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Thanks for the reply!
I selected the answer as E. My logic was the following:
The paragraph starts with "I believe that the evidence of her letters supports continued respect for Nightingale's brilliance and creativity."
So the creativity that the author mentions should be due to something mentioned in the letters. And the last point in the previous paragraph about the letters was about the cost accounting system. Also its not given anywhere that they had a cost accounting system before Nightingale devised one.

Can you explain why this logic may be faulty?
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Ron

Thanks for the reply!
I selected the answer as E. My logic was the following:
The paragraph starts with "I believe that the evidence of her letters supports continued respect for Nightingale's brilliance and creativity."
So the creativity that the author mentions should be due to something mentioned in the letters. And the last point in the previous paragraph about the letters was about the cost accounting system. Also its not given anywhere that they had a cost accounting system before Nightingale devised one.

Can you explain why this logic may be faulty?

Hey PR90, sure thing! The reason is that the assumption can be false, and Nightingale's creativity is still fantastic. The assumption is that they had no cost-accounting system before 1860, in which case Nightingale helped them out tremendously by designing one for them. Conversely, though, they could have already had such a system, but it was terrible. Imagine they had a system which assigned a snail for every soldier injured, and used an abacus to keep track of money owed. Then anytime someone came in, they could move the numbers on the abacus and everyone would lose track of the accounting process. Or the snails could just sneak away when no one is looking. If such a terrible system were in place, then Nightingale's revolutionary ideas of "using a pen and paper" and whatever other wizardry she came up with would make her seem like a genius by comparison.

In essence, it isn't necessary that NO system existed before Nightingale's input, only that the system was inefficient. (I mean, snails? Who does that!?) Don't let the placement of the information in the text sway your decision, it's not where the information is placed in the text, it's how it related to the overall point.

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My 2 cents on Q7 as I got it wrong.
7. In the last paragraph, the author is primarily concerned with
(A) summarizing the arguments about Nightingale presented in the first two paragraphs
(D) citing evidence to support a view of Nightingale's career
Why is it D and not A?
Para1:
Negative view
Para2:
Positive view
Para3:

I believe that the evidence of her letters supports continued respect for Nightingale's brilliance and creativity. ...... In sum, although Nightingale may not have achieved all other goals during the Crimean War, her breadth of vision and ability to realize ambitious projects have earned her an eminent place among the ranks of social pioneers.
Asserting the + view from Para 2, author summarizes the overall discussion and present his view(3rd view) and not the view from the first para.Hence D is a better option compared to A.
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My 2 cents on Q7 as I got it wrong.
7. In the last paragraph, the author is primarily concerned with
(A) summarizing the arguments about Nightingale presented in the first two paragraphs
(D) citing evidence to support a view of Nightingale's career
Why is it D and not A?
Para1:
Negative view
Para2:
Positive view
Para3:

I believe that the evidence of her letters supports continued respect for Nightingale's brilliance and creativity. ...... In sum, although Nightingale may not have achieved all other goals during the Crimean War, her breadth of vision and ability to realize ambitious projects have earned her an eminent place among the ranks of social pioneers.
Asserting the + view from Para 2, author summarizes the overall discussion and present his view(3rd view) and not the view from the first para.Hence D is a better option compared to A.

For Q7, the word "argument" makes A incorrect. If the author is summarizing the argument, the author should not say, "I BELIEVE" because when someone is summarizing argument, I don't care about her or his opinion; I care about the facts. For example, when you are taking notes from a meeting, you don't write down, "I believe he said this and that but I think she said this and that." What they say are all facts and they are not what you believe or think. After the arguments, of course, you can conclude your opinion and say, I believe...

Clearly, "In sum, ~~~~" is the author's OPINION or VIEW rather than the summary of ARGUMENT. So the author does have a view, and what he is doing in the last paragraph is to cite all of the arguments presented and supporting his view by them, making D the right answer.

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hi GMATNinja

Can you let us know your thoughts on Q7?

7. In the last paragraph, the author is primarily concerned with
(A) summarizing the arguments about Nightingale presented in the first two paragraphs
(B) refuting the view of Nightingale's career presented in the preceding paragraph
(C) analyzing the weaknesses of the evidence presented elsewhere in the passage
(D) citing evidence to support a view of Nightingale's career
(E) correcting a factual error occurring in one of the works under review
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hi GMATNinja

Can you let us know your thoughts on Q7?

