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# Fares on the city-run public buses in Greenville are

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Fares on the city-run public buses in Greenville are subsidized by city tax revenues, but among the beneficiaries of the low fares are many people who commute from outside the city to jobs in Greenville. Some city councilors argue that city taxes should be used primarily to benefit the people who pay them, and therefore that bus fares should be raised enough to cover the cost of the service.

Each of the following, if true, would weaken the argument advanced by the city councilors EXCEPT:

(A) Many businesses whose presence in the city is beneficial to the city’s taxpayers would relocate outside the city if public-transit fare were more expensive.

(B) By providing commuters with economic incentives to drive to work, higher transit fares would worsen air pollution in Greenville and increase the cost of maintaining the city’s streets.

(C) Increasing transit fares would disadvantage those residents of the city whose low incomes make them exempt from city taxes, and all city councilors agree that these residents should be able to take advantage of city-run services.

(D) Voters in the city, many of whom benefit from the low transit fares, are strongly opposed to increasing local taxes.

(E) People who work in Greenville and earn wages above the nationally mandated minimum all pay the city wage tax of 5 percent.

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Originally posted by vaivish1723 on 01 Jul 2009, 02:18.
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02 Jul 2009, 17:00
Am having a hard time with option D

So the question is asking for strengthening the argument => provide additional premise supporting the fare increase.

How is the data provided in D supporting this ? Voters in the city who support low-fares are opposed to taxes ??? So what ? Does this mean because they oppose taxes, to kick their butt the fares have to be increased ?? Not sure
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03 Jul 2009, 11:08
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Am having a hard time with option D

So the question is asking for strengthening the argument => provide additional premise supporting the fare increase.

How is the data provided in D supporting this ? Voters in the city who support low-fares are opposed to taxes ??? So what ? Does this mean because they oppose taxes, to kick their butt the fares have to be increased ?? Not sure

the question talks about which of the options doesn't weaken the argument but not which option strengthens
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04 Jul 2009, 07:24
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11. Fares on the city-run public buses in Greenville are subsidized by city tax revenues, but among the beneficiaries of the low fares are many people who commute from outside the city to jobs in Greenville. Some city councilors argue that city taxes should be used primarily to benefit the people who pay them, and therefore that bus fares should be raised enough to cover the cost of the service.
Each of the following, if true, would weaken the argument advanced by the city councilors EXCEPT:
(A) Many businesses whose presence in the city is beneficial to the city’s taxpayers would relocate outside the city if public-transit fare were more expensive.
(B) By providing commuters with economic incentives to drive to work, higher transit fares would worsen air pollution in Greenville and increase the cost of maintaining the city’s streets.
(C) Increasing transit fares would disadvantage those residents of the city whose low incomes make them exempt from city taxes, and all city councilors agree that these residents should be able to take advantage of city-run services.
(D) Voters in the city, many of whom benefit from the low transit fares, are strongly opposed to increasing local taxes.
(E) People who work in Greenville and earn wages above the nationally mandated minimum all pay the city wage tax of 5 percent.

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D is certainly a good answer here, since it doesn't weaken the argument - it's not especially relevant to the logic of the argument.

Still, it's a very odd question, because of answer choice C. Paraphrasing the argument in the stem, the argument goes like this:

'taxes should be spent on things that benefit the people who actually pay the taxes'

and concludes that, since many using the bus don't pay taxes, that taxes should not be used to pay for the bus.

Then answer choice C says: 'if bus fares are raised, the people who *don't* pay taxes (they're 'exempt') will be hurt'. Well, the entire point of the argument is that tax money should not be spent to benefit those who don't pay taxes. To weaken the argument, we need to establish that the plan would disadvantage people who *do* pay taxes, not those who don't. So C doesn't weaken the argument at all. It's immaterial that the councillors all agree that these tax exempt citizens should be helped; that just means that they will need to weigh two factors (the force of the argument, and their desire to help people who would be hurt because of the argument's conclusion) when deciding on their policy.

I'm curious where the question is from.
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15 Aug 2009, 18:52
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Ya i got (d).
The question asks us to weaken "except" which means that four WRONG options will weaken the argument and one RIGHT will either strengthen or will be irrelevant.
Conclusion:bus fares should be raised enough to cover the cost of the service.Weaken>>bus fares should not be raised.

a. rellocation of businesses is not favourable to the city.Good enough reason of not increasing the bus fares.
b. air pollution .WEAKEN
c. everyone agrees that low income brcket citizens should be exempt.So increasing bus fares is not a good idea.
d. CORRECT>IRRELEVANT>Voters are against the increase.WHO CARES?that does not mean that the increase of bus fares is not a good idea or that it should not be done!.
e. people who work pay the taxes.WEAKEN.

