to my friend? By using the phone.)
EXAMPLE Modifying the entire clause bringing result: I played with my phone, finishing the battery. (the result of playing with my phone was that I finished my battery)

(iii) may refer back to an in between noun in the previous clause. Such a construction is considered correct.

This is the role of a noun + noun modifier: the only time that an ING modifier holds the same role as a noun + noun modifier is when the ING modifier modifies the entire clause by bringing additional information and when the noun + noun modifier also modifies the entire clause.

EXAMPLE ING modifier and Noun + noun modifier playing the same role :
using ING modifier: Scientists detected high levels of radiation at crash sites around the world, suggesting that …
Noun + noun modifier: Scientists detected high levels of radiation at crash sites around the world, results that suggest that …

(i) and (ii) When placed after the clause, the -ing modifier could be invalid in absence of a suitable subject. Following is an example (from Manhattan SC guide):

Correct: I lifted the weight, WHISTLING "Beat It."
Wrong: The weight was lifted, WHISTLING "Beat It."

In the first sentence, the -ing modifier may be considered either a (pro)noun-modifier ( modifying I .. who lifted?), or a verb-modifier (modifying lifted... how lifted?). It may be more meaningful to consider it a (pro)noun modifier, since in the second sentence, in absence of the (pro)noun, the modifier becomes invalid. (i.e. cannot be used just a verb modifier).

(iii) I could not clearly understand which "in between" noun in the previous clause the modifier ("suggesting....") is referring to; what I understood is that the -ing modifier modifies the whole clause.
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Among lower-paid workers, union members are less likely than non union members to be enrolled in lower-end insurance plans imposing stricter limits on medical services and requiring doctors to see more patients, and spend less time with each.

(A) imposing stricter limits on medical services and requiring doctors to see more patients, and spend
(B) imposing stricter limits on medical services , requiring doctors to see more patients, and spending
(C) that impose stricter limits on medical services, require doctors to see more patients, and spend
(D) that impose stricter limits on medical services and require doctors to see more patients, spending
(E) that impose stricter limits on medical services, requiring doctors to see more patients and spending

Among lower-paid workers, union members are less likely than non union members to be enrolled in lower-end insurance plans that [impose stricter limits on medical services and require doctors to see more patients], spending less time with each.

GMATNinja It is a tricky and super tough question. What is VERBing "spending" intended to modify in this sentence? Does the VERBing modifier modify the preceding clause in blue bracket []?
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Among lower-paid workers, union members are less likely than non union members to be enrolled in lower-end insurance plans that [impose stricter limits on medical services and require doctors to see more patients], and spending less time with each.

What is VERBing "spending" intended to modify in this sentence? Does the VERBing modifier modify the preceding clause in blue bracket []?
Hi hazelnut, there should not be any and before spending.

The clause immediately before this participial phrase is:

lower-end insurance plans require doctors to see more patients

The reason this sentence is slightly tricky is that the participial phrase does not directly modify the subject of this clause: lower-end insurance plans.

However, the participial phrase does modify the doer (doctors) of the preceding action (to see).
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Among lower-paid workers, union members are less likely than non union members to be enrolled in lower-end insurance plans that [impose stricter limits on medical services and require doctors to see more patients], and spending less time with each.

What is VERBing "spending" intended to modify in this sentence? Does the VERBing modifier modify the preceding clause in blue bracket []?
Hi hazelnut, there should not be any and before spending.

The clause immediately before this participial phrase is:

lower-end insurance plans require doctors to see more patients

The reason this sentence is slightly tricky is that the participial phrase does not directly modify the subject of this clause: lower-end insurance plans.

However, the participial phrase does modify the doer (doctors) of the preceding action (to see).

Hi EducationAisle

Does it mean that comma + ing can modify not only the subject but also an object of the clause (if the object also does some action?).

E.g.1 Mary asked me to go out, taking our dog for a walk - but it seems ambigious.
E.g 2 Mary recommended that I ask Mike to go out, taking our dog for a walk - better? is that because of "that"?

Is there any rule/recommendation what -ing is to modify after sequence of several subjects and objects that all do some actions?
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Does it mean that comma + ing can modify not only the subject but also an object of the clause (if the object also does some action?).
Hi Hero8888, you ask a good question. Rather than looking at Doctors as the object of the preceding clause (thereby creating a whole new rule, which would be both redundant and confusing), I would have a consistent rule as:

These type of Present Participial phrases modify the doer of the preceding action.

In most cases, the doer of the preceding action is the subject of the preceding clause, except in the sentence under consideration (incidentally, I have not come across any other such official question).

