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I did not understood 50% of sentence but reached till OA using POE, can any one help em to understand meaning of sentence and is there any method to reach OA other than POE if one can not crack what author is trying to state.

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I did not understood 50% of sentence but reached till OA using POE, can any one help em to understand meaning of sentence and is there any method to reach OA other than POE if one can not crack what author is trying to state.

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This sentence tells us that:

1. In 1713, AP began his translation of another work, the Iliad.
2. This translation took AP 7 years to complete.
3. SJ, who was a literary critic and a contemporary of (living at the same time as) AP, called AP's translation of the Iliad "the greatest translation in any language".

How did you get to the correct option?
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This sentence tells us that:

1. In 1713, AP began his translation of another work, the Iliad.
2. This translation took AP 7 years to complete.
3. SJ, who was a literary critic and a contemporary of (living at the same time as) AP, called AP's translation of the Iliad "the greatest translation in any language".

How did you get to the correct option?


First I eliminated C, D, and E for marked reason then was confused bett A and B and highlighted part in A doesn't sound right to me and B looked better, hence selected B.

A. his translation of the Illiad, a work that, taking him seven years until completion, and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced

B. his translation of the Illiad, a work that took him seven years to complete and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced

C. his translation of the Illiad, a work that had taken seven years to complete and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced it is

D. translating the Illiad, a work that took seven years until completion and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced it as

E. translating the Illiad, a work that had taken seven years to complete and literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced it
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First I eliminated C, D, and E for marked reason then was confused bett A and B and highlighted part in A doesn't sound right to me and B looked better, hence selected B.
It's good that you were able to take three of the four incorrect options out. From there, it's just one more (small) step to remove option A:

... a work
that, taking him seven years until completion,
and
that literary critic Samuel Johnson pronounced...

There are two thats joined by an and, but after the first that, we have... nothing, as taking is not a verb. For example, these phrases are possible:
something that took a lot of time
something that was taking a lot of time
something that has been taking a lot of time


However, this one is not possible:
something that taking a lot of time
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Can someone help me understand why we can automatically eliminate C and E because of the past perfect verb tense?

I understand that the past perfect verb tense is used for the 1st of 2 events that occur in the past, where the 2nd event is to be in simple past. After reading the GMATNinja explanation, I see how "7 years" cannot be before the "began translation", but when I tried to answer this I took the 2nd verb in the past perfect sequence as "pronounced". In the case of looking at these 2 verbs, you can say that the 7 years had taken place prior to the "pronounced".

When analyzing past perfect verb tenses, does anyone have a rule or some insight on how to identify the 2nd verb that is supposed to be in simple past tense in the presence of a past perfect verb (in the event that there is more than 1 simple past verb in the same sentence as a past perfect verb)?

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Hi firsttimenoob.
When it comes to deciding which is the first verb (past perfect) and which is the later verb (in a case where there are more than one verbs in a sentence), consider the following:
a) the past perfect case does NOT APPLY When the two verbs are joined by ‘and’. And being a parallelism marker, excludes the possibility of a past perfect and simple past construction (even though logically the two verbs joined by and could be in two different timelines).

B) in the given question, if we assume that the work had FIRST Taken seven years to complete and LATER it was pronounced, in that case if the first part states the work that had taken, after ‘and’, the next part should say ‘and that had been announced’, because parallelism with ‘and’ requires the two verbs to be in the same past tense, after which there would have to be a third verb in the simple past tense.
For example: Mary had met her Professor and (had) taken his approval before she started working on her doctoral thesis.
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Hi firsttimenoob.
When it comes to deciding which is the first verb (past perfect) and which is the later verb (in a case where there are more than one verbs in a sentence), consider the following:
a) the past perfect case does NOT APPLY When the two verbs are joined by ‘and’. And being a parallelism marker, excludes the possibility of a past perfect and simple past construction (even though logically the two verbs joined by and could be in two different timelines).

B) in the given question, if we assume that the work had FIRST Taken seven years to complete and LATER it was pronounced, in that case if the first part states the work that had taken, after ‘and’, the next part should say ‘and that had been announced’, because parallelism with ‘and’ requires the two verbs to be in the same past tense, after which there would have to be a third verb in the simple past tense.
For example: Mary had met her Professor and (had) taken his approval before she started working on her doctoral thesis.
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Thanks for your response sushigmat

So if we have "and" or another parallelism marker, the only way past perfect will be correct is if both the verbs before and after the parallelism marker are in past perfect (so both entities are rightfully parallel) and there's a third verb in simple past tense? Or is it that past perfect cannot be used in as an entity that has a parallel verb.
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Hi firsttimenoob.

Yes, past perfect can be used with parallelism markers only if both verbs take the past perfect and there is a third verb that would act as the second action. Otherwise it cannot be used.

