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For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often shine an unfairly harsh light on small towns, in which a single incident can cause such figures to skyrocket.

(A) For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often

(B) Despite they are useful in facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, often

(C) Because they are quite useful in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, can often

(D) Quite useful when facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, which frequently

(E) For their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, frequently

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This sentence points out a shortcoming of per-capita statistics: in spite of their usefulness in comparing larger and smaller cities, these statistics may unfairly highlight small towns, whose modest population sizes can cause anomalies in the data.

(A) CORRECT. The expression For all their usefulness is a proper idiom; it is used to introduce a contrast. (For all his studying, he performed poorly on the exam.) The overall sentence is grammatically legitimate, with a single main subject (per-capita statistics) and a single main verb (shine) amid a series of modifiers and subordinate clauses.

(B) Despite is a preposition and must be followed by a noun or noun phrase; it cannot be followed by a clause, as it is here. The word and is inappropriate between per-capita statistics and especially crime rates. The word and indicates that the two connected items are “separate but equal.” This isn’t the case; crime rates are a particular kind of statistic, not separate from the idea of the statistics.

(C) The word because is illogical. The statistics are generally useful despite the fact that they can sometimes be misleading, not because they are sometimes misleading. Different, an adjective, cannot be used to describe sized; the adverb differently should be used instead. Finally, when facilitating illogically implies that per-capita statistics themselves can facilitate comparisons between cities.

(D) When facilitating illogically implies that per-capita statistics themselves can facilitate comparisons between cities. In addition, this sentence is a fragment, consisting only of the noun per-capita statistics and modifiers.

(E) For their usefulness does not have the same meaning as the idiom for all their usefulness. The latter indicates a contrast; the former does not. Different, an adjective, cannot be used to describe sized; the adverb differently should be used instead.

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For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often shine an unfairly harsh light on small towns, in which a single incident can cause such figures to skyrocket.

(A) For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often

(B) Despite they are useful in facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, often

(C) Because they are quite useful in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, can often

(D) Quite useful when facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, which frequently

(E) For their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, frequently



some points first..
1) FOR ALL ......., this introduces contrast and correctly does its job here in A
2) FOR......, this acts as somewhat similar to because.
3) Despite is a preposition and requires to followed by noun/phrase etc and not a clause

(A) For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often
correct... the second part is in contrast to the usefulness shown in first part. THEIR correctly refers to per-capita statistics

(B) Despite they are useful in facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, often
Despite is followed by a clause. usage of AND is wrong - crime rates is a part of statistics and not a parallel item

(C) Because they are quite useful in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, can often
Contrast is missing. different should be adverb differently and CAN changes the meaning

(D) Quite useful when facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, which frequently
wrong usage of AND and WHICH. contrast missing

(E) For their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, frequentl
use of for is discussed above

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For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often shine an unfairly harsh light on small towns, in which a single incident can cause such figures to skyrocket.

(A) For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often

(B) Despite they are useful in facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, often

(C) Because they are quite useful in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, can often

(D) Quite useful when facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, which frequently

(E) For their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, frequently



some points first..
1) FOR ALL ......., this introduces contrast and correctly does its job here in A
2) FOR......, this acts as somewhat similar to because.
3) Despite is a preposition and requires to followed by noun/phrase etc and not a clause

(A) For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often
correct... the second part is in contrast to the usefulness shown in first part. THEIR correctly refers to per-capita statistics

(B) Despite they are useful in facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, often
Despite is followed by a clause. usage of AND is wrong - crime rates is a part of statistics and not a parallel item

(C) Because they are quite useful in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, can often
Contrast is missing. different should be adverb differently and CAN changes the meaning

(D) Quite useful when facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, which frequently
wrong usage of AND and WHICH. contrast missing

(E) For their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, frequentl
use of for is discussed above

A



Don't u think the term BETWEEN is comparing two things and we need AND for it?
And Its comparing things of different cities not only 2....So question should have AMONG instead of between?


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chetan2u wrote:
hazelnut wrote:
For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often shine an unfairly harsh light on small towns, in which a single incident can cause such figures to skyrocket.

(A) For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often

(B) Despite they are useful in facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, often

(C) Because they are quite useful in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, can often

(D) Quite useful when facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, which frequently

(E) For their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, frequently



some points first..
1) FOR ALL ......., this introduces contrast and correctly does its job here in A
2) FOR......, this acts as somewhat similar to because.
3) Despite is a preposition and requires to followed by noun/phrase etc and not a clause

(A) For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often
correct... the second part is in contrast to the usefulness shown in first part. THEIR correctly refers to per-capita statistics

(B) Despite they are useful in facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, often
Despite is followed by a clause. usage of AND is wrong - crime rates is a part of statistics and not a parallel item

(C) Because they are quite useful in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, can often
Contrast is missing. different should be adverb differently and CAN changes the meaning

(D) Quite useful when facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, which frequently
wrong usage of AND and WHICH. contrast missing

(E) For their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, frequentl
use of for is discussed above

A



Don't u think the term BETWEEN is comparing two things and we need AND for it?
And Its comparing things of different cities not only 2....So question should have AMONG instead of between?


