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"To support this hypothesis, I analyzed the GMAT Club app tracker (post if you want me to add charts), and found less than 5% of Indian applicants, a massive pool, have a GMAT that is less than 760. While that is incredibly discouraging for most people...."

With respect to souvik101990, while this post, en generale, is an excellent motivator as I too prepare for a retake (for different reasons), the logic of the above visceral support is prone to selection bias and and thus, could be a tad bit misleading for the average Indian test-taker (full disclosure: I'm not Indian). By looking at the GMAT Club app tracker, we're not only inferring from a very small sample size of applicants, but also looking at a subgroup (within a category) of people who are highly motivated and very happy to self-report their scores (it's unlikely people who "under-performed" would be as happy to self-report as those who did not).

That said, the rest of the post does a great job (implicitly) advising people to focus on their unique stories etc and provides other perfectly reasonable reasons for retaking. This, I think, is a better use of time/effort than worrying about or revelling in the demographic dilemma (which can be both an advantage and disadvantage in life).

Just my 2 cents...
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Hi everyone

Needing some advice on retaking the gmat.

I have done the GMAT twice - first time scoring 700 (40V, 45Q) and the second time (a trainwreck...) scoring 660 (40V, 42Q).

I did quite a lot of work between 1 and 2, including getting a tutor and had massively improved my practice scores (consistently scoring 70th percentile and above on the quant). Needless to say, I was very disappointed with my second gmat. I am nervous my first score is too low for insead given their 70th percentile guidance. I do feel I should be able to crack the 70th percentile based on my skills but clearly have an issue with nerves on the day. I am also running into serious gmat fatigue.

Looking forward to your advice!
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Hi souvik101990

Where can I find the "applicant pool" sizes or which applicant pool does my country belong?

Thanks
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When you have the option to take the GRE or GMAT, do you think it's better to take the GMAT because of the more difficult math section?
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While most people consider the GRE math to be easier, members of a university's adcom will still have a look at your respective percentile score.
Thus, the percentile score would likely still reflect a strength or weaknesses in math compared to the other test takers.

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I took the GMAT last week and scored 410 (Q32,V15.IR2) .. I didnot finish the IR section, I answered only 6 questions and ended up randomly selecting answers for the rest. Same thing for the last questions in quant and verbal sections.

I need help, I feel so bad .. I am really sad and fee that I wont be able to make it to my top school.

I am targeting top schools like M7 and Insead, as per my application consultant I have a great story(essays), achievements and awards. I am an African male engineer with extended experience and awards

I feel all my other good work is useless and priceless with such GMAT score.

I need you guys to assist me, I really feel down.

US R2 rounds for different schools are approaching so fast. I have one more possiple try for the exam before R2 is over for most schools. Shall I postpone everything to the coming R1 in 2019.

Another problem is : my age
I am 32 y/o and by next year will turn 33 .. I am afraid of that affecting my chances as well.

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Will business related with government count as work experience?
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Hi guys,
On 14 February 2019 I took GMAT exam and got 740 (Q50, V40)
However I performed too bad on IR and AWA.
I got 5 IR and on AWA I wrote 5-6 sentences.

Should I consider retaking?
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On 14 February 2019 I took GMAT exam and got 740 (Q50, V40)
However I performed too bad on IR and AWA.
I got 5 IR and on AWA I wrote 5-6 sentences.

Should I consider retaking?
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No, you don't need to take the GMAT again. You could wait for your AWA score to come in to take a final call on this, but AWA has never really been that important. Your IR score is fine (not "too bad"). It could have been better, but it's not a red flag.
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On 14 February 2019 I took GMAT exam and got 740 (Q50, V40)
However I performed too bad on IR and AWA.
I got 5 IR and on AWA I wrote 5-6 sentences.

Should I consider retaking?
No, you don't need to take the GMAT again. You could wait for your AWA score to come in to take a final call on this, but AWA has never really been that important. Your IR score is fine (not "too bad"). It could have been better, but it's not a red flag.
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Thank you for your answer
I just got nervous after V and Q as I thought my performance was not good
I will ask this question again as soon as I get AWA score

Thanks again
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You can take the GMAT no more than five times in a twelve-month period (i.e., one year). You cannot take the GMAT more than eight times in your entire lifetime. Make sure you consider this GMAT retake policy when you're deciding if and when to retake the exam.
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Hello everyone

Can anyone give me access to Official GMAT Practice Tests 3/4?
I'm short on funds to purchase it myself. Thanks!

