It is currently 13 Dec 2017, 02:45

Decision(s) Day!:

CHAT Rooms | Ross R1 | Kellogg R1 | Darden R1 | Tepper R1


Close

GMAT Club Daily Prep

Thank you for using the timer - this advanced tool can estimate your performance and suggest more practice questions. We have subscribed you to Daily Prep Questions via email.

Customized
for You

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

Track
Your Progress

every week, we’ll send you an estimated GMAT score based on your performance

Practice
Pays

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

Not interested in getting valuable practice questions and articles delivered to your email? No problem, unsubscribe here.

Close

Request Expert Reply

Confirm Cancel

Events & Promotions

Events & Promotions in June
Open Detailed Calendar

Idioms - Why to learn them?

  new topic post reply Question banks Downloads My Bookmarks Reviews Important topics  
Author Message
Manager
Manager
avatar
B
Joined: 18 May 2017
Posts: 54

Kudos [?]: 4 [0], given: 125

Idioms - Why to learn them? [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 30 Aug 2017, 03:28
Hi,

I have a general question about idioms: What's the point in learning tens or hundreds of idioms if there is a bunch of other - less familiar - idioms that it is impossible (almost :)) to learn? let's assume that i have learned all the correct idioms in the Manhattan strategy guide. Even than i'll not be able to eliminate choices on idioms grounds (even if one of the idiom i'm familiar with will appear) because i'm not familiar with all the idioms in the world. So what the hack? What is the value in learning idioms if it dose not allow me to eliminate choices on idioms grounds?

Kudos [?]: 4 [0], given: 125

Manager
Manager
User avatar
S
Joined: 27 Dec 2016
Posts: 196

Kudos [?]: 48 [0], given: 222

Concentration: Social Entrepreneurship, Nonprofit
GPA: 3.65
WE: Sales (Consumer Products)
Premium Member CAT Tests
Re: Idioms - Why to learn them? [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 30 Aug 2017, 03:47
oryahalom wrote:
Hi,

I have a general question about idioms: What's the point in learning tens or hundreds of idioms if there is a bunch of other - less familiar - idioms that it is impossible (almost :)) to learn? let's assume that i have learned all the correct idioms in the Manhattan strategy guide. Even than i'll not be able to eliminate choices on idioms grounds (even if one of the idiom i'm familiar with will appear) because i'm not familiar with all the idioms in the world. So what the hack? What is the value in learning idioms if it dose not allow me to eliminate choices on idioms grounds?


I got your point. Actually, I'm on my last stage of GMAT preparation - and idiom seems to become my biggest weakness.
I only memorize several famous idioms, not spent too many times only to memorize a number of other idioms.

Believe it or not, idiom can make easy questions become hard questions for me - and vice versa - just because in the easy question, sometimes they just only test the idiom. On the other hand, hard questions often test several things in one single questions - and sometimes you do not need to break the idiom problems because you already solve another point of grammatical and logical mistakes.

GMATNinja has written down wonderful explanation about this struggling, you may check it also : https://gmatclub.com/forum/experts-topic-of-the-week-5-29-17-no-bs-guide-to-gmat-idioms-241848.html

Happy studying! 8-) 8-) :thumbup: :thumbup:
_________________

There's an app for that - Steve Jobs.

Kudos [?]: 48 [0], given: 222

Manager
Manager
avatar
B
Joined: 18 May 2017
Posts: 54

Kudos [?]: 4 [0], given: 125

Idioms - Why to learn them? [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 30 Aug 2017, 03:57
septwibowo

Thanks for the response :)

I try to understand. You face a question that tests idioms (solely or together with some other issues). let's assume that you identify one of the correct idiom-usage you have learned. How does it help you to eliminate choices that dose not include the idiom you learned but different versions? How the idioms knowledge helps you to decide that the other usage are wrong? I want to learn the idioms if its worth something (even if not much) but i struggle to understand what it worth.

Kudos [?]: 4 [0], given: 125

1 KUDOS received
VP
VP
User avatar
D
Joined: 15 Jul 2015
Posts: 1155

Kudos [?]: 283 [1], given: 6

Location: India
GMAT 1: 780 Q50 V51
GRE 1: 339 Q170 V169
Re: Idioms - Why to learn them? [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 30 Aug 2017, 05:50
1
This post received
KUDOS
oryahalom wrote:
Hi,

I have a general question about idioms: What's the point in learning tens or hundreds of idioms if there is a bunch of other - less familiar - idioms that it is impossible (almost :)) to learn? let's assume that i have learned all the correct idioms in the Manhattan strategy guide. Even than i'll not be able to eliminate choices on idioms grounds (even if one of the idiom i'm familiar with will appear) because i'm not familiar with all the idioms in the world. So what the hack? What is the value in learning idioms if it dose not allow me to eliminate choices on idioms grounds?