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E.g.1 Mary asked me to go out, taking our dog for a walk - but it seems ambigious.
Wonder why you think it is ambiguous. Even the context seems to make it quite clear that I should be taking our dog for a walk.
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Hi EducationAisle

Does it mean that comma + ing can modify not only the subject but also an object of the clause (if the object also does some action?).
Hi Hero8888, you ask a good question. Rather than looking at Doctors as the object of the preceding clause (thereby creating a whole new rule, which would be both redundant and confusing), I would have a consistent rule as:

These type of Present Participial phrases modify the doer of the preceding action.

In most cases, the doer of the preceding action is the subject of the preceding clause, except in the sentence under consideration (incidentally, I have not come across any other such official question).

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E.g.1 Mary asked me to go out, taking our dog for a walk - but it seems ambigious.
Wonder why you think it is ambiguous. Even the context seems to make it quite clear that I should be taking our dog for a walk.
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Hi EducationAisle

Does it mean that comma + ing can modify not only the subject but also an object of the clause (if the object also does some action?).
Hi Hero8888, you ask a good question. Rather than looking at Doctors as the object of the preceding clause (thereby creating a whole new rule, which would be both redundant and confusing), I would have a consistent rule as:

These type of Present Participial phrases modify the doer of the preceding action.

In most cases, the doer of the preceding action is the subject of the preceding clause, except in the sentence under consideration (incidentally, I have not come across any other such official question).

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E.g.1 Mary asked me to go out, taking our dog for a walk - but it seems ambigious.
Wonder why you think it is ambiguous. Even the context seems to make it quite clear that I should be taking our dog for a walk.
EducationAisle

Thanks a lot! So context plays a huge role. Can I assume that there will be a case when Present Participial phrase will modify slightly further action, jumping over the right preceding action, if the context allows?

E.g. Mary asked me to go out, nervously knocking on the table.
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E.g. Mary asked me to go out, nervously knocking on the table.
This does not seem to be a great construct because nervously knock on the table doesn't seem to have any discernible correlation with asking me to go out.

I would rather articulate this sentence as:

Nervously knocking on the table, Mary asked me to go out.

Also, going forward, the discussion would be more useful if we can limit the discussion to official questions.
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Hi,
here 'that impose' is better than 'imposing' as 'that' relates to the word immediately preceding it
therefore A and B are out....

now there are 3 activities


a)impose stricter limits on medical services
b) require doctors to see more patients, and
c)spend less time with each.
in these a and b are independent and c is dependent on b....

C makes all a ,b ,c independent...... E makes b and c dependent on a..
only D makes a and b independent and c dependent on b.. therefore D is the ans...
hope i have been of some help..

how do I know which actions should be parallel and which should not be parallel?

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(A) imposing stricter limits on medical services and requiring doctors to see more patients, and spend (relates to insurance plans) - incorrect
(B) imposing stricter limits on medical services , requiring doctors to see more patients, and spending (how can insurance plans be "spending.." incorrect
(C) that impose stricter limits on medical services, require doctors to see more patients, and spend
(D) that impose stricter limits on medical services and require doctors to see more patients, spending
(E) that impose stricter limits on medical services, requiring doctors to see more patients and spending
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Hi sayantanc2k,

Thanks for answering, I just felt like there were several inconsistencies with what I read. Please correct me if I am wrong, this is how I see things:

(i) the subject of previous clause
- a comma + ING modifier can modify the subject of the clause ONLY when placed before the clause
EXAMPLE Modifying subject: wearing high heels, I talked to my friend (my heels had nothing to do with my talking to my friend). Therefore high heels only modify ‘me’

- when place before the clause it can also modify the entire clause (by bringing additional info)

EXAMPLE Modifying the entire clause: Using my phone, I talked to my friend (How did I talk to my friend? By using the phone. This modifies the entire clause)

(ii) the whole clause, if it is expressing result

- when placed after the clause, it always modifies the entire clause, but the ING modifier can now have TWO functions: bringing additional info or bringing the result)
EXAMPLE Modifying the entire clause bringing additional info: I talked to my friend, using my phone. (How did I talk to my friend? By using the phone.)
EXAMPLE Modifying the entire clause bringing result: I played with my phone, finishing the battery. (the result of playing with my phone was that I finished my battery)

(iii) may refer back to an in between noun in the previous clause. Such a construction is considered correct.

This is the role of a noun + noun modifier: the only time that an ING modifier holds the same role as a noun + noun modifier is when the ING modifier modifies the entire clause by bringing additional information and when the noun + noun modifier also modifies the entire clause.