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This is great advice! I'll be using this post to see if I even need to retake further test(s).
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Can anyone give me access to Official GMAT Practice Tests 3/4?
I'm short on funds to purchase it myself. Thanks!

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Also, check the college fees which you targeting so that later it should not be difficult.
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Awesome post bb !

Quick question - I am retaking my 710 (Q47,V40), mainly to improve my quant score because I do not have a quant heavy background and will be applying to top 10/15 US programs. I have taken the test 3 times (650 - March 2019, 620 - April 2019, and 710 - July- 2019) but had cancelled my first two scores. Given that this next (and final) retake will be my fourth time, and the three scenarios are 1) I score worse/same and cancel 2) I score the same but with a better quant and accept 3) I score better and accept, do you see any potential drawbacks to this situation? I understand that admissions like to see a directional trend, but I also do not want to shoot myself in the foot my adding another cancel to my record.

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Hi All,

It is great to see the information/opinions you people are sharing in this forum. I need help if someone can guide me a bit.
I took my first GMAT in Sep 2017 and scored 640 without any preparation (Just OG and 2 GPrep Tests). That time I was not so serious about MBA as I am now. This time since May 2019 I am preparing for GMAT and started taking GPreps since July 2019.
My Gpreps scores were:

Gprep 1 : 740 (Q50 V40) 17th July
Gprep 2 : 660 (Q44 V37) 20th July.(Was not well and took medicine before the test so I feel maybe that hampered my performance.
rest cant say!)

Gprep 5: 710 (Q46 V41) 25th July
Gprep 6: 700 (Q49 V34) 26th July

Gprep 3: 700 (Q50 V35) 1st Aug
Grpep 4: 720 (Q50 V36) 3rd Aug



All Gpreps were taken in test conditions i.e. breaks and all. I attempted verbal as the first section, quants second and afterward IR and AWA. Also, All Gpreps were separate and no question was a repeat of any earlier. Just before the test day, I don't know what happened but I was quite tensed. I even caught a cold due to some weather allergy. On my test day, I had to take a medicine for allergy (Allegra) so as to stop sneezing.

I was tensed before my test and as the first question popped up on my screen I was blank i.e. it was an SC question and I took 3 minutes to answer it! I was panicking in my verbal section this whole time and messed it up big time. After the first break when I started Quants even then I was panicking though somewhat less than Verbal. I felt Verbal and Quants questions to be harder than those in Gpreps. I don't know even that If felt questions to be harder because I was panicking or they were hard in actual! My final scores were: 610, V26 Q48. I didn't accept my scores as this was not I expect from myself. I am planning to retake the GMAT around 21st of August now.

Any piece of advice or suggestion?
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the1aspirant:
It's sad that your GMAT score wasn't upto your potential. From your GMAT prep scores, it is evident that your preparation is upto the mark but it was just a bad day. I'll advise you to take a mock just to gain a little confidence and have an idea about where you stand right now without thinking of your GMAT score. Do not eat outside food a few days before the GMAT and try to abstain from exposing yourself to variation in weather.
All the best for the D-Day!

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Hi ,
I just gave the GMAT for second time and my scores for both attempts are - 1st try - 600 ( Q42 V31) 2nd Try - 680 (Q46 V37)
Now I am planning to give a third try to breach the 700 barrier. However as i want to apply to R1 in October ,I only have 2 weeks for my final attempt, can anybody give me any tips or advice.

P.S - I think my verbal score was low on the test day , usually i get around V40 in practice runs, I am however only 66% correct in S.C
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If you are positive that you need the Gmat in the first place you should always retake it.

Find the time to study, be passionate about the questions and the learning.

I personally experience a set back when I didn't get the score I wanted. But with focus and passion you will get there.

I closed the gap between 640 and 710 in 40 days. I don't see myself as fast thinker at all. If I could you can. Hope this helps you.

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I scored 700+ after 2 reattempts. Rising from depression and back to back failures. My story may help someone.

Read my journey. You can follow this article link:

https://medium.com/@mynameisshlok/how-i ... 37ebba0a17


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Should I Retake the GMAT



Taking the GMAT is a fairly big decision in itself. You are probably applying to business school, or just want to take the test out of the way. Regardless of whatever your score is, it is easy to get intimidated by people with 760 and above spending the application season without a top school admit. What does that really mean? Does the GMAT not matter as much as people think it does?