ANS:(D).Hope its clear now
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15 Aug 2009, 20:28
D - > Correct because its the voters who ultimately elect the Councillors are opposed to the fare hike then you cannot raise the fares since the very people who elected the councillors who are proposing the hike do not agree to it.
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03 Jun 2010, 05:00
Could anyone explain how E weakens the argument?
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03 Jun 2010, 09:32
E weakens like this ..

Ultimately we want people who work and use low tariff bus services should be the only ones who pay taxes and we don't want non-tax payees to use the services. So if all people pay taxes .. there will not be a need to increase tariffs .. as everyone who pays uses the service... hence weakening the conclusion.

What is the source of the question ?
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19 Jul 2012, 02:14
D is right. Here is why C is wrong. "...taxes should be used "primarily" to benefit the people who pay them..." is based on the assumption that people who don't pay taxes should benefit second. If it said "only" then C would be right. Consider that primarily means "for the most part or first" which is a definition. This assumes that there is a secondary. So, taxes should be used primarily to benefit the people who pay them and secondary to benefit the people that don't.
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25 Dec 2013, 00:24
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vaivish1723 wrote:
11. Fares on the city-run public buses in Greenville are subsidized by city tax revenues, but among the beneficiaries of the low fares are many people who commute from outside the city to jobs in Greenville. Some city councilors argue that city taxes should be used primarily to benefit the people who pay them, and therefore that bus fares should be raised enough to cover the cost of the service.
Each of the following, if true, would weaken the argument advanced by the city councilors EXCEPT:
(A) Many businesses whose presence in the city is beneficial to the city’s taxpayers would relocate outside the city if public-transit fare were more expensive.
(B) By providing commuters with economic incentives to drive to work, higher transit fares would worsen air pollution in Greenville and increase the cost of maintaining the city’s streets.
(C) Increasing transit fares would disadvantage those residents of the city whose low incomes make them exempt from city taxes, and all city councilors agree that these residents should be able to take advantage of city-run services.
(D) Voters in the city, many of whom benefit from the low transit fares, are strongly opposed to increasing local taxes.
(E) People who work in Greenville and earn wages above the nationally mandated minimum all pay the city wage tax of 5 percent.

The OA is
D is certainly a good answer here, since it doesn't weaken the argument - it's not especially relevant to the logic of the argument.

Still, it's a very odd question, because of answer choice C. Paraphrasing the argument in the stem, the argument goes like this:

'taxes should be spent on things that benefit the people who actually pay the taxes'

and concludes that, since many using the bus don't pay taxes, that taxes should not be used to pay for the bus.

Then answer choice C says: 'if bus fares are raised, the people who *don't* pay taxes (they're 'exempt') will be hurt'. Well, the entire point of the argument is that tax money should not be spent to benefit those who don't pay taxes. To weaken the argument, we need to establish that the plan would disadvantage people who *do* pay taxes, not those who don't. So C doesn't weaken the argument at all. It's immaterial that the councillors all agree that these tax exempt citizens should be helped; that just means that they will need to weigh two factors (the force of the argument, and their desire to help people who would be hurt because of the argument's conclusion) when deciding on their policy.

I'm curious where the question is from.
@Ian, Can I not say that argument is directed against outside city commuters using the transportation system though C is directed towards people within city? Since we always have flexibility to get as many facts in a Strengther/Weakerner question to support or annihilate existing argument, we are good to bring extra information of this non-paying low income city residents as mentioned in C.

BTW, this question is from "Kaplan Mastery" Strenthen/Weakener questions' set. Q 110 to be specific.
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19 Oct 2017, 16:22
Contenders D and E
Basically the argument is saying that prices should go up to make the system fair for the taxpayers [note: not voters]

Now, whether VOTERS like the proposal or not, does not have any bearing on the FAIRNESS of the proposal. Additionally, D says, VOTERS dislike the TAX increase, not FARE increase. No one is proposing TAX increase. Hence, D is out of scope and non-weakener, making it the correct answer.

However, to make E a weakener, we have to assume that all the out-of-town workers earn wages above the nationally mandated minimum, which makes them subject to the city wage tax of 5 percent and makes their availing of subsidized bus fare FARE. [I don't like when I have to assume an extra thing to make something fit]

Having said that, D is obviously an absolute non-weakener. Hence the better choice of the two.

