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A is essential to the argument, but so is B. How did you eliminate B? If the capacities of astronauts are NOT typical of those of ordinary human beings, then how can the argument "about the limits human capacities to live in spacecraft " still stand? Thanks in advance!
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Building a space station, in which astronauts would live for a considerable time, is essential even if the space station project were to contribute no new knowledge about space or Earth that could not otherwise be obtained. For future missions to explore Mars, we will need the medical knowledge that the space station project will give us about the limits human capacities to live in spacecraft for an extended time.

The argument makes the assumption that

(A) the exploration of Mars will be carried out by people travelling in spacecraft and not by robots alone.
(B) the capacities of astronauts are typical of those of ordinary human beings
(C) no unforeseen medical problems will arise on the first mission to explore mars
(D) a mission to Mars will be the first of many missions that will explore the solar system
(E) living in spaceship for an extended time presents insurmountable medical problems

OA after some discussion

Between A and B. In my opinion both have potential to be viable assumptions, but were A to be true the entire argument would fall. Let's look at B If astronauts have greater capabilities than those of humans then it is very likely that the medical knowlodge the machines installed at the space station will gather is be tailored and aimed at astronauts' capabilites; If machines were taught to gather and test data relative to ordinary human beings- knowing that astronauts are trained to endure harsher environments- that would result in both a waste of time and a splurge of money.

On the other hand, reversing A future space missions would be carried by robots; bankrolling the space station would be a splurge, since robots are not very likely going to be affected in the same way as humans.

the answer is A. Not easy though.

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negate A- if only robots were to travel in spacecraft alone, then we will NOT need the medical knowledge that the space station project will give us about the limits of human capacities to live in spacecraft for an extended time.
The conclusion fell apart.
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At first, I really had a hard time understanding the logic behind this argument... then I came to the forum, only found that I made a very basic mistake: I didn't dive into finding the premise and the conclusion, falsely reckoning that the last sentence was the conclusion.....

Anyway, after I got the premise-conclusion relationship right, the question appears to be so easy.
Premise: For future missions to explore Mars, we will need the medical knowledge that the space station project will give us about the limits of human capacities to live in spacecraft for an extended time.
Conclusion: Building a space station is essential (, in which astronauts would live for a considerable time.)
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GMATNinja. Can you tell me why C is wrong? I'm not satisfied with the answer.

If there are no unforeseen problems, then isn't the medical knowledge provided from the space station valid?
If there were problems, it feels as though the knowledge wouldn't help.
Please tell me where I'm wrong in my reasoning.
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GMATNinja. Can you tell me why C is wrong? I'm not satisfied with the answer.

If there are no unforeseen problems, then isn't the medical knowledge provided from the space station valid?
If there were problems, it feels as though the knowledge wouldn't help.
Please tell me where I'm wrong in my reasoning.
I'll come at this from a slightly different direction than in my explanation above...

The main conclusion of the passage is that "building a space station, in which astronauts would live for a considerable time, is essential." The primary evidence cited to support this conclusion is that "we will need the medical knowledge that the space station project will give us" for future missions to Mars.

Notice that the author believes it is NECESSARY to build the space station in order to obtain certain medical knowledge -- which is different than saying that building the space station will ABSOLUTELY prevent any medical problems that could arise on the mission to Mars.

Take this example: medical condition X arises when an astronaut spends considerable time in a spacecraft. The ONLY way to find out about this condition, and therefore how to prevent/cure it, is to build a space station and see what happens when an astronaut lives there for a considerable amount of time. So, it is essential to build a space station.

Say also that one of the astronauts accidentally breaks her leg during the mission to Mars (big bummer). Well, now an "unforeseen medical problem" has arisen.

It is STILL necessary to build the space station, because we need the medical information about condition X. However, this does not prevent an astronaut breaking a leg (or having a heart attack, or encountering unforeseen toxic space ooze, etc). So, the argument that the space station is essential does not assume that no unforeseen medical problems will be encountered on the mission to Mars.

In other words, even if the space station DOES give us the medical knowledge we need about the limits of human capacities, unforeseen medical problems might still arise. So (C) is not a necessary assumption.

I hope that helps!
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Again the egmat's falsification test at rescue :please

Premise: The space station will provide us medical knowledge.
Conclusion: That medical knowledge would be essential when we'll go to Mars in future.

Falsification question: In what scenario, the medical knowledge wouldn't be essential when we'll go to Mars in future.
Given that: We're building a space station without much benefits.

Falsification scenarios: I could think of one scenarios in which the knowledge would be useless
- If the conditions on space stations won't imitate with the conditions on Mars.