At the same time, per GMAC Research , retaking often brings value. On average, a person can gain 30 points by retaking. This could be explained by being more comfortable with the environment, knowing what to expect, and having a better stamina and time management. Also third and fourth, fifth, sixth attemps have paid off for a number of folks. (attached is the latest GMAT retake research by GMAT former director, Dr. Rudner)

When you should REALLY retake


  • You are from an overrepresented applicant pool
    The GMAT score for overrepresented applicant pool tends to be higher on average. WHY? Probably because with most career trajectory and undergrad performance largely similar, the GMAT can act as a great differentiator. To support this hypothesis, I analyzed the GMAT Club app tracker (post if you want me to add charts), and found less than 5% of Indian applicants, a massive pool, have a GMAT that is less than 760. While that is incredibly discouraging for most people, it also tells you how competitive this b school admission season really was.

  • Your GMAT score is less than 50 points of the school median
    Most schools publish their median GMAT score. It is no surprise that every year schools report a higher GMAT average or median for their graduating class. If your GMAT score is 680, and the GSB Stanford median is 722, it is highly unlikely for you to get an admission, especially if you come from an applicant pool which traditionally applies in large numbers.

  • Your GMAT Prep score and actual GMAT score are wildly different
    It is probably (albeit not likely), that you had a bad day. If you have been consistently scoring 740+ on GMAT Prep and GMAT Prep Exam Packs (be careful not to dilute those question pools by attempting lots of official questions from the forum), and on test day you find yourself getting a score less than 700, it could be possible that it was an exception. GMAC notes that standard deviation for GMAT Prep scores is around 50 points, and if you are on the higher end of that deviation, you should probably give it another shot.

  • You have not REALLY studied
    The internet is flooded with questionable GMAT resources ranging from "free downloads" and "you won't believe how I scored 760" type articles. A great way to score 700+ in the GMAT has always been following official materials and studying from reputed prep companies. Check out GMAT Club partner review page before you choose to sign up for a course. If you want to buy books, check this thread asap for verbal and quant

  • Your score is not balanced
    Often B Schools look to see a balanced GMAT score. What does it mean? Well, in GMAT terms, at least 80th percentile in both sections (this has become a hurdle for quant, which offers a 77th percentile for a respectable Q49). Check out the latest percentiles from GMAC. Note that for a greater overall score, verbal plays a massive difference, meaning that if you score 90 percentile in verbal and a 80 percentile in quant, your score will be higher than if you had scored the reverse.

  • You are waitlisted with a less than median GMAT/you want $$$ from the schools
    Often the only waitlist update that schools accept is an improved GMAT (looking at you, Ross), and retaking the GMAT is absolutely essential. The same goes for scoring some extra scholarships.

  • You are an Indian IT Male
    You are doomed. Blame your parents.


When you are better off NOT retaking


  • You have the score
    If your score is well balanced, around or higher the median of your peers (not the class average - that is deceptive), and you have not really researched enough to write those stellar essays, you should focus your time and energy on research and some more.

  • You have a great undergrad GPA
    Some peopel are just not naturally great at testing. The GMAT is an evalauator of your academic performance which stands as an indicator of how you will perform in business school. If you have proved academic prowess (straight As in undergrad or stellar coursework), you may get an admit without the best GMAT in the class.


    You have exhausted most prep materials
  • To quote Ross admissions "do not make a sport out of taking the test". If you have exhausted everything, how do you plan to improve? If you are still set on taking the GMAT, focus on quality instead. Maintain an elaborate error log and review mistakes rigorously.


Best GMAT Retake Stories

Massive SC improvement
730 to 760 - retake success
Attention really matters
170 point improvement
Journey from 490 to 700
From 550 to 690 to 750
From 420 to 700 to Wharton570 to 760 in 3 months
640 to 770 by billyjeans
500 to 700
From a year long battle from 670 to 730
4 Attempts with 580, 600, and finally 710

GMAT Retake Disasters

4th Attempt - 540
Better prep but score dropped
Bitten Twice
From 580 to 540 by JohnLewis
From 720 to 690 by Pathfinder - currently attending Wharton
From 560 to 510 by Mediamindy
From 610 to 570 after 3 months of studying
680 to 620 by Noboru
740 to 710 by MCM
6 months to go from 690 to 690

GMAT Retake Recommendations

I have scavenged the forum and other sources to find some efficient and great advice for retakes. Choose the ones that seem to be most applying to your situation