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hi...

comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics could easily mean comparing two cities of different sizes at one time..

another example..
UEFA cup is played among countries of europe.. here you mean all countries participating
matches in UEFA championship is played between different countries of europe... here it means a match is played between two different countries of europe
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For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often shine an unfairly harsh light on small towns, in which a single incident can cause such figures to skyrocket.

(A) For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often -Correct

(B) Despite they are useful in facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, often -"and" is wrongly used

(C) Because they are quite useful in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, can often -we need to depict contrast; thus, usage of because is incorrect

(D) Quite useful when facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, which frequently -not a sentence

(E) For their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, frequently -
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I still don't understand why option C is wrong? Any other explanations ?
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I still don't understand why option C is wrong? Any other explanations ?


Two problems:

1. C expresses a reason whereas the original sentence expresses a concession.
2. cities of different sizes is preferable to different sized cities.
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I have two questions regarding this problem
1)How "for all" fits as a contrast word?
2)Is that because despite is a preposition,it can not be followed by a clause?
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hazelnut wrote:
For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often shine an unfairly harsh light on small towns, in which a single incident can cause such figures to skyrocket.

(A) For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often

(B) Despite they are useful in facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, often

(C) Because they are quite useful in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, can often

(D) Quite useful when facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, which frequently

(E) For their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, frequently



some points first..
1) FOR ALL ......., this introduces contrast and correctly does its job here in A
2) FOR......, this acts as somewhat similar to because.
3) Despite is a preposition and requires to followed by noun/phrase etc and not a clause

(A) For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often
correct... the second part is in contrast to the usefulness shown in first part. THEIR correctly refers to per-capita statistics

(B) Despite they are useful in facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, often
Despite is followed by a clause. usage of AND is wrong - crime rates is a part of statistics and not a parallel item

(C) Because they are quite useful in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, can often
Contrast is missing. different should be adverb differently and CAN changes the meaning

(D) Quite useful when facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, which frequently
wrong usage of AND and WHICH. contrast missing

(E) For their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, frequentl
use of for is discussed above

A


Hi

I thought per capita statistics was singular, normally we use singular verbs for Maths and Physics also statistics

Could u pls explain why we are using their and shine for per capita statistics

How do we make out the difference?

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For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often shine an unfairly harsh light on small towns, in which a single incident can cause such figures to skyrocket.

(A) For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often

(B) Despite they are useful in facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, often

(C) Because they are quite useful in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, can often

(D) Quite useful when facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, which frequently

(E) For their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, frequently


B -- despite "they are useful" is wrong, should not be despite + S + V, but despite + some kind of noun phrase
C -- meaning is the opposite
D -- where is the verb
E -- was my 2nd pick, the use of "for all" sounded better, but not sure if there is a rule

A is the best answer
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For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often shine an unfairly harsh light on small towns, in which a single incident can cause such figures to skyrocket.

(A) For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often

(B) Despite they are useful in facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, often

(C) Because they are quite useful in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, can often

(D) Quite useful when facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, which frequently

(E) For their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, frequently
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I have two questions regarding this problem
1)How "for all" fits as a contrast word?
2)Is that because despite is a preposition,it can not be followed by a clause?

techiesam

Are you asking whether the inability to use "despite" causes the phrase "for all" to signal contrast, or requires us
to choose "for all" instead of "despite"?

No. "For all" signals contrast because idiomatically that is how the phrase has developed.

Idiomatically, "for all" means "in spite of," "despite," and "notwithstanding."

Maybe you mean that we must use "for all" because we cannot use "despite" in this situation?

We can.
1) Substitute "despite" in option A. That works.
DESPITE their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often shine an unfairly harsh light on small towns, in which a single incident can cause such figures to skyrocket.

2) Add "the fact that" to "despite" in B.
(B) Despite the fact that they are useful in facilitating comparisons . . .

Here is a common example in which the phrase "for all" is standard idiom
for "despite" or "in spite of": "For all its faults, this country is still the best in the world."

Maybe you are saying that the options alone do not clearly show whether this sentence should convey contrast.
I agree.

Two words, however, are cues.
We have "Xs are useful" in every option.
We also have "Xs . . . shine an unfairly harsh light. . . .