EXAMPLE ING modifier and Noun + noun modifier playing the same role :
using ING modifier: Scientists detected high levels of radiation at crash sites around the world, suggesting that …
Noun + noun modifier: Scientists detected high levels of radiation at crash sites around the world, results that suggest that …

doing +comma+ main clause
in this pattern doing phrase refers to subject and work as adverb modifying the whole sentence. doing phrase CAN NOT modify only subject. if you want to modify only subject, use the following
the girl wearing high heels is a freind of mine.
but
in your example, "wearing high heels " is modifying " I talk with my friends' as an adverb which show the condition of talking.

so,
doing phrase+comma or comma+doing phrase is alway refer to subject of the sentence and modify the whole sentence.
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[quote="Ravshonbek"]Among lower-paid workers, union members are less likely than non union members to be enrolled in lower-end insurance plans imposing stricter limits on medical services and requiring doctors to see more patients, and spend less time with each.

(A) imposing stricter limits on medical services and requiring doctors to see more patients, and spend
(B) imposing stricter limits on medical services , requiring doctors to see more patients, and spending
(C) that impose stricter limits on medical services, require doctors to see more patients, and spend
(D) that impose stricter limits on medical services and require doctors to see more patients, spending
(E) that impose stricter limits on medical services, requiring doctors to see more patients and spending

I make it simple.
spend/spending must refers to "doctor", but not to "plans", so, choice B, C and E are wrong because in these choices, "plans" do spending/spend . this is no sense. so simple.

choice A and D are left.
in choice A, "see" and "spend" are parallel. this is not logical. "spend"should logically depend on "see"

choice D is left.
the meaning in choice D is
"plans require doctor to see more patients, spending less time with each"

normally, comma+doing refers to the subject and modifies the preceding clause
I learn gmat, making my family happy.

but in choice S, "speanding" modifies "to see". so, comma+doing modifies "to do".

IS THIS WHAT GMAT WANT US TO KNOW ?

honestly, I am not easy with choice D. this is a high level question.
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Hi egmat,

Thank you for your kind explanation.

However, I have a question.

Choice C states that "that impose stricter limits on medical services and require doctors to see more patients, spending".

I understand that comma + V.ing modifies the preceding clause and must correspond to the subject of that clause.

My question is: The word "spending" modifies preceding clause but what subject does the word "spending" correspond to?

Please explain.

Thank you.
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Hi egmat,

Thank you for your kind explanation.

However, I have a question.

Choice C states that "that impose stricter limits on medical services and require doctors to see more patients, spending".

I understand that comma + V.ing modifies the preceding clause and must correspond to the subject of that clause.

My question is: The word "spending" modifies preceding clause but what subject does the word "spending" correspond to?

Please explain.

Thank you.

I may be able to help. comma + V.ing do not always modify an entire clause. But, they do always modify some form of action. In this case, it is "to see". "spending less time with each" describes how doctors see their patients.
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However, I have a question.

Choice C states that "that impose stricter limits on medical services and require doctors to see more patients, spending".

I understand that comma + V.ing modifies the preceding clause and must correspond to the subject of that clause.

My question is: The word "spending" modifies preceding clause but what subject does the word "spending" correspond to?
Hi ballest127, a slightly more flexible way to look at these things would be that such present participial phrases (in this case spending...) modify the doer of the preceding action. This doer of the preceding action is mostly the subject of the preceding clause. However, in this case, the preceding action is to see more patients and the doer of this action is doctors.

So, basically option D suggests correctly that Doctors spend less time with each patient.
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[quote="Ravshonbek"]Among lower-paid workers, union members are less likely than non union members to be enrolled in lower-end insurance plans imposing stricter limits on medical services and requiring doctors to see more patients, and spend less time with each.


(A) imposing stricter limits on medical services and requiring doctors to see more patients, and spend

(B) imposing stricter limits on medical services , requiring doctors to see more patients, and spending

(C) that impose stricter limits on medical services, require doctors to see more patients, and spend

(D) that impose stricter limits on medical services and require doctors to see more patients, spending

(E) that impose stricter limits on medical services, requiring doctors to see more patients and spending


look at choice D, the official answer.
by using "spending", the author want to attach "spending" to "to see more patients". these two actions are not separate . this case is typical of use of doing as participle.
but there is a problem here.
"spending" can be applicable to both " impose stricter limits " and " require doctors to see more patients. it is correct to apply "spending " to "require doctor to see..." but is not logic to apply "speanding" to " impose ...". this is wrong.

do you agree with me.

other choices suffer terrible mistake because they consider "require" and " spend" are paralel and separate actions, not as inseparate action
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