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Hi guys,

I will be applying to HEC Paris and Oxford. I have the option of taking either of these language tests. My application deadline is 24th February, hence I'd like to get done with this part of the application at the earliest.
While HEC doesn't specify a minimum score, Oxford does.
IELTS: Overall minimum of 7.5 (Sectional minimum of 7.0)
TOEFL: Overall minimum of 110 (Listening -22, Writing - 24, Reading - 24, Speaking - 25)

After reading this post http://gmatclub.com/forum/toefl-or-ielts-100782.html, I think I'll be equally comfortable with both testing formats.
However, the post does not talk about the preparation involved.


1) Can either of these be taken without preparation? If not, which would require less prep?
2) Given Oxford's requirements, which seems more achievable?

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Vaidya wrote:
Hi guys,

I will be applying to HEC Paris and Oxford. I have the option of taking either of these language tests. My application deadline is 24th February, hence I'd like to get done with this part of the application at the earliest.
While HEC doesn't specify a minimum score, Oxford does.
IELTS: Overall minimum of 7.5 (Sectional minimum of 7.0)
TOEFL: Overall minimum of 110 (Listening -22, Writing - 24, Reading - 24, Speaking - 25)

After reading this post http://gmatclub.com/forum/toefl-or-ielts-100782.html, I think I'll be equally comfortable with both testing formats.
However, the post does not talk about the preparation involved.


1) Can either of these be taken without preparation? If not, which would require less prep?
2) Given Oxford's requirements, which seems more achievable?

Thanks
Vaidya


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Either tests are tough. In particular, the latter in the listening part is really demanding because the pronunciation is British (it is required mainly in Canada and Australia) so a bit unusual for the hearing, at least for me, I am used to US accent.

Based on the info provide I would go with TOEFL, not so high score required in each section of the test.

See here for all the resources you need best-resources-to-tackle-each-section-of-the-toefl-ibt-144802.html

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Either tests are tough. In particular, the latter in the listening part is really demanding because the pronunciation is British (it is required mainly in Canada and Australia) so a bit unusual for the hearing, at least for me, I am used to US accent.


Ah yes, good point. I'm more comfortable with the American accent.

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don't get me wrong..but getting 110 on TOEFL is not an easy task...I got 110, but I have lived in the US for 2.5 years...can't say it's impossible, but sure you have to learn how to answer each type of questions so that you maximize your chance of getting the desired score.

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Vaidya wrote:
Hi guys,

I will be applying to HEC Paris and Oxford. I have the option of taking either of these language tests. My application deadline is 24th February, hence I'd like to get done with this part of the application at the earliest.
While HEC doesn't specify a minimum score, Oxford does.
IELTS: Overall minimum of 7.5 (Sectional minimum of 7.0)
TOEFL: Overall minimum of 110 (Listening -22, Writing - 24, Reading - 24, Speaking - 25)

After reading this post http://gmatclub.com/forum/toefl-or-ielts-100782.html, I think I'll be equally comfortable with both testing formats.
However, the post does not talk about the preparation involved.


1) Can either of these be taken without preparation? If not, which would require less prep?
2) Given Oxford's requirements, which seems more achievable?

Thanks
Vaidya


Hi Vaidya,

Just making sure that you have noticed this (I guess you must have but still confirming):
HEC does not require the applicant to give either TOEFL or IELTS if the Non-native English speaker holds a university degree from a university where English is the teaching language.

The same goes for Said Business School, its website states:
Waivers for the English language test:
->Evidence of the above must be provided by uploading to the application form transcripts from your institution, which clearly indicates that the medium of instruction throughout your course was English.

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don't get me wrong..but getting 110 on TOEFL is not an easy task...I got 110, but I have lived in the US for 2.5 years...can't say it's impossible, but sure you have to learn how to answer each type of questions so that you maximize your chance of getting the desired score.


I don't suppose it is. I'll be taking a practice test soon. Let's see how that goes.
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Hi Vaidya,

Just making sure that you have noticed this (I guess you must have but still confirming):
HEC does not require the applicant to give either TOEFL or IELTS if the Non-native English speaker holds a university degree from a university where English is the teaching language.