7. In the last paragraph, the author is primarily concerned with
(A) summarizing the arguments about Nightingale presented in the first two paragraphs
(B) refuting the view of Nightingale's career presented in the preceding paragraph
(C) analyzing the weaknesses of the evidence presented elsewhere in the passage
(D) citing evidence to support a view of Nightingale's career
(E) correcting a factual error occurring in one of the works under review

Hi pikolo2510,

7.In the last paragraph, the author is primarily concerned with

(A) summarizing the arguments about Nightingale presented in the first two paragraphs - The author presents new evidence to support Nightingale's work -- which also was praised in second para but summers in first para tried to debunk Nightingale and stated that her contribution was marginal
(B) refuting the view of Nightingale's career presented in the preceding paragraph - The author does not mention refute Summers' view
(C) analyzing the weaknesses of the evidence presented elsewhere in the passage - No weakness in earlier evidence is mentioned
(D) citing evidence to support a view of Nightingale's career - Correct
(E) correcting a factual error occurring in one of the works under review - The author does not correct any factual errors .

Answer D
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6. Which of the following is an assumption underlying the author's assessment of Nightingale's creativity?

(A) Educational philosophy in Nightingale's day did not normally emphasize developing children's ability to observe.
(B) Nightingale was the first to notice the poor living conditions in British military barracks in peacetime.
(C) No educator before Nightingale had thought to enlist the help of village schoolmasters in introducing new teaching techniques.
(D) Until Nightingale began her work, there was no concept of organized help for the needy in nineteenth-century Britain.
(E) The British army's medical services had no cost- accounting system until Nightingale devised one in the 1860's.

In the final paragraph, the author says that Nightingale's letters support respect for her brilliance and creativity. The author then cites the following example: "When counseling a village schoolmaster to encourage children to use their faculties of observation she sounds like a modern educator."

The inference is that Nightingale was promoting an educational philosophy (encouraging children to use their faculties of observation) that was ahead of her time (i.e. a philosophy that would later be adopted by modern educators). If Nightingale came up with this approach on her own, then that would certainly support the idea that she was creative.

However, if educational philosophy in Nightingale's time normally emphasized children's ability to observe, then Nightingale would NOT have been coming up with a creative educational philosophy. Instead, she would have simply been promoting something that had already been created.

Without (A), the evidence does NOT support that Nightingale was creative, so (A) is the best answer.
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5. With which of the following statements regarding the differing interpretations of Nightingale's importance would the author most likely agree?

In order to answer this question, we need a clear understanding of the different interpretations AND where the author stands.

  • P1 gives us one interpretation by Summers: Nightingale's importance during the Crimean War has been exaggerated, and the contribution of nurses to relieving the wounded in this conflict was marginal at best.
  • P2 gives us a contrasting interpretation drawn from Nightingale's letters: Nightingale had a huge influence on contemporary and future generations, with regards to administration and training.
  • P3 very clearly gives us the author's take: The author accepts P1 and P2, but believes that Nightingale deserves continued respect when the sum of her life's work is considered. The author believes that Nightingale's positive contributions to education and social work far outweigh her lack of accomplishment during the Crimean War.

Now let's take a look at our choices:
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(A) Summers misunderstood both the importance of Nightingale's achievements during the Crimean War and her subsequent influence on British policy.
This is very tempting, but does the author ever claim that Summers misunderstood these things? No. The author doesn't reject what is presented in P1 and doesn't question Summers' understanding of what Nightingale achieved or didn't achieve during the Crimean War. The author even admits that "Nightingale may not have achieved all other goals during the Crimean War" in P3. Choice (A) mischaracterizes the author's assessment of Summers' argument, so eliminate it.

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(B) The editors of Nightingale's letters made some valid points about her practical achievements but they still exaggerated her influence on subsequent generations.
Nope. The author definitely accepts "the evidence of her letters," as stated in the first sentence of P3. At no point does the author say that Nightingale's letters exaggerated her influence on subsequent generations. Eliminate (B).

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(C) Although Summers' account of Nightingale's role in the Crimean War may be accurate, she ignored evidence of Nightingale's subsequent achievement that suggests that her reputation as an eminent social reformer is well deserved.
This is much closer to what we've read. The author does admit that Summers' account may be accurate. But the author also agrees with the importance of Nightingale's subsequent achievement, and the author states that "her breadth of vision and ability to realize ambitious projects have earned her an eminent place among the ranks of social pioneers." (C) is a spot-on match with the structure and language used by the author, so we'll keep it around.

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(D) The editors of Nightingale's letters mistakenly propagated the outdated idealization of Nightingale that only impedes attempts to arrive at a balanced assessment of her true role.
The author never says that the editors of Nightingale's letters were mistaken, and spends all of P3 explaining why the letters contribute to a more complete picture of Nightingale's accomplishments. Eliminate (D).

