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In 1972 votes were cast by fifty-five percent of the electorate; and forty percent in 1996.

(A) electorate; and forty percent in 1996
(B) electorate; in 1996 the figure was forty percent
(C) electorate, and in 1996 forty percent
(D) electorate, forty percent in 1996 was the figure
(E) electorate that fell to forty percent in 1996

The solution to this question is explained in Veritas SC book. However, the explanation seems to be incomplete since it does not mention why choice C is wrong. I think C is fine because it makes "fifty-five percent" and "forty percent" parallel.

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25. In 1972 votes were cast by fifty-fie percent of the electorate; and forty percent
in 1996.
(A) electorate; and forty percent in 1996
second portion cannot stand independently
(B) electorate; in 1996 the figure was forty percent
correct
(C) electorate, and in 1996 forty percent
parallelism error..
(D) electorate, forty percent in 1996 was the figure
incorrect ... wordy and grammatically both
(E) electorate that fell to forty percent in 1996
parallelism error.. meaning issue


The solution to this question is explained in Veritas SC book. However, the explanation seems to be incomplete since it does not mention why choice C is wrong. I think C is fine because it makes "fifty-five percent" and "forty percent" parallel.

Please share your thought.


hi HoaTran,
C does not parallel the two portion.. it should have been (C) electorate, and in 1996,by forty percent.... by is must and votes were cast could have been omitted... ans B...
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In 1972 votes were cast by fifty-five percent of the electorate; and forty percent in 1996.

(A) electorate; and forty percent in 1996
the second sentence is not independent which is must for a semi-colon

(B) electorate; in 1996 the figure was forty percent
Correct choice with proper semicolon and two independent sentences.

(C) electorate, and in 1996 forty percent
and in 1996 forty percent is a completely absurd option as it does neither connect properly with the other part of sentence nor makes meaningful phrase.

(D) electorate, forty percent in 1996 was the figure
This contains the error of comma-splice. comma was used instead of semi colon.

(E) electorate that fell to forty percent in 1996
that refers to electorate thereby changing the intended meaning that it was electorate which reduced in 1996.
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Hi Nevernevergiveup and chetan2u,
I've seen options in veritas/other preps that used semi-colon to seperate different incomplete sentences that shouldnt stand on their own. And such option was deemed correct by veritas. In fact in the explanation veritas said that it is not necessarily wrong to separate incompletes using semicolons. So if A is off solely on the semicolon ground, then i see inconsistency, but i guess something else must have nailed A.
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Hi Nevernevergiveup and chetan2u,
I've seen options in veritas/other preps that used semi-colon to seperate different incomplete sentences that shouldnt stand on their own. And such option was deemed correct by veritas. In fact in the explanation veritas said that it is not necessarily wrong to separate incompletes using semicolons. So if A is off solely on the semicolon ground, then i see inconsistency, but i guess something else must have nailed A.


I have no idea where you picked up the point that semicolon can be used to separate incomplete sentences but the information is incorrect. Here is some info from Manhattan GMAT Guides.

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Semicolon


The semicolon (;) connects two closely related statements. Each statement must be able to stand alone as an independent sentence. For instance, we can fix the previous example by using a semicolon.

    Right: Earl walked to school; he later ate his lunch.


Consider another example:

    Wrong: Andrew and Lisa are inseparable; doing everything together.

The second part of this sentence cannot stand on its own. Therefore, the two parts may not be connected by a semicolon.

    Right: Andrew and Lisa are inseparable; they do everything together.


In the corrected example, the two sentence parts can each stand alone. Therefore, they may be connected by a semicolon. Moreover, when you use a semicolon, you should ensure that the two sentence parts are related in an independent, balanced way. If it seems that the author originally meant to subordinate one part to the other, you must preserve that intent.

    Right: The dam has created dead zones, WHERE fish have disappeared.
    Wrong: The dam has created dead zones; fish have disappeared.