The same goes for Said Business School, its website states:
Waivers for the English language test:
->Evidence of the above must be provided by uploading to the application form transcripts from your institution, which clearly indicates that the medium of instruction throughout your course was English.

BR,
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Hi Rahul,

Thanks for sharing that, but the problem is that my degree does not specifically mention that the course was conducted in English. Additionally, it contains text in Both English and the local language, which might be a problem.

HEC's FAQ section says this: "Students who have earned a degree from an institution in which ALL instruction is conducted in English. The official language of the degree program has to be stated in the degree certificate or its supplement, or in the transcript of records."

My interpretation of that is that the institution must conduct instruction ONLY in English (Irrespective of who takes what course). Going by that, I would not be eligible for the waiver. Further, neither the degree nor the transcript species that the medium of instruction is English.

Just trying to be on the safe side. I have written to HEC asking whether it would be sufficient for me to obtain a letter from the institution stating that the medium of instruction was English. Yet to hear from them.

EDIT: I just received a response from HEC. A letter from my institution would be sufficient :)
Now I need to check with Oxford.

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Vaidya wrote:

Hi Rahul,

Thanks for sharing that, but the problem is that my degree does not specifically mention that the course was conducted in English. Additionally, it contains text in Both English and the local language, which might be a problem.

HEC's FAQ section says this: "Students who have earned a degree from an institution in which ALL instruction is conducted in English. The official language of the degree program has to be stated in the degree certificate or its supplement, or in the transcript of records."

My interpretation of that is that the institution must conduct instruction ONLY in English (Irrespective of who takes what course). Going by that, I would not be eligible for the waiver. Further, neither the degree nor the transcript species that the medium of instruction is English.

Just trying to be on the safe side. I have written to HEC asking whether it would be sufficient for me to obtain a letter from the institution stating that the medium of instruction was English. Yet to hear from them.


Hi Vaidya,

Yes, I knew you must have confirmed. Anyhow, the best course of action is to contact the institution, and you have done that already. I did engineering from Pune University, and luckily the transcript (not the degree certificate) states English as the medium of instruction as shown below:

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Best of luck for your exam, whichever you choose to take.

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Vaidya wrote:

Hi Rahul,

Thanks for sharing that, but the problem is that my degree does not specifically mention that the course was conducted in English. Additionally, it contains text in Both English and the local language, which might be a problem.

HEC's FAQ section says this: "Students who have earned a degree from an institution in which ALL instruction is conducted in English. The official language of the degree program has to be stated in the degree certificate or its supplement, or in the transcript of records."

My interpretation of that is that the institution must conduct instruction ONLY in English (Irrespective of who takes what course). Going by that, I would not be eligible for the waiver. Further, neither the degree nor the transcript species that the medium of instruction is English.

Just trying to be on the safe side. I have written to HEC asking whether it would be sufficient for me to obtain a letter from the institution stating that the medium of instruction was English. Yet to hear from them.


Hi Vaidya,

Yes, I knew you must have confirmed. Anyhow, the best course of action is to contact the institution, and you have done that already. I did engineering from Pune University, and luckily the transcript (not the degree certificate) states English as the medium of instruction as shown below:

Attachment:
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Best of luck for your exam, whichever you choose to take.

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Oh, that's great. Saves you a lot of trouble.

By the way, HEC just responded! The letter would do. Thank god.

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Oh, that's great. Saves you a lot of trouble.

By the way, HEC just responded! The letter would do. Thank God.


Good, hope you get a similar response from SBS. Best wishes!!

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The real issue with these tests, TOEFL or IELTS or GMAT or LSAT or what test you like, is the time constraints which you do have. In other words, you must show your skills in terms of english language in a really short time frame. In a sort of way, it is ridiculous that you need to explain which is your favorite restaurant and why.

The relationship between the time you live in an English country and the ability to pass the exam, getting a good score, does not exist. Many people with huge language skill could fail or gat a poor score during the TOEFL, nonetheless the know the language and speak English and write it very well.

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