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Analysts believe that whereas bad decisions by elected leaders can certainly hurt the economy, no administration can really be said to control or manage all of the complex and interrelated forces that determine the nation's economic strength.
(A) no administration can really be said to control (B) no administration can be said that it really controls (C) that no administration can really be said to control (D) that no administration can really be said that it controls (E) that it cannot be said that any administration really controls
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The gist of the topic is the contrast that is brought out by the word ‘whereas”. It means that while the first part is negative, the admin cannot do much about it; for this the second sentence has to be an IC. By introducing the word, ‘that”, the contrast is lost and the clasue becomes anther subordinate clause
Between A an B, B suffers bad verbal parallelism in saying ‘controls or manage’. A eventually
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Analysts believe that whereas bad decisions by elected leaders can certainly hurt the economy, no administration can really be said to control or manage all of the complex and interrelated forces that determine the nation's economic strength.
Issues: Conjunction | Meaning
Analysis: 1. "whereas" in non-underlined portion is the subordinate clause and what should follow comma is an independent clause (contrasted by the sub-ordinate clause).
A. No administration can really be said to control - Correct
B. No administration can be said that it really controls - "said that" changes the meaning of the sentence - "it" redundant - "controls" not parallel with non-underlined "manage" (based on non-underlined word, government here is treated as plural)
C. That no administration can really be said to control - Usage of "that"
D. That no administration can really be said that it controls - Usage of "that"
E. That it cannot be said that any administration really controls - Usage of "that"
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16 Oct 2015, 23:45
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The gist of the topic is the contrast that is brought out by the word ‘whereas”. It means that while the first part is negative, the admin cannot do much about it; for this the second sentence has to be an IC. By introducing the word, ‘that”, the contrast is lost and the clasue becomes anther subordinate clause
Between A an B, B suffers bad verbal parallelism in saying ‘controls or manage’. A eventually
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daagh wrote:
The gist of the topic is the contrast that is brought out by the word ‘whereas”. It means that while the first part is negative, the admin cannot do much about it; for this the second sentence has to be an IC. By introducing the word, ‘that”, the contrast is lost and the clasue becomes anther subordinate clause
Between A an B, B suffers bad verbal parallelism in saying ‘controls or manage’. A eventually
Great explanation. I had another question regarding (B). Besides the issue you pointed out, can "no administration can be said that" also be an issue. Though I can not articulate the error, it seems off.
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Analysts believe that whereas bad decisions by elected leaders can certainly hurt the economy, no administration can really be said to control or manage all of the complex and interrelated forces that determine the nation's economic strength.
A. No administration can really be said to control (Correct) B. No administration can be said that it really controls(Controls is not parallel with manage) C. That no administration can really be said to control (Second part of sentence cannot start with That) D. That no administration can really be said that it controls (Same as C) E. That it cannot be said that any administration really controls (Same as C) Kudos please if you like my explanation!
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24 May 2017, 19:58
eysh wrote:
I thought that it is not correct to write to verb or verb - to control or manage and the right way is to verb or to verb - to control or to manage
Am I wrong?
Hi,
In my opinion, it is not necessarily the case. For example: Jon attends Math class to meet new friends and (to) improve his academic skills. The word "to" before "improve" is just omitted. We can understand that "improve his academic skills" and "meet new friends" are 2 purposes of Jon attending Math class.
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I have a small doubt here- That whereas bad decision(X), No administration (Y) is the correct form. So if the format would have been this way - whereas that bad decisions (X) that no administration (Y) is this the correct form ?? Need help
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longhaul Certainly no; In a complex sentence like the one here, if the first part is a dependent clause because of the subordinate conjunction 'whereas', the following clause has to be an IC. If you start the second with a 'that', then it also turns into a DC. That will be grammatically wrong.
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Can experts comment on usage of REALLY in (A)/ (B)
Clever question! "Really" is an adverb and hence must refer to a verb. In option A,"really" refers to the verb "be said" (implying, saying cannot be real), whereas in option B "really" refers to the verb "controls" (implying, controlling cannot be real).
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Analysts believe that whereas bad decisions by elected leaders can certainly hurt the economy, no administration can really be said to control or manage all of the complex and interrelated forces that determine the nation's economic strength.
(A) no administration can really be said to control (B) no administration can be said that it really controls (C) that no administration can really be said to control (D) that no administration can really be said that it controls (E) that it cannot be said that any administration really controls
Hi guys.
Looking for a clarification and will appreciate the help.
What is the structure of the original sentence? I thought its IC, IC. Because in the first part of the sentence we have sub Analysts and verb believe. So the first part becomes an IC. Also, the second part of the sentence has the subject "administration" and the verb is "can". Therefore second part of the sentence is also an IC.
So if the construction is IC, IC. Then this construction is wrong and hence A is wrong. But that's not the case as OA is A.
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Rocket7 wrote:
Analysts believe that whereas bad decisions by elected leaders can certainly hurt the economy, no administration can really be said to control or manage all of the complex and interrelated forces that determine the nation's economic strength.
(A) no administration can really be said to control (B) no administration can be said that it really controls (C) that no administration can really be said to control (D) that no administration can really be said that it controls (E) that it cannot be said that any administration really controls
Hi guys.
Looking for a clarification and will appreciate the help.
What is the structure of the original sentence? I thought its IC, IC. Because in the first part of the sentence we have sub Analysts and verb believe. So the first part becomes an IC. Also, the second part of the sentence has the subject "administration" and the verb is "can". Therefore second part of the sentence is also an IC.
So if the construction is IC, IC. Then this construction is wrong and hence A is wrong. But that's not the case as OA is A.