In the second example above, the writer seems to be saying that fish all over the world have disappeared.
The first example is appropriately limited to the dead zones.
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Hi Nevernevergiveup and chetan2u,
I've seen options in veritas/other preps that used semi-colon to seperate different incomplete sentences that shouldnt stand on their own. And such option was deemed correct by veritas. In fact in the explanation veritas said that it is not necessarily wrong to separate incompletes using semicolons. So if A is off solely on the semicolon ground, then i see inconsistency, but i guess something else must have nailed A.


I have no idea where you picked up the point that semicolon can be used to separate incomplete sentences but the information is incorrect. Here is some info from Manhattan GMAT Guides.

Quote:

Semicolon


The semicolon (;) connects two closely related statements. Each statement must be able to stand alone as an independent sentence. For instance, we can fix the previous example by using a semicolon.

    Right: Earl walked to school; he later ate his lunch.


Consider another example:

    Wrong: Andrew and Lisa are inseparable; doing everything together.

The second part of this sentence cannot stand on its own. Therefore, the two parts may not be connected by a semicolon.

    Right: Andrew and Lisa are inseparable; they do everything together.


In the corrected example, the two sentence parts can each stand alone. Therefore, they may be connected by a semicolon. Moreover, when you use a semicolon, you should ensure that the two sentence parts are related in an independent, balanced way. If it seems that the author originally meant to subordinate one part to the other, you must preserve that intent.

    Right: The dam has created dead zones, WHERE fish have disappeared.
    Wrong: The dam has created dead zones; fish have disappeared.

In the second example above, the writer seems to be saying that fish all over the world have disappeared.
The first example is appropriately limited to the dead zones.


I get your explanations
Alright that's a misquote from me.. Veritas never said that.
Now chetan2u if you must choose btw this two, which will be your choice?
1. An answer choice where semicolon is rightly used to separate two complete sentences (each containing redundant words)
OR
2. Another answer choice that replaces the semicolon with a coma (with the redundancy removed)
They said that 2 must be chosen.
I'll have to go surf for that question and bring it to you.
They were actually saying that a grammatically wrong statement rightly separated by semicolon doesn't make it more right and that the other option that removed the grammatical error but committed the error of replacing the semicolon with a comma is actually the better option.
I dont know you if copy that.
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Nez wrote:

I get your explanations
Alright that's a misquote from me.. Veritas never said that.
Now chetan2u if you must choose btw this two, which will be your choice?
1. An answer choice where semicolon is rightly used to separate two complete sentences (each containing redundant words)
OR
2. Another answer choice that replaces the semicolon with a coma (with the redundancy removed)
They said that 2 must be chosen.
I'll have to go surf for that question and bring it to you.
They were actually saying that a grammatically wrong statement rightly separated by semicolon doesn't make it more right and that the other option that removed the grammatical error but committed the error of replacing the semicolon with a comma is actually the better option.
I dont know you if copy that.


Hi Nez,
yes , you will choose 2, if it joins the independent clauses with a conjunction, thus avoiding run on sentences..
example--
1) John is a great swimmer; he is a great athlete too.
2) John is a great swimmer and a great athlete..
Both are correct..

I'll just add some more points on ";"..
1) It can join two independent clauses, but the clauses should be related to each other.
2) It is also used in place of commas at some place to avoid confusion..
Searching for best food, he travelled to melbourne, australia; bangalore, India; and London, UK.
3) you cannot use semicolon to join two clauses in which one is a dependent clause..

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chetan2u wrote:
HoaTran wrote:
25. In 1972 votes were cast by fifty-fie percent of the electorate; and forty percent
in 1996.
(A) electorate; and forty percent in 1996
second portion cannot stand independently
(B) electorate; in 1996 the figure was forty percent
correct
(C) electorate, and in 1996 forty percent
parallelism error..
(D) electorate, forty percent in 1996 was the figure
incorrect ... wordy and grammatically both
(E) electorate that fell to forty percent in 1996
parallelism error.. meaning issue


The solution to this question is explained in Veritas SC book. However, the explanation seems to be incomplete since it does not mention why choice C is wrong. I think C is fine because it makes "fifty-five percent" and "forty percent" parallel.

