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16 Mar 2016, 18:20
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RaviChandra
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Hi all,
Round 3 international applicant here. I guess many of you have faced the same issue at some point. Should I send hard copies of my transcripts and diplomas to USC and IERF before even getting the interview invite?? I thought Adcoms would rely on transcripts and diplomas uploaded through the Application Portal for evaluation purpose. Any thoughts on that?
Thanks in advance guys!
Round 3 international applicant here. I guess many of you have faced the same issue at some point. Should I send hard copies of my transcripts and diplomas to USC and IERF before even getting the interview invite?? I thought Adcoms would rely on transcripts and diplomas uploaded through the Application Portal for evaluation purpose. Any thoughts on that?
Thanks in advance guys!
You need to submit them only once you are admitted.
I've just heard back from Adcom. Please see below.
"Yes, you will need to send us your official transcripts from your respective institution in order for you application to be considered. Please refer to the application and document submission instructions posted on our website: https://www.usc.edu/admission/graduate/a ... tion1.html"
It seems weird, don't you think? Thanks for your help!
sfmba512
Joined: 04 Oct 2015
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Concentration: Technology, General Management
Schools: Sloan '18 (D) Haas '18 (D) Darden '18 (D) Duke '18 (M) Anderson '18 (D) McCombs '18 (WL) Foster '18 (A$) Marshall '18 (A$)
GMAT 1: 680 Q42 V40
GMAT 2: 690 Q44 V40
GPA: 3.49
WE:Project Management (Computer Software)
Schools: Sloan '18 (D) Haas '18 (D) Darden '18 (D) Duke '18 (M) Anderson '18 (D) McCombs '18 (WL) Foster '18 (A$) Marshall '18 (A$)
GMAT 2: 690 Q44 V40
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16 Mar 2016, 22:26
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It's odd, but the only thing I really care about in the USN metrics is the Quality Assessment. Otherwise, I think you need to look at the rankings in terms of where the school sits in the location and industry you intend to join after school.
If you look at the US News methodology (https://www.usnews.com/education/best-gr ... ethodology), you see these categories: Quality Assessment (40%), Placement Success (35%), and Student Selectivity (25%).
Placement success has tightly bunched salary and %employed after 3 months of graduation data; I think Marshall is competitive with its peers in that area (particularly in consulting, finance, and tech, if you check out the latest Marshall employment report - the median consulting salary for a Marshall grad is $135k!). If you look at the Forbes rankings, the 5-year out average salary (NOT the gain, the salary numbers ranked) for Marshall is 17th, near peers (in my mind) UCLA, Duke, and UT (https://www.forbes.com/business-schools/ ... verse:true)
Student selectivity - Marshall didn't up its GMAT or GPA stats. Other similarly ranked schools might have. Does that matter? Many of the schools in the top 30 did not change much in their GPA/GMAT averages. If a few schools around Marshall did, does that make Marshall worse?
Quality Assessment: Okay, I care about this, but with a grain of salt. I want to know the Peer Assessment Score and Recruiter Assessment Score and whether that's going up or down. This is a kind-of representation of brand quality.
BUT
We all must realize that if you are NOT recruiting into consulting or finance (so the other half of a bschool class, or less depending on the school), your target industry's assessments, and the assessments of the school's peers, will matter less. If schools only care about churning MBB consultants with the highest salaries, they may rank a school 'lower'. But where does NYU or Yale rank on getting people jobs in LA or SF?
If you're a hot Bay Area or LA startup, or a less sexy large company (think NetApp, eBay, PayPal) - what are your rankings of MBA programs? Where are you recruiting first? Stanford, Haas, Anderson, Marshall. Sure, people from other MBAs work at these companies - but a lot less, and there are a lot less people from those schools in OTHER industries in the area. If you want to go into entertainment or digital media, where does USC rank? Pretty effing high. Is Cornell or WashU or Vanderbilt or Washington or Georgetown or Rice ahead of Marshall in those rankings? No. Are they ahead of Marshall in the ranking of SF or LA consultancies or banks? No. All but a select few of the business schools are regional, so while it's mildly irritating that USC is ranked below these other schools, unless Marshall is actually a legitimately worse educational experience (didn't see any measure of that in the USN rankings) or actually produces crappy graduates (is the Trojan Network the biggest hoax of all time??), then I think we can sleep easy on this one.
And yes, this is me trying to work out in a public forum whether these rankings mean something so I can in fact go to sleep tonight, lol
If you look at the US News methodology (https://www.usnews.com/education/best-gr ... ethodology), you see these categories: Quality Assessment (40%), Placement Success (35%), and Student Selectivity (25%).