Hi, the second part of the sentence is not an IC, it's in the form whereas X, Y and Both X and Y are clauses.
Analysts believe that whereas X, Y.
'that' I believe is used as a conjunction and requires a clause after it.
This is in response to your PM. Sincere apologies for the late revert.
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Your doubt: Analysts believe that whereas bad decisions by elected leaders can certainly hurt the economy, no administration can really be said to control or manage all of the complex and interrelated forces that determine the nation's economic strength.
(A) no administration can really be said to control (B) no administration can be said that it really controls (C) that no administration can really be said to control (D) that no administration can really be said that it controls (E) that it cannot be said that any administration really controls
and one reply to this question was - The gist of the topic is the contrast that is brought out by the word ‘whereas”. It means that while the first part is negative, the admin cannot do much about it; for this the second sentence has to be an IC. By introducing the word, ‘that”, the contrast is lost and the clause becomes anther subordinate clause
This made me really confused as the Use of That and But (in the church question) is similar to the one in above question.
Your reply would be very helpful since it will help me clear out one of the topics.
My response: Let me present the structure of the original sentence here.
Cl. 1: Analysts believe = IC Cl. 2: that whereas bad decisions by elected leaders can certainly hurt... = DC. Please note that the entire structure after that is a long DC. This DC is connected to the preceding IC by the connector that.
Now there are a couple of clauses inside this DC.
Cl. 3: whereas bad decisions by elected leaders can certainly hurt the economy, = DC because the clause starts with whereas. Cl. 4: no administration can really be said to control or manage all of the complex and interrelated forces that determine the nation's economic strength. = IC. This IC is connected to the preceding DC ?(Cl.3) by a comma and keeps the structure grammatical.
Now, let's take a look at the correct version of the e-GMAT sentence you have doubt about:
That the church coined the date ‘February 14’ as Valentine’s day with an ulterior motive to “Christianize” the pagan celebration of Lupercalia is claimed by a few experts, but the more prevalent belief is it is celebrated on this date to honor the anniversary of Valentine’s death or burial.
Cl 1: That the church coined the date ‘February 14’ as Valentine’s day with an ulterior motive to “Christianize” the pagan celebration of Lupercalia is claimed by a few experts = IC. Now, in this IC, the subject is DC. The verb for this DC subject is is claimed.
Cl 2: but the more prevalent belief is = IC because it is preceded by comma + but.
Cl. 3: it is celebrated on this date to honor the anniversary of Valentine’s death or burial. = DC as the connector that is understood at the beginning of this clause.
Now, in the official question, the presence of the connector that in choices C, D, & E makes the clause following a DC. This makes the choices ungrammatical because the DC starting with whereas must be followed by an IC for the correct structure.
Hope this helps. Thanks. Shraddha
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This is in response to your PM. Sincere apologies for the late revert.
Quote:
Your doubt: Analysts believe that whereas bad decisions by elected leaders can certainly hurt the economy, no administration can really be said to control or manage all of the complex and interrelated forces that determine the nation's economic strength.
(A) no administration can really be said to control (B) no administration can be said that it really controls (C) that no administration can really be said to control (D) that no administration can really be said that it controls (E) that it cannot be said that any administration really controls
and one reply to this question was - The gist of the topic is the contrast that is brought out by the word ‘whereas”. It means that while the first part is negative, the admin cannot do much about it; for this the second sentence has to be an IC. By introducing the word, ‘that”, the contrast is lost and the clause becomes anther subordinate clause
This made me really confused as the Use of That and But (in the church question) is similar to the one in above question.
Your reply would be very helpful since it will help me clear out one of the topics.
My response: Let me present the structure of the original sentence here.
Cl. 1: Analysts believe = IC Cl. 2: that whereas bad decisions by elected leaders can certainly hurt... = DC. Please note that the entire structure after that is a long DC. This DC is connected to the preceding IC by the connector that.
Now there are a couple of clauses inside this DC.
Cl. 3: whereas bad decisions by elected leaders can certainly hurt the economy, = DC because the clause starts with whereas. Cl. 4: no administration can really be said to control or manage all of the complex and interrelated forces that determine the nation's economic strength. = IC. This IC is connected to the preceding DC ?(Cl.3) by a comma and keeps the structure grammatical.
Now, let's take a look at the correct version of the e-GMAT sentence you have doubt about:
That the church coined the date ‘February 14’ as Valentine’s day with an ulterior motive to “Christianize” the pagan celebration of Lupercalia is claimed by a few experts, but the more prevalent belief is it is celebrated on this date to honor the anniversary of Valentine’s death or burial.
Cl 1: That the church coined the date ‘February 14’ as Valentine’s day with an ulterior motive to “Christianize” the pagan celebration of Lupercalia is claimed by a few experts = IC. Now, in this IC, the subject is DC. The verb for this DC subject is is claimed.
Cl 2: but the more prevalent belief is = IC because it is preceded by comma + but.
Cl. 3: it is celebrated on this date to honor the anniversary of Valentine’s death or burial. = DC as the connector that is understood at the beginning of this clause.
Now, in the official question, the presence of the connector that in choices C, D, & E makes the clause following a DC. This makes the choices ungrammatical because the DC starting with whereas must be followed by an IC for the correct structure.
Hope this helps. Thanks. Shraddha
Hello Shraddha (@egmat) - Thanks for the detailed explanation for the above 2 sentences.
Usage of "That" or for that matter DC as a subject is not that familiar to me, hence I got confused.
This sentence serves as a good example of the complex sentences that can be formed and great learning.
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