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In 1713, Alexander Pope began his translation of the Illiad, a work that, taking him seven years until completion, and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced the greatest translation in any language.

A. his translation of the Illiad, a work that, taking him seven years until completion, and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced “, taking him seven years until completion, and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced” is a modifier telling us more about the work. But there is no verb after that. So the sentence is incomplete.

B. his translation of the Illiad, a work that took him seven years to complete and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced This sentence has the parallel structure, “a work that x and that y.”

C. his translation of the Illiad, a work that had taken seven years to complete and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced it is The “it” in “pronounced it is” is not needed.

D. translating the Illiad, a work that took seven years until completion and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced it as The “it” in “pronounced it as” is not needed.

E. translating the Illiad, a work that had taken seven years to complete and literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced it The “it” in “pronounced it” is not needed.

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In 1713, Alexander Pope began his translation of the Illiad, a work that, taking him seven years until completion, and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced the greatest translation in any language.


A. his translation of the Illiad, a work that, taking him seven years until completion, and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced

B. his translation of the Illiad, a work that took him seven years to complete and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced

C. his translation of the Illiad, a work that had taken seven years to complete and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced it is

D. translating the Illiad, a work that took seven years until completion and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced it as

E. translating the Illiad, a work that had taken seven years to complete and literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced it


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There are few things to notice here:
1. we should not use "HAD " here , because had is used when 2 events happened in past and 1 event is more deeper in the past. We dont have such case in this question option E and C are OUT.
2. "THAT" is a essential modifier and should not preceded by comma(,) so, A is OUT.
3. In the above sentence we have used "THAT" twice and its referring to "WORK" and you would have noticed there is one work "it" at the end of options which is also referring to work , so for this reason also C,D,E are OUT.
B - Correct and option B is taking care of all of the above mentioned errors.
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I still dont understand why many comments above said: "it" is redundant?

I learned this from Ron: whenever you're dealing w/ a super long sentence, try a simpler example and reason it out:
    A cake that I ate was tasty.
    A cake that I ate it was tasty.
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B. his translation of the Illiad, a work that took him seven years to complete and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced [/quote]
Notice the nice parallelism in (B): “a work that took him seven years to complete and that literary critic Samuel Johnson… pronounced….” No problem: we have two nice, parallel phrases that describe the word “work.”


In option B,
Is the word "as" not required after the word pronounced?
Please help out.
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Hi Team

I just had a small doubt

- why is the modifier a work incorrectly referring to - translating the iliad (which is a verb-ing noun + noun)
as compared to
- translation of the iliad (noun + prep + noun)

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I can think of plenty of official GMAT questions that are harder, but this one seems to generate a disproportionate amount of pain. Most of you have probably heard me preach about this sort of thing before, but if you’re able to be really really strict and literal with the meaning of the sentence, this question is much, much easier.

Let’s start by lining (A) and (B) up side-by-side, because that will make it easier to see the problem with one of them.

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A. his translation of the Illiad, a work that, taking him seven years until completion, and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced
B. his translation of the Illiad, a work that took him seven years to complete and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced
Notice the nice parallelism in (B): “a work that took him seven years to complete and that literary critic Samuel Johnson… pronounced….” No problem: we have two nice, parallel phrases that describe the word “work.”

In (A), that first modifier makes less sense: “…a work that, taking him seven years until completion…” Huh? Why not just say “a work that took him seven years to complete”? There’s no good reason to stick “taking him seven years…” into a separate little modifying phrase, wedged between more commas. Plus, you could also argue that “seven years to complete” is a more elegant phrase than “seven years until completion.”

Clearly, (B) is better than (A), so let’s hang onto (B), and ditch (A).

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C. his translation of the Illiad, a work that had taken seven years to complete and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced it is

The lowest-hanging fruit here is the use of the past perfect “had taken”, which doesn’t make any sense at all.

In general, a verb in past perfect denotes an action that happens in the “distant past”, before some other past action or “time marker” in the past – in most cases, a second action that is in the simple past tense. We have one of those here: “in 1713, Alexander Pope began translating…” But if we think about the verb tenses literally, the sentence is saying that the work “had taken seven years to complete” BEFORE Pope began translating it. And that’s nonsense. (More on past perfect and other verb tenses in this webinar.)

The other problem is with the pronoun “it.” The referent is clear enough: “it” must refer to “a work.” But there’s no reason to include “it” in the middle of a phrase that modifies the word “work” to begin with: “a work that… literary critic Samuel Johnson… pronounced it as the greatest translation…”

Huh? There’s no reason for the “it” there. If you aren’t totally convinced, try completely stripping out the modifiers for a moment, and replace “it” with “the work”: “… a work that Samuel Johnson pronounced the work as the greatest translation…” Fail.

For those two reasons, we can get rid of (C).

