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The point is that if it is NOW true that something WILL happen, then when we talk about this time in the past tense, we say it WOULD happen. This doesn't depend on whether the thing that WOULD happen has already happened. It's correct to say "T Rex may have been the terror of the Cretaceous, but like all the other dinosaurs, it would be wiped out in the K-T mass extinction." Certainly, this has already happened! We're simply saying that AT THE TIME that T Rex was the terror of the Cretaceous, it was true that it WOULD LATER be wiped out. In that sense, it's almost like a future version of the past perfect. We say "HAD BEEN" to refer to something that was true BEFORE our past event, and "WOULD" to refer to something that eventually happened, but had not yet happened when our past event occurred.

Thanks Dmitri for wonderful explanation.

Can you resolve my final doubt.

" When I stucked in this question I knew Dmitri would resolve all my doubts"
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" When I stucked in this question I knew Dmitri would resolved all my doubts"

Which is the corrrect use here among both ?

In question I feel would+ V1 form of verb(depose) should be used as you rightly said( "WOULD" to refer to something that eventually happened, but had not yet happened when our past event occurred.)
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In option A, isn't the use of 'who' incorrect ? It should be whom right ? As cousin didn't carry out the act of deposing himself, he wasn't the doer of the action generis, GMATNinja, if any of you can help
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Project SC Butler: Day 166: Sentence Correction (SC1)


THE PROMPT
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The French Revolution of 1830, also known as the July Revolution or the Second French Revolution, saw the overthrow of King Charles X, the French Bourbon monarch, and the ascent of his cousin Louis-Philippe, who himself would be deposed after 18 precarious years on the throne.
• I detect no errors.
• Strip the sentence of nonessential modifiers to see whether the sentence still makes sense:
The French Revolution of 1830 . . . saw the overthrow of King Charles X . . . and the ascent of his cousin Louis-Philippe, who himself would be deposed after 18 precarious years on the throne.
That sentence works.
Meaning? The French Revolution of 1830 included the overthrow of King Charles X and the ascent of Charles's cousin Louis-Philippe; after 18 precarious years on the thrown, Louis-Philippe was also deposed.

THE OPTIONS

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A) The French Revolution of 1830, also known as the July Revolution or the Second French Revolution, saw the overthrow of King Charles X, the French Bourbon monarch, and the ascent of his cousin Louis-Philippe, who himself would be deposed after 18 precarious years on the throne.
• Option A seems fine.

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B) The French Revolution of 1830, also known as the July Revolution or the Second French Revolution, saw the overthrow of King Charles X, the French Bourbon monarch, and the ascent of Louis-Philippe, [comma splice] his cousin had himself been deposed after 18 precarious years on the throne.
• comma splice
-- the word his after the highlighted comma creates a new sentence.
-- two clauses (sentences) must be joined by more than a comma -- a conjunction is required
Eliminate B

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C) The French Revolution of 1830, also known as the July Revolution or the Second French Revolution, saw the overthrow of King Charles X, the French Bourbon monarch, and Louis-Philippe's ascent, his cousin who, after 18 precarious years on the throne, was deposed.
his cousin who should logically refer to Louis-Philippe, but Louis-Philippe does not appear—only Louis Philippe's ascent.
• the actual referent of his cousin who is ascent, a construction that makes no sense. An ascent is not a cousin.
Eliminate C

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D) The French Revolution of 1830, also known as the July Revolution or the Second French Revolution, saw the overthrow of King Charles X, the French Bourbon monarch, and the ascent of his cousin Louis-Philippe, whose deposition himself would come after 18 precarious years on the throne.
• reflexive pronouns such as himself are used to refer to the noun that immediately precedes the reflexive pronoun. That noun is deposition.
• a deposition is a thing. The reflexive pronoun himself must refer to a person.
• absurd meaning: this option implies that the deposition spent 18 years on the throne. (Um, no. Louis-Philippe spent 18 years on the throne.)
Eliminate D

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E) The French Revolution of 1830, also known as the July Revolution or the Second French Revolution, saw the overthrow of King Charles X, the French Bourbon monarch, and his cousin Louis-Philippe's ascent, which would himself be deposed after 18 precarious years on the throne.
himself is a person and cannot refer to the non-human pronoun which.
• referent problem similar to that in (C): himself refers illogically to ascent rather than Louis-Philippe
Eliminate E

Reflexive pronouns in English are very effective. English does not repeat subject references very often.
Reflexive pronounse are most commonly used when the doer and recipient of the action are the same person or thing:
He gave himself an epinephrine shot.

In this case, the reflexive pronoun says, "and it happened to him, too!"
That is, the reflexive pronoun himself in option A (who himself would be deposed) is a very efficient way to say that what happened to Charles X also happened to Louis-Philippe.



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In option A, isn't the use of 'who' incorrect ? It should be whom right ? As cousin didn't carry out the act of deposing himself, he wasn't the doer of the action generis, GMATNinja, if any of you can help

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In option A, isn't the use of 'who' incorrect ? It should be whom right ? As cousin didn't carry out the act of deposing himself, he wasn't the doer of the action generis, GMATNinja, if any of you can help

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In option A, isn't the use of 'who' incorrect ? It should be whom right ? As cousin didn't carry out the act of deposing himself, he wasn't the doer of the action generis, GMATNinja, if any of you can help

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In option A, isn't the use of 'who' incorrect ? It should be whom right ? As cousin didn't carry out the act of deposing himself, he wasn't the doer of the action generis, GMATNinja, if any of you can help
You're confusing "doer" with "subject."

Consider a more familiar example: "He was hit in the face by Tim's errant throw." "He" is the recipient of the action, but is still the subject of the sentence, and "was" is the main verb. (Clearly, "Him was hit" isn't correct, right?)

We use "who" the same way. "Adam was the person who was hit in the face by Tim's errant throw." Again, "who" is the one getting hit, but "who" is also the subject of "was."

Same deal here. "Who" is the subject of "would be deposed." So the action might be happening to him, but we can't use "whom" as the subject.

I hope that clears things up!
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