Assumption:
- The conditions of space stations on Earth is similar to the space ships which will be sent to Mars

Although the above assumption was nowhere present in the options but this gave me a context about what lines I should be thinking on
Going through the question choices:

(A) the exploration of Mars will be carried out by people traveling in spacecraft and not by robots alone - Initially I thought this to be a little out of context but then realise it has something to do with medical knowledge. If robots are going to Mars, we won't even need the medical knowledge and the negation of this condition will completely break the conclusion. I'll keep this for now.
(B) the capacities of astronauts are typical of those of ordinary human beings - I don't know why capacity relates here. Astronauts are normal human beings which are trained to become astronauts. This has nothing to do with medical knowledge
(C) no unforeseen medical problems will arise on the first mission to explore Mars - This, in fact, weakens our conclusion that we don't even need that medical knowledge
(D) a mission to Mars will be the first of many missions that will explore the solar system - Totally out of context
(E) living in spaceship for an extended time presents insurmountable medical problems - This relates to the medical problems and medical knowledge but it doesn't relate this idea with space station or space ships. And if the those medical problems are insurmountable then it won't imitate the behaviour on space station.

Hence, (A) is the best among the above choices.
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Hi GMATNinja

I hope you may be able to see this, this late.

I have a doubt about the terms used in this passage. The passage is talking about building a Space Station. Answer choices present a variety of terms such as Spacecraft, and Spaceship.
You told the video that we need to be literal in CR passages. As a person who has a vivid imagination (LoL), I tend to think Spacecraft, Spaceship and Space Station are different things, to which extend, I don't know.

I seem to eliminate correct answer choices on this logic sometimes. Could you please let me know where my thinking is wrong? (When to consider this subtle differences literally and when NOT to)

Thanks in advance.


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We had some fun with this one in a recent YouTube webinar on strengthen, weaken, and assumption questions. Well, I had fun. I dunno about the rest of you.

Anyway, whenever I see an assumption question, my first thought is that I need to understand the conclusion – EXACTLY in the author’s words, not my words – and then figure out how the author reached that conclusion. So in this case, the conclusion is just the key pieces of that first sentence: “building a space station is essential.”

And how did the author arrive at that conclusion? Basically, it’s just that last sentence: “for future missions to explore Mars, we will need the medical knowledge that the space station project will give us about the limits of human capacities to live in spacecraft for an extended time.”

Fair enough. And we’re looking for a necessary assumption, which means that the correct answer will reinforce the conclusion, perhaps in some small, subtle way. And more importantly, the correct answer is something that we NEED in order to draw the conclusion.

Quote:
(A) the exploration of Mars will be carried out by people travelling in spacecraft and not by robots alone.
A lot of people discard this one right away, since the passage doesn’t say anything about robots. But that’s not a great idea: by definition, a necessary assumption is something that is NOT actually mentioned in the passage. It just has to be something that allows the conclusion to be properly drawn.

And this might be the least exciting answer choice ever, but we really do need to assume (A). After all, why would we need “medical knowledge... about the limits of human capacities to live in spacecraft for an extended time” if we’re just going to send robots up there? Of course we have to assume that people will be making the trip, not just robots.

So let’s keep (A).

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(B) the capacities of astronauts are typical of those of ordinary human beings.
There’s no reason why we need to assume this in order to draw the conclusion properly. An astronaut is, by definition, somebody who explores space – and the entire passage revolves around the need for medical knowledge for “future missions to explore Mars.”

We certainly don’t need to assume that the astronauts are typical of ordinary human beings: by definition, the space station and Mars missions will both be conducted by astronauts. It doesn’t matter at all if those astronauts resemble ordinary human beings: either way, we’ll need to know about the limits of the space explorers’ (i.e., astronauts) capacities – regardless of whether those astronauts are “ordinary” or not.

So (B) can be eliminated.

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(C) no unforeseen medical problems will arise on the first mission to explore Mars.
The key here is one little modifier: “unforeseen.” (C) is saying that “no unforeseen medical problems will arise” on that first Mars mission, and that’s airtight language. It literally means that if there are any medical problems, we already know everything about them.

So if (C) is true, the entire passage falls apart: why would we build a space station to acquire medical knowledge if we don’t really need any more medical knowledge? That makes no sense. We can get rid of (C).

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(D) a mission to Mars will be the first of many missions that will explore the solar system.
That’s nice. Exploring the solar system sounds like fun. (Insert horrible, childish joke about Uranus here.) But the entire passage is built around the idea that we’ll need medical knowledge for future missions to explore Mars. The rest of the solar system is completely irrelevant. (D) is out.

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(E) living in spaceship for an extended time presents insurmountable medical problems.
The key here is another little modifier: “insurmountable.” Literally, that word means “cannot be conquered” or “cannot be overcome.” So then (E) is saying that living in a spaceship for an extended time presents medical problems that can NEVER be overcome. And if that’s true, then why the heck would we build a space station? Whatever those medical problems are – hair loss, hemorrhoids, bunions, acid reflux, crow’s feet – we can’t fix them if (E) is true, and the passage falls apart once again.

So we’re left with (A).
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Hi GMATNinja

I hope you may be able to see this, this late.

I have a doubt about the terms used in this passage. The passage is talking about building a Space Station. Answer choices present a variety of terms such as Spacecraft, and Spaceship.
You told the video that we need to be literal in CR passages. As a person who has a vivid imagination (LoL), I tend to think Spacecraft, Spaceship and Space Station are different things, to which extend, I don't know.