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Once you have your GMAT scheduled, you should immediately reevaluate and resume your preparation regimen to make good use of the time. Although it is tempting to devote all your time to the section or areas that were most challenging on your first run (if you’re aware of them), you should still seriously review all of the material that will appear on the test; the last thing you want to do is improve on one section but do worse on another! As always, work with as many practice questions as possible (authentic GMAC questions are ideal) and make your study environment as similar to your testing environment as you can (this part will actually be easier for you since you will have gone through the actual testing process). Budget your study time wisely, be disciplined, and work hard so you can make the most of your retake. In fact, you can create a schedule for yourself as to WHEN you’ll be studying each week, so as not to overbook other commitments such as happy hours and time to watch your favorite reality TV show. - Stacy Blackman

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You have the potential to pick up some serious points in BOTH the Quant and Verbal sections, but you don't have the time needed to make big improvements to how you handle both sections. With a V20, you have a variety of different ways to pick up the 70 points that you're looking for (assuming that you can score at a the Q41+ level again), so I suggest that you focus your studies on the Verbal section for the next 3 weeks (with a little time set aside for Quant - so that you can maintain those current skills). You should also plan to take 1 FULL-LENGTH CAT (with the Essay and IR sections) per week. - empowerGMAT

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If you are aiming for a top school, we would suggest you to aim for 740 or higher score.

Why it is a very good decision to take your GMAT again?

GMAT is the only controllable aspect of the entire application cycle. The probability of getting an admission in the top B Schools increases significantly by higher GMAT scores. According to a survey conducted on more than 600 applicants, the students scoring less than 700 has 0% to convert for top B schools. This increases to 18% for the GMAT score of 750 or more. Moreover, the higher the GMAT score, the higher the chances of getting a scholarship. The tuition fees for a two year global MBA course can be more than 80,000 $ and is increasing at a very rapid pace. The scholarship and fellowship will significantly reduce the financial burden.

Review this post: https://gmatclub.com/forum/admission-rate-213025.html

Also, assuming you are an Asian, you will a score slightly higher than the average score for that school. Asians are expected to have a good Quant score. Recently GMAC has taken into account the region wise benchmarking. GMAC introduced a benchmarking tool that allows admissions officers to compare applicants against their own cohort, filtering scores and percentile rankings by world region, country, gender and college grade-point average.

More on this can be found here: https://www.wsj.com/articles/on-b-school ... 1415236311.

Do review these links as well to understand the importance of the GMAT exam
• https://poetsandquants.com/2015/08/03/bu ... decisions/.
Read the comments below as well

• https://aringo.com/mba-admission-chances-calculator/

How to proceed further?

You have a decent Quant score with some good effort you can reach the Q49/Q50 mark. However, in Verbal, you need to improve by 5-7 points (on the scale of 60) to reach arounf V40-V42 that will take you somewhere around 740 overall.

Take a look at GMAT Planner to plan your future studies: https://gmatplanner.e-gmat.com/

Note that once you reach the V38 - V40 level, there is nothing new that needs to be learnt. The difference between a V38 guy (or V35 for that matter) and a V40+ guy is the application of learned concepts. After crossing the V40 mark, your score is largely determined by your diligence and application skill level.

A student should know how to apply the learnt concepts properly to cross the V40 border. At this stage the tricks and shortcuts tend to fail and only students with a proper approach to questions succeed. This is what we do at e-GMAT. We teach our students a foolproof process to solve questions and make them follow the same. This is the reason for our high rate of success.

Folks who were in your shoes

Here are examples of few folks who were in your shoes and have accomplished their dream score using e-GMAT courses.

1. After scoring a 710, Anuj planned his second attempt, methodically improving his verbal score from V36 to V44 (98 percentile). Click here to learn how he managed to get to 770:https://bit.ly/28Rsvgu
2. Kinjal scored a 760 improving his Verbal score from 51 percentile to 98 percentile. Click here to know how he approached GMAT Verbal to score V44: https://bit.ly/28R7az9
3. Arun Goenka (760, V42): He improved from V36 to V42 using Verbal Online. Click here to read his debrief: https://bit.ly/291GkqZ
4. Anup Kapoor (770, V44): Click here to read his debrief: https://bit.ly/291GkqZ
5. Also read Nilendu’s review to see how he mastered the process to improve his score to V44: https://bit.ly/28TuZfQ

Right Course for you

I would recommend you to look at our Verbal Online course: https://e-gmat.com/courses/verbal_online/. Verbal Online is perfectly apt for you. Verbal Online requires 80 hours of effort and if you can devote sufficient time you can easily finish the course in the time you have.