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Fares on the city-run public buses in Greenville are subsidized by city tax revenues, but among the beneficiaries of the low fares are many people who commute from outside the city to jobs in Greenville. Some city councilors argue that city taxes should be used primarily to benefit the people who pay them, and therefore that bus fares should be raised enough to cover the cost of the service.

Each of the following, if true, would weaken the argument advanced by the city councilors EXCEPT:

(A) Many businesses whose presence in the city is beneficial to the city’s taxpayers would relocate outside the city if public-transit fare were more expensive.

(B) By providing commuters with economic incentives to drive to work, higher transit fares would worsen air pollution in Greenville and increase the cost of maintaining the city’s streets.

(C) Increasing transit fares would disadvantage those residents of the city whose low incomes make them exempt from city taxes, and all city councilors agree that these residents should be able to take advantage of city-run services.

(D) Voters in the city, many of whom benefit from the low transit fares, are strongly opposed to increasing local taxes.

(E) People who work in Greenville and earn wages above the nationally mandated minimum all pay the city wage tax of 5 percent.

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Contenders D and E
Basically the argument is saying that prices should go up to make the system fair for the taxpayers [note: not voters]

Now, whether VOTERS like the proposal or not, does not have any bearing on the FAIRNESS of the proposal. Additionally, D says, VOTERS dislike the TAX increase, not FARE increase. No one is proposing TAX increase. Hence, D is out of scope and non-weakener, making it the correct answer.

However, to make E a weakener, we have to assume that all the out-of-town workers earn wages above the nationally mandated minimum, which makes them subject to the city wage tax of 5 percent and makes their availing of subsidized bus fare FARE. [I don't like when I have to assume an extra thing to make something fit]

Having said that, D is obviously an absolute non-weakener. Hence the better choice of the two.

Thoughts?

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Fares on the city-run public buses in Greenville are subsidized by city tax revenues, but among the beneficiaries of the low fares are many people who commute from outside the city to jobs in Greenville. Some city councilors argue that city taxes should be used primarily to benefit the people who pay them, and therefore that bus fares should be raised enough to cover the cost of the service.

Each of the following, if true, would weaken the argument advanced by the city councilors EXCEPT:

(A) Many businesses whose presence in the city is beneficial to the city’s taxpayers would relocate outside the city if public-transit fare were more expensive.

(B) By providing commuters with economic incentives to drive to work, higher transit fares would worsen air pollution in Greenville and increase the cost of maintaining the city’s streets.

(C) Increasing transit fares would disadvantage those residents of the city whose low incomes make them exempt from city taxes, and all city councilors agree that these residents should be able to take advantage of city-run services.

(D) Voters in the city, many of whom benefit from the low transit fares, are strongly opposed to increasing local taxes.

(E) People who work in Greenville and earn wages above the nationally mandated minimum all pay the city wage tax of 5 percent.

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contenders are D & E, understood how D does not weaken but how can we rule out E?
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18 Nov 2017, 16:01
Hi Sunny,

E says out-of-town workers who earn wages above the nationally mandated minimum, DO have to pay the city wage tax of 5 percent. Hence these out-of-towners ARE, in fact, contributing towards the city tax revenues which subsidized city-run public buses.

Since they pay, they are entitled to the benefit.

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Contenders D and E
Basically the argument is saying that prices should go up to make the system fair for the taxpayers [note: not voters]

Now, whether VOTERS like the proposal or not, does not have any bearing on the FAIRNESS of the proposal. Additionally, D says, VOTERS dislike the TAX increase, not FARE increase. No one is proposing TAX increase. Hence, D is out of scope and non-weakener, making it the correct answer.

However, to make E a weakener, we have to assume that all the out-of-town workers earn wages above the nationally mandated minimum, which makes them subject to the city wage tax of 5 percent and makes their availing of subsidized bus fare FARE. [I don't like when I have to assume an extra thing to make something fit]

Having said that, D is obviously an absolute non-weakener. Hence the better choice of the two.

Thoughts?

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Fares on the city-run public buses in Greenville are subsidized by city tax revenues, but among the beneficiaries of the low fares are many people who commute from outside the city to jobs in Greenville. Some city councilors argue that city taxes should be used primarily to benefit the people who pay them, and therefore that bus fares should be raised enough to cover the cost of the service.