USEFUL/HARSH. Contrast. Here are the sentences, with only the contrast element corrected (there are other errors):

(B) Despite [the fact that] they are useful in facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, often

(C) Because
Although they are quite useful in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, can often

(D) Quite useful when facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, which [nonetheless can] frequently

(E) For Despite their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, frequently

The words in red are the contrast words, corrected. (There are other errors.)

Xs are useful . . . Xs are unfairly harsh. Contrast.

I hope I understood your question. (And yes: "despite" must be followed by a noun or noun-phrase.)

Hope that helps. :-)
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For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often shine an unfairly harsh light on small towns, in which a single incident can cause such figures to skyrocket.

(A) For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often

(B) Despite they are useful in facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, often

(C) Because they are quite useful in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, can often

(D) Quite useful when facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, which frequently

(E) For their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, frequently

Hi

I thought per capita statistics was singular, normally we use singular verbs for Maths and Physics also statistics

Could u pls explain why we are using their and shine for per capita statistics

How do we make out the difference?

Thanks in advance

Hi zanaik89

Do you mean something such as:
"Statistics" IS a complex subject?
"Combinatorics" IS [VERY] boring. (Sorry. :grin: /end editorial)

If those examples do not capture what you mean,
could you give a few examples of precisely what you mean?

"Statistics" can be singular or plural.

Singular statistics refers to a field of study or science in which data is gathered,
interpreted, etc. Example: "Statistics contains many interesting conceptual approaches."
Or, "Statistics is an easy class."

Plural statistics are the observations, the numerical values,
the results of the analysis. Example: "Statistics on violence against women
are not encouraging."

(One way to figure out the meaning in this particular question comes from the
words right after the phrase "per capita statistics.")

In every sentence, we see, " . . . .per-capita statistics, especially crime rates)

I hope that helps. :-)
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For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often shine an unfairly harsh light on small towns, in which a single incident can cause such figures to skyrocket.

(A) For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often

(B) Despite they are useful in facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, often

(C) Because they are quite useful in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, can often

(D) Quite useful when facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, which frequently

(E) For [-----] their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, frequently


B -- despite "they are useful" is wrong, should not be despite + S + V, but despite + some kind of noun phrase
C -- meaning is the opposite
D -- where is the verb
E -- was my 2nd pick, the use of "for all" sounded better, but not sure if there is a rule
A is the best answer


Sowelu
"For all" is correct. Good instincts!

Without that one word, ALL, E fails to convey contrast. Whoops.
And Option E uses "different" incorrectly.
Rewrite of E
DESPITE THEIR USEFULNESS in facilitating comparisons between CITIES OF DIFFERENT SIZES, per-capita statistics . . .

From my words here we can infer that:

1) "For all," when contrast is involved, means: notwithstanding, despite, in spite of; and

2) "For," when contrast is involved, typically does NOT mean "for all" (= despite),
and in this example, creates a nonsensical sentence.

Option E STRIPPED DOWN:
For their usefulness in facilitating comparisons . . . statistics . . . shine an unfairly harsh light on small towns.

Huh? :?

In this sentence, for either conveys nonsense or means because

The idiomatic phrase to convey contrast is "for all."

Example: For all his faults, he had a wonderful sense of humor and a good heart.

Hope that helps. :-)
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meaning and error analysis:
1. "per-capita statistics" is subject. The word "statistics" is used both as singular and as plural. Looking at the "Shine" in un-underline part, i say it is plural. use of 'their' is correct.
2. "Between" is used for two distinct object, in this case cities. Among should be a better option, but all choices are using between so let this one go. Consider it for two cities.
3. "per-capita statistics" is modified by modifier "For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes" correct.
4. "especially crime rates" is part of that statistics. modifying statistics.
5. difference between often and frequently --- both means repetition just often < frequently. more over frequently means in frequent intervals that denotes a regularity. while often says it's happening but not in regular intervals.


(A) For all their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between cities of different sizes, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, often --- Correct answer.

(B) Despite they are useful in facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, often ---- and especially crime rates - this one is wrong. it should be parallel with something.

(C) Because they are quite useful in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, can often --- can often leaves a possibility of not so much facilitating. change of meaning .

(D) Quite useful when facilitating comparisons between differently sized cities, per-capita statistics, and especially crime rates, which frequently ---
1. and especially crime rates --- not right.
2. use of 'which' is not correct as it refers to crime rate and so does rest of the sentence.
3. no subject verb pair.
(E) For their usefulness in facilitating comparisons between different sized cities, per-capita statistics, especially crime rates, frequently ---- change of meaning by using frequently.
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