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As of this morning, none of my friends have been able to solve the puzzle contained in last week's newspaper.

A. none of my friends have been able to solve
B. none of my friends was able to solve
C. not one of my friends has yet been able to solve
D. none of my friends has been able to solve
E. nobody among my friends have solved

The answer of this question is D. However, this answer conflicts with the concept of MGMAT SANAM Pronouns. If anyone has tackled this question earlier, please let me know why the answer to this question is D and not A?
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Hmm, it does seem like "none of my friends" should be plural.

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if u see MGMAT guide on the same page where it discusses SANAM pronouns, the last sentence reads,

technically, none of +plural noun cn take either a singular or plural verb form.
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Look at the following OG 12 question. Note that none of plural X takes a singular verb ‘explains’, which is not underlined. Now you know the inkling of GMAT. With due reverence to MGMAT, as far as I see, in the Independent kingdom of GMAT, 'none' is singular...... unless somebody comes up with the opposite view citing an appropriate GMAC example.

None of the attempts to specify the causes of crime explains why most of the people exposed to the alleged causes do not commit crimes and, conversely, Why so many of those not so exposed have.
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Thanks daagh.

Even though the MGMAT says that NONE will go along with both singular and plural verbs,based on the nouns used in the OF-Phrase, I will stick to NONE with singular usage...

I guess, these guys have started to treat NONE phrases as a compound noun.. Here "None of the attempts to specify the causes of crime" is acting as a compound sentence; therefore, a singular verb is used.

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I guess, these guys have started to treat NONE phrases as a compound noun.. Here "None of the attempts to specify the causes of crime" is acting as a compound sentence; therefore, a singular verb is used.
Please correct me IF I am wrong.


Sorry dragaonball:

You have misunderstood the concept of both compound nouns and compound sentences. A compound noun is one in which there will more than one noun and those two or more nouns will be connected by the conjunction ‘and’. I repeat compound nouns will have to be connected by ‘and’. As a thumb rule compound nouns are always plural.

E.g.: Tom and Dick ‘
Tom, Dick and Harry.

A compound sentence is one that has either two independent clauses or more joined by a conjunction ‘and’.
Eg; I went to New York. My brother went to Tokyo – Two independent sentences are standing alone with their own subjects and verbs but punctuated by a period. This is not a compound sentence,


I went to New York and my brother went to Tokyo; this is a compound sentence because there are two independent sentences and both are conjugated by the connector ‘and’.

Along with this please also understand the structure of complex sentences and their essentials such as how to punctuate them, how to conjugate them etc, and you can eliminate many style errors such as fragments or run - ons in GMAT SC

In your question, since ‘none of plural’ does not have the conjunction ‘and’, there is no compound noun or sentence involved.
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I will go with daagh, but this is confusing. If MGMAT says the none of + plural noun can take both singular or plural, and GMAT takes singular, looks like singular is favorite.

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MGMAT also says when in confusion, think singular :).
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hey guys,
i just saw this quote from Ron from some other forum.i think this will settle the argument about usage of "none" from GMAT PoV.

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(there are poetic uses in which "many a NOUN" is used as a singular construction -- for instance, many a soldier was killed, but the army marched on -- but you will not see such poetic uses on the test.)

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weirdly enough, i don't think that the "none" issue has ever actually been tested, nor do i think it ever will be tested.

the "none" issue is tested
* exactly 0 times in GMAT PREP
* exactly 0 times in OG11
* exactly 0 times in OG12
* exactly 0 times in OG verbal supplement 2nd ed

... so, well, i don't think that we should worry about it. to me, it's quite obvious that gmac is avoiding testing this concept entirely, because it's just too controversial.

for what it's worth, because i like to data-mine:

* in the official SC problems, ALL uses of "none" are singular. NONE of them is (heh) ever tested.
witness:
- OG12 #4 ("none is/was" -- all singular)
- OG12 #22 ("none explains" -- non-underlined; singular)
- OG Verbal 2nd answer explanation #79 ("none appears in...")