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D. translating the Illiad, a work that took seven years until completion and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced it as
There are two serious problems with (D). The first one is the same as in (C): the use of the word “it” makes no sense at all. See the explanation for (C) above for more on that issue.

The second problem is a little bit more subtle. The beginning of the underlined portion now uses the phrase “translating the Illiad”, instead of “his translation of the Illiad.” Neither of those things are inherently wrong by themselves, but the phrase is followed by a description: “a work that took seven years…” The sentence is trying to say that Alexander Pope took seven years to write the translation, but (D) is literally suggesting that the Illiad itself is “a work” that took Pope seven years to complete. And that’s nonsense: the Illiad itself wasn’t “a work” completed by Pope; the Illiad was written by Homer, and the translation is Pope’s actual “work.”

Finally, the phrase “a work that took seven years until completion” would be much nicer if it said “a work that took seven years to complete”, but the version in (D) isn’t WRONG, exactly. But the other two issues are a pretty big deal. (D) is out.

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E. translating the Illiad, a work that had taken seven years to complete and literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced it
(E) basically just combines all of the worst errors that we saw in the other answer choices. The use of the past perfect “had taken” is wrong, for the same reasons as in (C) -- see above for a full explanation. The use of “it” is also wrong for exactly the same reasons as (C), and “translating the Illiad” is wrong for exactly the same reasons as (D).

Those three things give us more than enough reasons to eliminate (E), and (B) is the best we can do.
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Hello all,

Within A, is there a technical reason why "taking him seven years until completion" isn't correct? Or is it just inferior/less direct to "took him seven years to complete"? It immediately sounded off, but if possible, i'm try to avoid crossing out answer choices based on "sound."
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Within A, is there a technical reason why "taking him seven years until completion" isn't correct? Or is it just inferior/less direct to "took him seven years to complete"? It immediately sounded off, but if possible, i'm try to avoid crossing out answer choices based on "sound."
Hi samgyupsal,

Yes. Taking is not a (complete) verb (no -ing without a helping verb ever is). Therefore, the relative clause that the that introduces remains incomplete. If we take the modifier in between commas out, we are left with just this:

... his translation of the Iliad, a work that, taking him seven years until completion, and that literary critic Samuel Johnson pronounced the greatest translation in any language.
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A. his translation of the Illiad, a work that, taking him seven years until completion, and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced
(1) incomplete sentence: “his translation…, a work that, […], and THAT literary critic Samuel Johnson…” – “taking him seven years until completion” is a nonessential modifier, so we can remove this. The result is an incomplete sentence.

B. his translation of the Illiad, a work that took him seven years to complete and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced
Best option

C. his translation of the Illiad, a work that had taken seven years to complete and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced it is
(1) verb tense error: “a work that had taken seven years” so the work took seven years FIRST then alexander began his translation? Illogical; (2) redundant/ambiguous it: “…a work THAT…and THAT literary critic SJ…pronounced IT is the greatest…”

D. translating the Illiad, a work that took seven years until completion and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced it as
(1) redundant/ambiguous it: “…a work THAT…and THAT literary critic SJ…pronounced IT is the greatest…”; (2) modifier/meaning error: “…began translating the Illiad, a work that took seven years…” – “the Illiad” isn’t “a work.” It’s the translation that was the work performed and took seven years, NOT the Illiad itself.

E. translating the Illiad, a work that had taken seven years to complete and literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced it
(1) redundant/ambiguous it: “…a work THAT…and THAT literary critic SJ…pronounced IT is the greatest…”; (2) modifier/meaning error: “…began translating the Illiad, a work that took seven years…” – “the Illiad” isn’t “a work.” It’s the translation that was the work performed and took seven years, NOT the Illiad itself.; (3) verb tense error: “a work that had taken seven years” so the work took seven years FIRST then alexander began his translation? Illogical;
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In 1713, Alexander Pope began his translation of the Illiad, a work that, taking him seven years until completion, and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced the greatest translation in any language.

Meaning: The translation of Illiad took AP 7 years to complete. SJ pronounced the work the greatest translation in any language

A. his translation of the Illiad, a work that, taking him seven years until completion, and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced incomplete clause after "that"

B. his translation of the Illiad, a work that took him seven years to complete and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced absolute phrase. Meaning OK

C. his translation of the Illiad, a work that had taken seven years to complete and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced it is no need to use "had taken" as the period "seven years" happened after 1713. Also, it should be "pronounce something something" or "pronounce that"

D. translating the Illiad, a work that took seven years until completion and that literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced it as "work" in this case wrongly refers to "the Illiad"

E. translating the Illiad, a work that had taken seven years to complete and literary critic Samuel Johnson, Pope’s contemporary, pronounced it "work" in this case wrongly refers to "the Illiad".
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