The OA will be automatically revealed on Wednesday 30th of August 2017 04:28:09 PM Pacific Time Zone
I'm really looking forward to seeing the OA to this question :-)

I agree with you to some extent. I certainly don't ask my students to memorize long "idiom lists". However, there are some structures that occur quite frequently. It might be a good idea to go through those. For example, you do want to be able to remove an option that uses both X as well as Y instead of both X and Y.
_________________

Ascore Prep | Bangalore

Kudos [?]: 283 [1], given: 6

Manager
Manager
avatar
B
Joined: 18 May 2017
Posts: 54

Kudos [?]: 4 [0], given: 125

Re: Idioms - Why to learn them? [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 30 Aug 2017, 06:00
AjiteshArun - Thanks for your response (the answer will pop up right away :)) i understand what do you say, but if it actually means that i have to learn the "right idioms" as well as the "wrong ones", doesn't it?

Kudos [?]: 4 [0], given: 125

Director
Director
User avatar
S
Joined: 27 Mar 2010
Posts: 747

Kudos [?]: 330 [0], given: 13

Location: Bangalore, India
Re: Idioms - Why to learn them? [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 30 Aug 2017, 09:06
oryahalom wrote:
Hi, I have a general question about idioms: What's the point in learning tens or hundreds of idioms

Hi oryahalom, indeed chances are almost zilch that an option would be incorrect solely because of incorrect idiom usage.

Having said that, the use of idioms is so prevalent in English that it is highly unlikely that GMAC will completely stop testing them.

Hence, we believe that the extreme choices of either learning no idiom at all, or memorizing hundreds of idioms, are both inefficient approaches.

p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana collates a list of around 20-30 most prominent idioms, their application and examples. If someone is interested, PM me your email-id; I can mail the corresponding section.
_________________

Thanks,
Ashish (GMAT Faculty @ EducationAisle)
http://www.EducationAisle.com

Sentence Correction Nirvana available at Amazon.in and Flipkart

Now! Preview the entire Grammar Section of Sentence Correction Nirvana at pothi.com

Kudos [?]: 330 [0], given: 13

Top Contributor
SVP
SVP
User avatar
S
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
Posts: 2145

Kudos [?]: 1661 [0], given: 8

Location: New York, NY
Re: Idioms - Why to learn them? [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 02 Sep 2017, 05:56
Top Contributor
The usage of idioms on the test has been reduce substantially over the years so as not to produce an inherent bias in the test.

There are, of course, certain stylistic elements that will be tested -- such as X&Y consistency, and how certain words are placed together -- but there really are just a handful.

We've structured our SC course around these small handful of commonly tested idiomatic expressions that pretty much cover all you need for the test. I believe there's an overestimation of the importance of idioms on the test -- but that really has changed a lot compared to 10-15 yrs ago -- to the benefit of non-native English speakers.

I'm confident that if you are able to master the most common SC stylistic idiomatic expressions -- you will be 100% prepared for what you will see on the actual test.

You can learn more about GMAT Pill at www.gmatpill.com/testimonials

Kudos [?]: 1661 [0], given: 8

Intern
Intern
avatar
Joined: 20 Sep 2017
Posts: 7

Kudos [?]: 0 [0], given: 0

Re: Idioms - Why to learn them? [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 20 Sep 2017, 03:20
Because it's nationally biased phrases that are used in everyday speech in each country. I'm sure that you have used them at least 2 times. Because with their help you can beautify your speech and show attitude to different things. Also, with the help of idioms you can say smth that can hardly be explained or have a very long explanation.

Kudos [?]: 0 [0], given: 0

Expert Post
Manhattan Prep Instructor
User avatar
S
Joined: 04 Dec 2015
Posts: 422

Kudos [?]: 271 [0], given: 62

GMAT 1: 790 Q51 V49
GRE 1: 340 Q170 V170
Re: Idioms - Why to learn them? [#permalink]

Show Tags

New post 24 Sep 2017, 11:01
The MPrep Sentence Correction guide has two lists of idioms for exactly this reason! Focus on two things:

1. The 'short list' of commonly tested idioms, in the 'idioms' chapter of the book (NOT the long list in the appendix)
2. Any idiom that actually causes you to miss a problem while you're practicing.

There are many things you should focus on before you work on idioms, such as modifiers and parallelism. If you aren't already at a pretty high level with the more commonly tested SC topics, don't waste your time studying hundreds (or even dozens) of idioms that you likely won't see on the test. It would only be worth doing if you had basically infinite time to study; in reality, idioms are often a low-value topic.
_________________

Image

Chelsey Cooley | Manhattan Prep Instructor | Seattle and Online

My upcoming GMAT trial classes | GMAT blog archive

Kudos [?]: 271 [0], given: 62

Re: Idioms - Why to learn them?   [#permalink] 24 Sep 2017, 11:01
Display posts from previous: Sort by

Idioms - Why to learn them?

  new topic post reply Question banks Downloads My Bookmarks Reviews Important topics  


GMAT Club MBA Forum Home| About| Terms and Conditions| GMAT Club Rules| Contact| Sitemap

Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group | Emoji artwork provided by EmojiOne

Kindly note that the GMAT® test is a registered trademark of the Graduate Management Admission Council®, and this site has neither been reviewed nor endorsed by GMAC®.