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(E) The evidence of Nightingale's letters supports Summers' conclusions both about Nightingale's activities and about her influence.
This couldn't be further from what the passage tells us. P2 definitely does not support P1. Eliminate (E).

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7. In the last paragraph, the author is primarily concerned with

(A) summarizing the arguments about Nightingale presented in the first two paragraphs

When the author says "although Nightingale may not have achieved all other goals during the Crimean War," he is conceding a point to the opposition but in the entire paragraph he presents data to support that she deserves her reputation.
Paragraph 1 says that her reputation is exaggerated and no nurse could have made much difference. Paragraph 2 says that she influenced her own age and later generations. Paragraph 3 says that Nightingale deserves her reputation by giving more evidence. He does concede a point to the opposition but goes to establish his own position. So last paragraph is not just a summary of what he discussed in the two paragraphs above.

(B) refuting the view of Nightingale's career presented in the preceding paragraph

He supports the view discussed in the preceding paragraph.

(C) analyzing the weaknesses of the evidence presented elsewhere in the passage

He doesn't analyse weakness of any previous evidence.

(D) citing evidence to support a view of Nightingale's career

He supports the view that Nightingale was a social pioneer and he uses paragraph 3 to cite evidence supporting his view. Correct.

(E) correcting a factual error occurring in one of the works under review

Not correct.

Answer (D)
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Now let's take a look at our choices:
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(A) Summers misunderstood both the importance of Nightingale's achievements during the Crimean War and her subsequent influence on British policy.
This is very tempting, but does the author ever claim that Summers misunderstood these things? No. The author doesn't reject what is presented in P1 and doesn't question Summers' understanding of what Nightingale achieved or didn't achieve during the Crimean War. The author even admits that "Nightingale may not have achieved all other goals during the Crimean War" in P3. Choice (A) mischaracterizes the author's assessment of Summers' argument, so eliminate it.

GMATNinja,

Thank you for answering this question! I feel a bit confused about the option (A). Even though the author does not explicitly say that Summers "misunderstood" the importance of Nightingale nor does he reject Summers' accounts of Nightingale, the author does kind of imply that Summers does not get the importance either in the last paragraph.

I have two specific questions:

1. If the option (A) were revised into "Summers misunderstood Nightingale's subsequent influence on British policy," would it be a correct answer? In the original option (A), the first part (the importance of Nightingale's achievements in the war) is not okay but the second part seems acceptable.

2. Does "do not understand" share the same meaning of "misunderstand"? This may be a basic question, but I hope to confirm. "Misunderstand" means "think you have understand something when you have not," according to the dictionaries. I think the use of the word "misunderstand" is too strong to be correct here, but if it were replaced with "do not understand" or "is not clear," would the option (A) deserve more consideration?

Finally, I have one question about the correct answer (C).

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(C) Although Summers' account of Nightingale's role in the Crimean War may be accurate, she ignored evidence of Nightingale's subsequent achievement that suggests that her reputation as an eminent social reformer is well deserved.

I also chose (C) but feel very doubtful about the use of the word "ignore." How can we be sure that Summers ignored Nightingale's subsequent achievement? It is possible that Summers is aware of these "accomplishments" but she think that they are not worth mentioning or they are just not great enough to offset Nightingale's insufficient contribution during the war.

I know that GMAT RC questions test stated ideas and inferred ideas, but I am not sure which type this question is. If it were a "according to the passage" type question, (C) should be out as the author never explicitly says that Summmers "ignored" the evidence. If it is an inference question, I could accept (C) as the correct answer. But the question stem does not have such hints as "suggest" or "could be inferred that."
Could you provide some suggestions? Many thanks!
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Now let's take a look at our choices:
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(A) Summers misunderstood both the importance of Nightingale's achievements during the Crimean War and her subsequent influence on British policy.
This is very tempting, but does the author ever claim that Summers misunderstood these things? No. The author doesn't reject what is presented in P1 and doesn't question Summers' understanding of what Nightingale achieved or didn't achieve during the Crimean War. The author even admits that "Nightingale may not have achieved all other goals during the Crimean War" in P3. Choice (A) mischaracterizes the author's assessment of Summers' argument, so eliminate it.

GMATNinja,

Thank you for answering this question, as I also feel a bit confused about the option (A). Even though the author does not explicitly say that Summers "misunderstood" the importance of Nightingale nor reject Summers' accounts of Nightingale, the author does kind of imply that Summers does not get it either in the last paragraph.

I have two specific questions:

1. If the option (A) were revised into "Summers misunderstood Nightingale's subsequent influence on British policy," would it be the correct answer? I dropped the first part in the original (A) since I think that part is incorrect--the author seems to accept Summer's point of view regarding Nightingale's achievements during the war.