Placement success has tightly bunched salary and %employed after 3 months of graduation data; I think Marshall is competitive with its peers in that area (particularly in consulting, finance, and tech, if you check out the latest Marshall employment report - the median consulting salary for a Marshall grad is $135k!). If you look at the Forbes rankings, the 5-year out average salary (NOT the gain, the salary numbers ranked) for Marshall is 17th, near peers (in my mind) UCLA, Duke, and UT (https://www.forbes.com/business-schools/ ... verse:true)
Student selectivity - Marshall didn't up its GMAT or GPA stats. Other similarly ranked schools might have. Does that matter? Many of the schools in the top 30 did not change much in their GPA/GMAT averages. If a few schools around Marshall did, does that make Marshall worse?
Quality Assessment: Okay, I care about this, but with a grain of salt. I want to know the Peer Assessment Score and Recruiter Assessment Score and whether that's going up or down. This is a kind-of representation of brand quality.
BUT
We all must realize that if you are NOT recruiting into consulting or finance (so the other half of a bschool class, or less depending on the school), your target industry's assessments, and the assessments of the school's peers, will matter less. If schools only care about churning MBB consultants with the highest salaries, they may rank a school 'lower'. But where does NYU or Yale rank on getting people jobs in LA or SF?
If you're a hot Bay Area or LA startup, or a less sexy large company (think NetApp, eBay, PayPal) - what are your rankings of MBA programs? Where are you recruiting first? Stanford, Haas, Anderson, Marshall. Sure, people from other MBAs work at these companies - but a lot less, and there are a lot less people from those schools in OTHER industries in the area. If you want to go into entertainment or digital media, where does USC rank? Pretty effing high. Is Cornell or WashU or Vanderbilt or Washington or Georgetown or Rice ahead of Marshall in those rankings? No. Are they ahead of Marshall in the ranking of SF or LA consultancies or banks? No. All but a select few of the business schools are regional, so while it's mildly irritating that USC is ranked below these other schools, unless Marshall is actually a legitimately worse educational experience (didn't see any measure of that in the USN rankings) or actually produces crappy graduates (is the Trojan Network the biggest hoax of all time??), then I think we can sleep easy on this one.
And yes, this is me trying to work out in a public forum whether these rankings mean something so I can in fact go to sleep tonight, lol
jbmnyc
Disappointing to see Marshall drop in rankings this year. Was 25 in US News in 2015, dropped to 31 in 2016 ranking list published today.
I know there are 20 top 10 schools and to take all rankings with a grain of salt, etc... But brand certainly does matter. Thoughts on such a huge drop?
I know there are 20 top 10 schools and to take all rankings with a grain of salt, etc... But brand certainly does matter. Thoughts on such a huge drop?
16 Mar 2016, 23:09
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Look at the recruiter rating of the school - Marshall still makes top 20.. I feel it's the most important metrics of the ranking.. GMAT/GRE (keep in mind Marshall is relatively larger program compared to similarly ranked other programs) or career services data are important but there are several sub factors for these metrics which can impact the ranking.
Plus look at the schools ranked above Marshall, some of them surely aren't better than Marshall..
In my opinion Marshall is well poised to break in top 20. Why? I believe Marshall has improved focus on career services, the area has been Achilles heel for Marshall. May be its something to do with new director of career services. They have already started working with incoming students on career workshops.. How many schools have started this process so early? This will reflect positively in ranking in a year.
Overall ranking is not really that useful, we need to look at fit with career goals and school's reach and reputation in desired field of work and region. Ranking number in isolation should not be the main criteria for selecting schools..
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Plus look at the schools ranked above Marshall, some of them surely aren't better than Marshall..
In my opinion Marshall is well poised to break in top 20. Why? I believe Marshall has improved focus on career services, the area has been Achilles heel for Marshall. May be its something to do with new director of career services. They have already started working with incoming students on career workshops.. How many schools have started this process so early? This will reflect positively in ranking in a year.
Overall ranking is not really that useful, we need to look at fit with career goals and school's reach and reputation in desired field of work and region. Ranking number in isolation should not be the main criteria for selecting schools..
jbmnyc
Disappointing to see Marshall drop in rankings this year. Was 25 in US News in 2015, dropped to 31 in 2016 ranking list published today.
I know there are 20 top 10 schools and to take all rankings with a grain of salt, etc... But brand certainly does matter. Thoughts on such a huge drop?
I know there are 20 top 10 schools and to take all rankings with a grain of salt, etc... But brand certainly does matter. Thoughts on such a huge drop?
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