Verbal Online is a self-paced course and there is no fixed schedule or batch constraint. You can access the course contents as per your convenience. You get a study plan as soon as you complete your purchase. The study plan outlines the order in which you approach concepts.

We provide you with a detailed study plan when you purchase the course. This study plan will dictate when and where from should you practice. It will cover all official sources. You are not required to use any other study material. Your score improvement will be much higher and faster if you just use our courses. Here are some examples:
o My Journey from 600 (Mock 0) to 750 (First attempt): https://gmatclub.com/forum/my-journey-fr ... 58468.html
o Debrief – 720 (Q48 V41): https://gmatclub.com/forum/debrief-720-q ... 52235.html

Hope this helps. Please let me know if you need any information. - by eGMAT

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Looking at your score, you definitely can gain some easy points in both the sections.Fortunately GMAT tests you on certain fundamentals that you can learn and practice.

1. Did you complete the entire OG and the Verbal review?

You said that you have not exhausted the resources that you have. The best way to proceed from here would be to drill down deep and understand your problem:

Try to drill down deep in each problem type.

SC: The questions test various concepts such as S-V agreement, modifiers, parallelism etc. Find out what troubles you.
CR: There might be certain types of questions that are troubling you. May be Assumption, may be conclusion, inference etc.
You need to find that out and then practice them
RC: This again can be drilled down into different types of questions and also different topics. See what questions and topics trouble you the most and then practice accordingly.

Quants: Again you can bifurcate the questions into various topics such as Algebra, Geometry, Number System etc.

Once you have identified the problem areas, go back to the preparatory course/book that you have.
Make sure you also complete the OG and the Verbal review books if you have not already completed them. The official questions are the best source of practice and can help you if you are stuck at a particular score.

For additional practice, you can buy the Question Pack 1 and the Exam Pack 1 and 2. As an addition, start preparing an error log and keep a note of all the mistakes you made and the lessons you learnt from the problems. This will ensure you do not make the same mistake again - OptimusPrep

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100 problems a day?
*five* days of just doing problems for every *one* day of review?
this is not good... not good at all.

if you're studying properly, you should be spending substantially MORE time on review than on doing problems. if you can do even close to 100 problems per day, that indicates that you're just doing problem after problem after problem after problem after problem, and not spending nearly enough (if any) time reviewing.

here's what you should be able to do:

for EVERY quant problem:
* don't concentrate on the solution to that actual problem, since you can be sure you aren't going to see that actual problem on the exam
* instead, try to find TAKEAWAYS from the problem, which you can then APPLY TO OTHER PROBLEMS. this is key - DO NOT LEAVE A PROBLEM until you have extracted at least one piece of information, whether a formula, a strategy, a trick/trap, etc., that you can apply to OTHER problems.
do not leave a problem until you can fill in the following sentence, meaningfully and nontrivially:
"if i see _____ ON ANOTHER PROBLEM, i should _____"
* notice the SIGNALS in the problem that dictate which strategy to use. if you miss the problem, then notice the strategy that's used in the book's solution (not always the best solution, in the case of the o.g., but better than nothing), and go back to see if there are any signals 'telling' you to use that strategy.

for EVERY verbal problem:
* you should be able to give SPECIFIC reasons why EVERY wrong answer is wrong, and why EVERY right answer is right. ("i just know that it's wrong/right" is NEVER acceptable -- you need to think carefully about the problem until you have discerned a specific reason.)
* you should GENERALIZE these lessons in ways that could conceivably apply to future problems (e.g., "on this problem type, any answer choice more general than the passage = wrong").

for EVERY SC problem, in addition to the above:
* you should be able to go through the CORRECT sentence -- including the non-underlined part -- and justify EVERY construction in that sentence.
e.g.
-- if there's a modifier, you should be able to explain exactly what it modifies, and exactly why that modification makes sense.
-- if there's a pronoun, you should be able to explain exactly what it stands for, and exactly why that makes sense.
-- if there's a verb, you should be able to find its subject. you should also be able to justify the tense in which the verb is used, and/or the tense sequence of multiple verbs.
-- you should be able to explain the exact meaning of the sentence.
-- if there are parallel structures, you should be able to explain (a) the grammatical parallelism AND (b) the parallelism in meaning.
etc.

if you're doing these things, there's no way you'll be able to get through even half that number of problems.

quantity ≠ quality. - Ron Purewal
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