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Machines powered by hydraulics are not driven by the steam produced by boiling water, but rather, high-pressure fluids are transmitted throughout the machine to various motors and hydraulic cylinders.

a) water, but rather
d) water; rather
e) water; but

OA after some discussion.
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09 Nov 2012, 12:44
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Machines powered by hydraulics are not driven by the steam produced by boiling water, but rather, high-pressure fluids are transmitted throughout the machine to various motors and hydraulic cylinders.

a) water, but rather
d) water; rather
e) water; but

OA after some discussion.

as usual the short sentence are the most tricky one

Here we need a sort of contrast but soft. Infact if we introduce a semicolon seems that the two indipendent cluase are two distinct things

I'll go for B
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09 Nov 2012, 23:06
Choices A and B fall out because of the redundancy of ‘but rather’ and ‘but instead’. Among the adverbs -instead and rather - and the conjunction ‘but, IMO, ‘instead’ fits in the groove better because its precise meaning “in the place” fits in smugly over the contrast - markers,-- but and rather.--

C is a winner by a whisker
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Machines powered by hydraulics are not driven by the steam produced by boiling water, but rather, high-pressure fluids are transmitted throughout the machine to various motors and hydraulic cylinders.

a) water, but rather
d) water; rather
e) water; but

OA after some discussion.

In this sentence the logic is "in place of x, y does something". Please note that in such cases where x is replaced by y, "instead" is correct ; but in cases where x is prefferred over y, "rather" is used.
Moreover, no contast given by "but" is needed here. There is just a replacement.
The two clauses separated apart by ";" are purely independent. To separate such clauses, either ", + conjuncting verb" or "; instead" is preferred. But since there is no need of "but" here, hence only correct option is C.
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10 Nov 2012, 00:25
Jp27 wrote:
Machines powered by hydraulics are not driven by the steam produced by boiling water, but rather, high-pressure fluids are transmitted throughout the machine to various motors and hydraulic cylinders.

a) water, but rather
d) water; rather
e) water; but

OA after some discussion.

I go with C too.

1. A preference do something over something is not indicated by the meaning of the sentence, so eliminate rather in that case . also but rather is redundant. So A, D are out.
2. E is clearly wrong coz but ( or any coordinating conjunction should be preceded by a comma and not a semicolon)
3. We now need to decide between B & C, I go for C because both sentences are independent and also but instead is redundant.
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10 Nov 2012, 02:24
I too agree with C

Most people may get foxed by Not X , But Y construction Or Not X , But rather Y............... A is out as it uses cpmma for the two independent clauses.
E remains since there is no //rism followed, hence this too is out....It should be Not by X ; but by Y.........

Hence only remaining correct option is C
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10 Nov 2012, 04:18
Will go with C.

A & B both provide independent clause marker ", but". It's better to use Semicolon.
Between Instead and rather, prefer "instead" as the reason Y replaces X.
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11 Nov 2012, 12:54
Hey - Opion D "; rather" - Are there any grammatical reasons for which we can eliminate this option.
Consider the below sentence.

I will get my car rims finished in Matt grey rather in black
I will get my car rims finished in Matt grey instead of black.

both seem right.

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11 Nov 2012, 15:56
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Hey - Opion D "; rather" - Are there any grammatical reasons for which we can eliminate this option.
Consider the below sentence.

I will get my car rims finished in Matt grey rather in black
I will get my car rims finished in Matt grey instead of black.

both seem right.

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Hi JP 27

I think the later one is correct, you can not use rather fro noun
black and matt grey both are noun, hence you have to use instead.

Moreover, you are choosing black over matt grey ie.. you are replacing.
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Hey - Opion D "; rather" - Are there any grammatical reasons for which we can eliminate this option.
Consider the below sentence.

I will get my car rims finished in Matt grey rather in black
I will get my car rims finished in Matt grey instead of black.

both seem right.

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Hii JP.
IMO both sentences are grammatically correct. Meaning wise, the intent is changing.
In 1) you prefer Matt grey over black
In 2) you just wanna replace Matt grey with black.
Hope that helps.
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18 Nov 2012, 03:16
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Jp27 wrote:
Hey - Opion D "; rather" - Are there any grammatical reasons for which we can eliminate this option.
Consider the below sentence.

I will get my car rims finished in Matt grey rather in black
I will get my car rims finished in Matt grey instead of black.

both seem right.

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Hii JP.
IMO both sentences are grammatically correct. Meaning wise, the intent is changing.
In 1) you prefer Matt grey over black
In 2) you just wanna replace Matt grey with black.
Hope that helps.

you mean to say we use instead for replacement and rather for preferences,,,plz clear it to me thanks
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18 Nov 2012, 06:44
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Jp27 wrote:
Hey - Opion D "; rather" - Are there any grammatical reasons for which we can eliminate this option.
Consider the below sentence.

I will get my car rims finished in Matt grey rather in black
I will get my car rims finished in Matt grey instead of black.

both seem right.

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Hii JP.
IMO both sentences are grammatically correct. Meaning wise, the intent is changing.
In 1) you prefer Matt grey over black
In 2) you just wanna replace Matt grey with black.
Hope that helps.

you mean to say we use instead for replacement and rather for preferences,,,plz clear it to me thanks

Yes.
Use Instead for replacement and rather for preference.
Also note that if there is "instead of", then make sure that "instead of" is followed by a noun. It is so because "of" is a preposition and all prepositions are followed by a noun.
Hope that helps.
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19 Nov 2012, 19:55
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Yes.
Use Instead for replacement and rather for preference.
Also note that if there is "instead of", then make sure that "instead of" is followed by a noun. It is so because "of" is a preposition and all prepositions are followed by a noun.
Hope that helps.

Great !!!
first i choose D.. but i was wrong i guess
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16 Dec 2013, 11:09
Why is the expression "but rather" not redundant in the idiomatic form "not x, but rather y"? Or why is it redundant when it stands alone? I don't get it...

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I too agree with C

Most people may get foxed by Not X , But Y construction Or Not X , But rather Y............... A is out as it uses cpmma for the two independent clauses.
E remains since there is no //rism followed, hence this too is out....It should be Not by X ; but by Y.........

Hence only remaining correct option is C
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