Please share your thought.


hi HoaTran,
C does not parallel the two portion.. it should have been (C) electorate, and in 1996,by forty percent.... by is must and votes were cast could have been omitted... ans B...

Hi Chetan
Can you please explain why by is a must.
Can't the parallelism start after by. What I mean is this
In 1972 votes were cast by fifty-fie percent of the electorate, and in 1996 forty percent of the electorate
Parts in red are perfectly parallel preceded by preposition by.

I know I am wrong, just convince me how :-D :-D .
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chetan2u wrote:
HoaTran wrote:
25. In 1972 votes were cast by fifty-fie percent of the electorate; and forty percent
in 1996.
(A) electorate; and forty percent in 1996
second portion cannot stand independently
(B) electorate; in 1996 the figure was forty percent
correct
(C) electorate, and in 1996 forty percent
parallelism error..
(D) electorate, forty percent in 1996 was the figure
incorrect ... wordy and grammatically both
(E) electorate that fell to forty percent in 1996
parallelism error.. meaning issue


The solution to this question is explained in Veritas SC book. However, the explanation seems to be incomplete since it does not mention why choice C is wrong. I think C is fine because it makes "fifty-five percent" and "forty percent" parallel.

Please share your thought.


hi HoaTran,
C does not parallel the two portion.. it should have been (C) electorate, and in 1996,by forty percent.... by is must and votes were cast could have been omitted... ans B...

Hi Chetan
Can you please explain why by is a must.
Can't the parallelism start after by. What I mean is this
In 1972 votes were cast by fifty-fie percent of the electorate, and in 1996 forty percent of the electorate
Parts in red are perfectly parallel preceded by preposition by.

I know I am wrong, just convince me how :-D :-D .
Also any solid stratergy to tackle these kind of questions; These kind of questions always throws me out.


Hi,
you can generally omit verbs in the form of was,is etc but not by..
had it been--
In 1972, % of voting was 55% and in 1976, 40%...
say I change the words a bit and give you a different sentence--
1) THis painting is made by Ram and Shyam.. its Ok
2) In 1992, the Wimbeldon was won by Boris Becker and in 1996, by pete Sampras..
----In 1992, the Wimbeldon was won by Boris Becker and in 1996, pete Sampras won it ...still ok
------In 1992, the Wimbeldon was won by Boris Becker and in 1996, pete Sampras.--It does not convey the message correctly
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In 1972 votes were cast by fifty-five percent of the electorate; and forty percent in 1996.

(A) electorate; and forty percent in 1996

- Portion after semicolon should have verb, which is missing in this case

(B) electorate; in 1996 the figure was forty percent

- CORRECT, portion after semicolon fixes the above verb issue

(C) electorate, and in 1996 forty percent

- missing verb to create a parallel structure

(D) electorate, forty percent in 1996 was the figure

- missing a conjunction in order to join the sentence here

(E) electorate that fell to forty percent in 1996

- Changes the meaning

Hence, Answer is B

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HoaTran wrote:
In 1972 votes were cast by fifty-five percent of the electorate; and forty percent in 1996.

(A) electorate; and forty percent in 1996
(B) electorate; in 1996 the figure was forty percent
(C) electorate, and in 1996 forty percent
(D) electorate, forty percent in 1996 was the figure
(E) electorate that fell to forty percent in 1996



Intent of the sentence is to compare the % difference of votes for the electorate

(A) electorate; and forty percent in 1996
Incomplete Sentence

(B) electorate; in 1996 the figure was forty percent
|| and correct answer

(C) electorate, and in 1996 forty percent
Incomplete construction, 40 % of what ??

(D) electorate, forty percent in 1996 was the figure
Not ||, incorrect comparison

(E) electorate that fell to forty percent in 1996
Not ||, incorrect comparison
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