* on the other hand, "none" is plural in some CR and RC passages/choices. it's tempting to think that the authors of the CR and RC passages just don't care as much about such minutiae, but, i think, it's still somewhat important to notice them:
- passage on p398 of OG12 ("none of these high-technology methods are of any value")
- OG12 CR #118 ("None of Northern Air’s competitors that use Belleville Airport are considering...")

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(A) none of my friends have been able to solve
(B) none of my friends was able to solve
(C) not one of my friends has yet been able to solve
(D) none of my friends has been able to solve
(E) nobody among my friends have solved

OA already given and i marked that only
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As of this morning, none of my friends have been able to solve the puzzle contained in last week's newspaper.
(A) none of my friends have been able to solve
have agrees with friends. Correct!
(B) none of my friends was able to solve
was should be were to agree with friends
(C) not one of my friends has yet been able to solve
None of my friends is a better idiom.
(D) none of my friends has been able to solve
has should be have.
(E) nobody among my friends have solved
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As of this morning, none of my friends have been able to solve the puzzle contained in last week's newspaper.
(A) none of my friends have been able to solve
have agrees with friends. Correct!
(B) none of my friends was able to solve
was should be were to agree with friends
(C) not one of my friends has yet been able to solve
None of my friends is a better idiom.
(D) none of my friends has been able to solve
has should be have.
(E) nobody among my friends have solved
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answer is D
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i think D is correct as per GMAT... i saw one example in sample questions of OG.. that uses 'none' as singular. i will check the problem #, sentence was not testing usage of 'none', but the word just appeared in the sentence. so not sure if its tested in GMAT.

But use of 'none' is controversial - http://www.grammarmudge.cityslide.com/a ... 3/9903.htm

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problem # 4 in SC sample questions of OG.

none is more concentrated...
may be it is none that was more concentrated than..

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i think D is correct as per GMAT... i saw one example in sample questions of OG.. that uses 'none' as singular. i will check the problem #, sentence was not testing usage of 'none', but the word just appeared in the sentence. so not sure if its tested in GMAT.

But use of 'none' is controversial - http://www.grammarmudge.cityslide.com/a ... 3/9903.htm



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sgupta0827 wrote:
As of this morning, none of my friends have been able to solve the puzzle contained in last week's newspaper.
(A) none of my friends have been able to solve
have agrees with friends. Correct!
(B) none of my friends was able to solve
was should be were to agree with friends
(C) not one of my friends has yet been able to solve
None of my friends is a better idiom.
(D) none of my friends has been able to solve
has should be have.
(E) nobody among my friends have solved
Awkward


but KAPLAN says
answer is D
any thoughts on SANAM pronouns :? :?


Dude I am sure they have got it wrong. Even in Manhattan books I noticed few errors. Did they have any explanation for this question?
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sgupta0827 wrote:
As of this morning, none of my friends have been able to solve the puzzle contained in last week's newspaper.
(A) none of my friends have been able to solve
have agrees with friends. Correct!
(B) none of my friends was able to solve
was should be were to agree with friends
(C) not one of my friends has yet been able to solve
None of my friends is a better idiom.
(D) none of my friends has been able to solve
has should be have.
(E) nobody among my friends have solved
Awkward


but KAPLAN says
answer is D
any thoughts on SANAM pronouns :? :?


Dude I am sure they have got it wrong. Even in Manhattan books I noticed few errors. Did they have any explanation for this question?


Dude they say None is singular..........

so whats your take on this

we should consider None as singular or plural??? :? :?
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"D" is a good choice and looks using the proper grammar (present perfect)
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problem # 4 in SC sample questions of OG.

none is more concentrated...
may be it is none that was more concentrated than..


In this case, I agree with you that "None" may imply anything here. Further details will definitely help to figure what exactly is needed in this question. But in most cases none would be plural such as "None of my friends", "None of my shirts", and "None of your programs".There are very few cases in which I found OK to use singular with NONE such as "It is none of your business", "None of your code is working" and "None of the above is correct".
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