2. Does "do not understand" share the same meaning of "misunderstand"? This may be a basis question, but I hope to clarify it. "Misunderstand" means "think you have understand sth when you have not" according to dictionaries. I think the use of the word "misunderstand" is too strong to be the correct answer, but if it were replaced with "do not understand" or "is not clear," would it be worth more consideration?

Finally, I have one question about the correct answer (C).

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(C) Although Summers' account of Nightingale's role in the Crimean War may be accurate, she ignored evidence of Nightingale's subsequent achievement that suggests that her reputation as an eminent social reformer is well deserved.

I also chose (C) but feel very doubtful about the use of the word "ignore." How can we be sure that Summers ignored Nightingale's subsequent achievement? It is possible that Summers is aware of these "accomplishments" but she think that they are not worth mentioning or they are not great enough to offset Nightingale's insufficient contribution during the war.

I know that RC questions test stated ideas and inferred ideas, but I am not sure which type this question falls into. If it were a "according to the passage" type question, (C) should be out as the author never explicitly says that Summmers ignored the evidence. If it is an inference question, I could accept (C) as the correct answer. But the question stem does not give hints such as "suggest" or "could be inferred that."
Could you provide some suggestions? Many thanks!
Great questions! I'll run through them one-by-one:

1. On the proposed rewrite of option (A): you're correct that the main issue with (A) is the bit about the Crimean War -- the author never really disagrees with Summers on that point, and even implies that Summers is right. So, the author likely wouldn't think that Summers "misunderstood" that issue.

If you remove that piece of the answer choice, then yes, you could argue that (A) would be correct. However, it's not the best practice to experiment with alternate answer choices -- instead, just evaluate the ones that are given to you, and eliminate based on their exact wording.

2. That's an interesting point about "misunderstand" vs. "not understand," -- there is a subtle difference in meaning, as you've suggested. To "misunderstand" something means that you think you understand that thing, but you're mistaken. To "not understand" something could potentially mean the same thing, but could also mean that you ARE fully aware that you don't "get it".

This distinction really doesn't have an impact on (A) -- either way, the author doesn't think that Summers is necessarily wrong about Nightingale's role in the Crimean War. So, (A) would still be off even if "misunderstand" was softened to "did not understand."

3. Regarding (C): you're barking up the right tree by looking at the exact language of the question. Question 5 asks us to find the answer choice with which the author "would[...] most likely agree." In other words, we're not looking for something that is explicitly stated in the passage, but something that is likely given what we know about the author's argument.

In the first paragraph, the author introduces Summers' view: she thinks that Nightingale's "place in the national pantheon... is largely due to the propagandistic efforts of contemporary newspaper reporters." To support this view, Summers discusses Nightingale's role in the Crimean War.

Then, the author discusses another view on Nightingale, which investigates the nurse's role after the Crimean War. The author agrees with this view, saying that Nightingale's post-war efforts "have earned her an eminent place among the ranks of social pioneers."

So, even though the author never directly states that Summers ignored Nightingale's post-war contributions, the author would likely agree that Summers only considered part of the picture.

(C) is the correct answer to question 5.

I hope that helps!
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This is the author's assessment:

I believe that the evidence of her letters supports continued respect for Nightingale's brilliance and creativity. When counseling a village schoolmaster to encourage children to use their faculties of observation she sounds like a modern educator. Her insistence on classifying the problems of the needy in order to devise appropriate treatments is similar to the approach of modern social workers. In sum, although Nightingale may not have achieved all other goals during the Crimean War, her breadth of vision and ability to realize ambitious projects have earned her an eminent place among the ranks of social pioneers.

6. Which of the following is an assumption underlying the author's assessment of Nightingale's creativity?

(A) Educational philosophy in Nightingale's day did not normally emphasize developing children's ability to observe.

Correct. The author says that N was brilliant and creative. She illustrates that with some examples. The first one - she encourages kids to use observation (so N sounds like a modern educator). The author's assumption is that observation was not normally used by kids in N's time. Educators these days encourage kids to do that. So N was ahead of her times in her thinking.


(B) Nightingale was the first to notice the poor living conditions in British military barracks in peacetime.

Not correct. She may not have been the "first to notice". She may not even have been the first to do something about it. This is not the author's assumption.

(C) No educator before Nightingale had thought to enlist the help of village schoolmasters in introducing new teaching techniques.

Again, the moment we read "had thought", we should ignore the option and move on. Do we know the thoughts of all educators before N? Even if the passage said that she was the first to enlist the help, we still cannot say that no one had thought of it before. They may not have been able to do it but may have thought of it.