Each of the following, if true, would weaken the argument advanced by the city councilors EXCEPT:

(A) Many businesses whose presence in the city is beneficial to the city’s taxpayers would relocate outside the city if public-transit fare were more expensive.

(B) By providing commuters with economic incentives to drive to work, higher transit fares would worsen air pollution in Greenville and increase the cost of maintaining the city’s streets.

(C) Increasing transit fares would disadvantage those residents of the city whose low incomes make them exempt from city taxes, and all city councilors agree that these residents should be able to take advantage of city-run services.

(D) Voters in the city, many of whom benefit from the low transit fares, are strongly opposed to increasing local taxes.

(E) People who work in Greenville and earn wages above the nationally mandated minimum all pay the city wage tax of 5 percent.

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contenders are D & E, understood how D does not weaken but how can we rule out E?
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TheRzS wrote:
Contenders D and E
Basically the argument is saying that prices should go up to make the system fair for the taxpayers [note: not voters]

Now, whether VOTERS like the proposal or not, does not have any bearing on the FAIRNESS of the proposal. Additionally, D says, VOTERS dislike the TAX increase, not FARE increase. No one is proposing TAX increase. Hence, D is out of scope and non-weakener, making it the correct answer.

However, to make E a weakener, we have to assume that all the out-of-town workers earn wages above the nationally mandated minimum, which makes them subject to the city wage tax of 5 percent and makes their availing of subsidized bus fare FARE. [I don't like when I have to assume an extra thing to make something fit]

Having said that, D is obviously an absolute non-weakener. Hence the better choice of the two.

Thoughts?

Hi,
Thanks for the reply.I have a question- People who work in Greenville and earn wages....how can we assume that they are out of town workers.In the premise , we have - but among the beneficiaries of the low fares are many people who commute from outside the city to jobs in Greenville. But does this mean that whoever work in Greenville are out of town workers.

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Fares on the city-run public buses in Greenville are subsidized by city tax revenues, but among the beneficiaries of the low fares are many people who commute from outside the city to jobs in Greenville. Some city councilors argue that city taxes should be used primarily to benefit the people who pay them, and therefore that bus fares should be raised enough to cover the cost of the service.

Each of the following, if true, would weaken the argument advanced by the city councilors EXCEPT:

(A) Many businesses whose presence in the city is beneficial to the city’s taxpayers would relocate outside the city if public-transit fare were more expensive.

(B) By providing commuters with economic incentives to drive to work, higher transit fares would worsen air pollution in Greenville and increase the cost of maintaining the city’s streets.

(C) Increasing transit fares would disadvantage those residents of the city whose low incomes make them exempt from city taxes, and all city councilors agree that these residents should be able to take advantage of city-run services.

(D) Voters in the city, many of whom benefit from the low transit fares, are strongly opposed to increasing local taxes.

(E) People who work in Greenville and earn wages above the nationally mandated minimum all pay the city wage tax of 5 percent.

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contenders are D & E, understood how D does not weaken but how can we rule out E?

Hi,
Thanks for the reply. I have a question-
People who work in Greenville and earn wages....how can we assume that they are out of town workers.In the premise , we have - but among the beneficiaries of the low fares are many people who commute from outside the city to jobs in Greenville. But does this mean that whoever work in Greenville are out of town workers.
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Thanks for the reply. I have a question-
People who work in Greenville and earn wages....how can we assume that they are out of town workers.In the premise , we have - but among the beneficiaries of the low fares are many people who commute from outside the city to jobs in Greenville. But does this mean that whoever work in Greenville are out of town workers.

Hi,
We are not assuming what you said. The city public buses are for both the Greenville workers and those residing out of town. But since the city buses are funded by the city tax revenues, which in turn is due to the taxes paid by the residents, Counselor argues that the non tax payers(those who are travelling from outside the city) are also enjoying the low fare, whereas only the taxpayers(residents of Greenville) should be benefited. So, to hinder the free-loaders(or the low fare loaders) the counselor wants to increase the fare.

E says the affluent are already paying 5% taxes, implying city taxes will suffice the funding of bus services.-weaken
D : In case the fare is not increased, the counselor may resort to increasing the tax to cover the cost of service. Now the choice D makes sense that voters are against the tax increase- Doesn't weaken the conclusion.
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Hi, I am confused here ! The the conclusion is: bus fares should be raised enough to cover the cost of the service

Option D is weakening the conclusion, if people prefer low fare then they will oppose to fare increase. Then why is it correct?
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