I seem to eliminate correct answer choices on this logic sometimes. Could you please let me know where my thinking is wrong? (When to consider this subtle differences literally and when NOT to)

Thanks in advance.
We should always think about CR passages and answer choices literally. The key is not to fall into mindless word-matching. Just because the passage includes the term “space station” does not mean that the correct answer choice will include the term “space station.” Instead, we should try to see how concepts in the answer choices and passage overlap and are connected. In doing so, we can be sure not to eliminate an answer choice by trying to take shortcuts.

In this instance, there’s actually no reason to eliminate (A) because it contains the word “spacecraft” instead of “space station.” This is because the conclusion of the passage is that we will need the medical knowledge from the space station project for humans to live in spacecraft for an extended period of time. The other thing to keep in mind is that, by definition, a spacecraft is “a vehicle or device designed for travel or operation outside the earth’s atmosphere.” So, a space station would be a type of spacecraft. For that reason, (A) is connected to the passage, even when we consider it literally.

The important point here is two-fold: DO consider each answer choice and the passage literally, but DON’T fall into the trap of mindlessly matching words in the passage and answer choices without considering how concepts may overlap.

I hope that helps!
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GMATNinja How can A be assumption? Isn’t it already stated in the passage that “astronauts would live for a considerable amount of time” (and not robots).

So it’s not unstated. Help here.

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GMATNinja How can A be assumption? Isn’t it already stated in the passage that “astronauts would live for a considerable amount of time” (and not robots).

So it’s not unstated. Help here.

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Let's start by breaking down the passage.

The argument concludes that "Building a space station, in which astronauts would live for a considerable time, is essential..." But why is it essential? Well, because for future missions to explore Mars, "we will need the medical knowledge that the space station project will give us about the limits of human capacities to live in spacecraft for an extended time."

As you say, an assumption should be something not explicitly stated in the passage. It should also be necessary for the argument to hold. Let's take a look at (A) to see if it fits the bill:

Quote:
The argument makes the assumption that

(A) the exploration of Mars will be carried out by people traveling in spacecraft and not by robots alone
So how does this relate to the passage?

Notice the argument never explicitly tells us that the exploration of Mars will be carried out by people. It does tell us "astronauts would live for a considerable amount of time" in the space station, but the space station itself won't be used to explore Mars. Rather the space station will give us "medical knowledge" about "the limits of human capacities to live in spacecraft for an extended time."

So (A) is not explicitly stated in the passage. But is it necessary?

Well, if we're just going to send robots to Mars, we wouldn't actually need any "medical knowledge" about "human capacities to live in spacecraft." In other words, to justify the the conclusion that the space station is essential, we have to assume that "the exploration of Mars will be carried out by people traveling in spacecraft and not by robots alone."

Since (A) is not explicitly stated, and it's necessary for the argument to hold, it's the correct answer.

I hope that helps!
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A is essential to the argument, but so is B. How did you eliminate B? If the capacities of astronauts are NOT typical of those of ordinary human beings, then how can the argument "about the limits human capacities to live in spacecraft " still stand? Thanks in advance!

The passage concludes that building a space stations is essential. Why? Because "future missions to explore Mars" will require medical knowledge about the "limits of human capacities to live in spacecraft for an extended time."

Let's consider (B):
Quote:
The argument makes the assumption that

(B) the capacities of astronauts are typical of those of ordinary human beings
Is this necessary for the argument to hold? Well, according to the author, space stations are essential because they'll give us the medical knowledge that will be required on "future missions to explore Mars." And by definition, a person in a spacecraft on a "mission to explore Mars" is an astronaut.

So the medical knowledge we'll get from astronauts living on a space station just needs to apply to other astronauts, not "ordinary human beings." Conseqeuently, we don't need to assume that the "the capacities of astronauts are typical of those of ordinary human beings." As long as space stations give us medical knowledge that applies to other astronauts, we'll be okay.

Because it's not required by the argument, (B) is incorrect.

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Building a space station, in which astronauts would live for a considerable time, is essential even if the space station project were to contribute no new knowledge about space or Earth that could not otherwise be obtained. For future missions to explore Mars, we will need the medical knowledge that the space station project will give us about the limits of human capacities to live in spacecraft for an extended time.

The argument makes the assumption that


(A) the exploration of Mars will be carried out by people traveling in spacecraft and not by robots alone

(B) the capacities of astronauts are typical of those of ordinary human beings

(C) no unforeseen medical problems will arise on the first mission to explore Mars

(D) a mission to Mars will be the first of many missions that will explore the solar system

(E) living in spaceship for an extended time presents insurmountable medical problems


Source : Superprep Test A - February 1996 LSAT
Statement: Build a space station where astronauts will live for a long time is essential. This project will give us medical knowledge about the limits of human capacities to live in spacecraft for an extended time.

Argument: For future missions to explore Mars, we will need this medical knowledge.

What am I asked to ? => On what assumption is the argument based?

(A) the exploration of Mars will be carried out by people traveling in spacecraft and not by robots alone

Negation test: The exploration of Mars won't be carried out by people traveling in spacecraft but by robots alone
The argument is completely destroyed by the negation of this assumption => having medical knowledge about the limits of human capacities to live in spacecraft for an extended time is not necessary anymore since there won't be humans in the spacecraft.
(A) is a necessary assumption­
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