(D) Until Nightingale began her work, there was no concept of organized help for the needy in nineteenth-century Britain.

The passage doesn't say that this concept did not exist before her. May they organised help in other way. We just know that she insisted on "classifying the problems of the needy in order to devise appropriate treatments"

(E) The British army's medical services had no cost-accounting system until Nightingale devised one in the 1860's.

Not correct. All we know is that she came up with an accounting system in 1860s which continued for decades later. There could have been another accounting system before her.

Answer (A)
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Great questions! I'll run through them one-by-one:

1. On the proposed rewrite of option (A): you're correct that the main issue with (A) is the bit about the Crimean War -- the author never really disagrees with Summers on that point, and even implies that Summers is right. So, the author likely wouldn't think that Summers "misunderstood" that issue.

If you remove that piece of the answer choice, then yes, you could argue that (A) would be correct. However, it's not the best practice to experiment with alternate answer choices -- instead, just evaluate the ones that are given to you, and eliminate based on their exact wording.

2. That's an interesting point about "misunderstand" vs. "not understand," -- there is a subtle difference in meaning, as you've suggested. To "misunderstand" something means that you think you understand that thing, but you're mistaken. To "not understand" something could potentially mean the same thing, but could also mean that you ARE fully aware that you don't "get it".

This distinction really doesn't have an impact on (A) -- either way, the author doesn't think that Summers is necessarily wrong about Nightingale's role in the Crimean War. So, (A) would still be off even if "misunderstand" was softened to "did not understand."

3. Regarding (C): you're barking up the right tree by looking at the exact language of the question. Question 5 asks us to find the answer choice with which the author "would[...] most likely agree." In other words, we're not looking for something that is explicitly stated in the passage, but something that is likely given what we know about the author's argument.

In the first paragraph, the author introduces Summers' view: she thinks that Nightingale's "place in the national pantheon... is largely due to the propagandistic efforts of contemporary newspaper reporters." To support this view, Summers discusses Nightingale's role in the Crimean War.

Then, the author discusses another view on Nightingale, which investigates the nurse's role after the Crimean War. The author agrees with this view, saying that Nightingale's post-war efforts "have earned her an eminent place among the ranks of social pioneers."

So, even though the author never directly states that Summers ignored Nightingale's post-war contributions, the author would likely agree that Summers only considered part of the picture.

(C) is the correct answer to question 5.

I hope that helps!

Thank you GMATNinja so much for your time and response! Your reply is helpful as always. :)

Sometimes I am too obsessed about a single word in the option and thus become inefficient, and sometimes I let my doubts go but find out later I make an incorrect choice as I ignore the suspicious use of some words. I hope I can strike a balance one day.....
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Why isn't option A correct for the 5th Question? Is the statement not something that is implied?
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Why isn't option A correct for the 5th Question? Is the statement not something that is implied?
Here's choice (A).

(A) Summers misunderstood both the importance of Nightingale's achievements during the Crimean War and her subsequent influence on British policy.

Notice that the author never says or implies that "Summers misunderstood ... the importance of Nightingale's achievements during the Crimean War." In fact, in the last paragraph of the passage, the author says the following:

"In sum, although Nightingale may not have achieved all other goals during the Crimean War ...."

So, actually, the author seems to concede that Summers may have been at least somewhat correct about the importance of Nightingale's achievements during the Crimean War.
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Thank you GMATNinja so much for your time and response! Your reply is helpful as always. :)

Sometimes I am too obsessed about a single word in the option and thus become inefficient, and sometimes I let my doubts go but find out later I make an incorrect choice as I ignore the suspicious use of some words. I hope I can strike a balance one day.....
Glad we could help!

And yeah, it's obviously important to pay close attention to the author's word choice. But if you find yourself spinning your wheels and overanalyzing something, it's probably time to go with whatever you've got and move on. No question is worth THAT much time. :)
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Hi AndrewN

I only got question 6 wrong in this passage. I have a very specific doubt. The passage in its last paragraph says "I believe that the evidence of her letters supports continued respect for Nightingale's brilliance and creativity". Then the passage cites a piece of example/evidence of how she encouraged "children to use their faculties ".

Is the author's conclusion of Nightingale's creativity extracted from the all the relevant achievements that are already mentioned in the passage (such as her establishing Royal commission, founding training centers etc.) OR from the fact that she encouraged the children to use their faculties? Doesn't the latter portrays her more of a "modern educator" than a "creative thinker"? With that in mind I rejected A and chose D as option D is gives more of a big picture idea. Something as abstract as creativity should be symbolic of a series of impossible projects driven to success. Option A seems to have touched upon only one.

What did I miss?
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