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GMAT Online - What We Know [Master Topic] 15 Apr 2020, 22:56
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I think they have assumed that and dedicated a separate pool of questions which is why the 5/8 limits do not apply. Or am I reading too much into it? :cool:
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I hope they have. :)

My point was that they should assume that the pool will be leaked, and allow test takers to take a break like in the normal GMAT. I guess they're trying to make their questions last as long as possible, but the kinds of people who can get around their tech will not need a break to do so.
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Meanwhile You can see what Business Because thinks the receptions is of the new GMAT Online (business because is owned by GMAC)

https://www.businessbecause.com/news/co ... m-reaction

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GMAT Online - What We Know [Master Topic] 16 Apr 2020, 00:03
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So here's the situation -
1. What I have?
- GMAT online exam!!! Sadly, looks more like a game with ONLY one life
- Scratchpad that i can't use including for GRE
- Non-permanent ink pen which is about to dry, anyway it cannot be used
- Touchsreen laptop, worthless due to technicalities

2. What i can/should do?
- Buy a whiteboard+marker so that GRE is possible(foolishly assuming that i can perform well without ever having given it). The problem is all local stationary stores are closed and online store are selling only essentials.
- Buy a mouse as I don't have one. But it would be ridiculous to draw like a 2 year old and give a exam. Drawing on the online whiteboard in Windows 10 era using a mouse would be a similar to an experience i had when i drew, for the first time ever, something on Windows 95 version paint app more than two decades ago.

One thing i can do is try to give mocks both official and non-official with conditions laid out by GMAT online exam. But giving Q and V in one go looks an impossible task as I use washroom every 30-45 minutes. If GMAC considers giving optional break it can be something like (Q+IR) + Break(1,2 or 5 minutes whatever) + V since holding the bottom pressure, eventually the upper one :) for 1 & 1/2hr is better than for 2 which is unimaginable.

A few schools have waived GMAR/GRE score for application but it hardly makes sense if I have never given those exams. Someone who has given and has score even lesser than that school's average, definitely has advantage. If i apply i'm going to make fool of myself by wasting money and time, not to mention the mental stress that i may have for being rejected.

All in all, I now feel i can't appear for any exam and surely many of us are in similar situation.
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I emailed GMAT support centre to ask whether there is possibility that they can change their policy on using scratch paper during at-home test. I also backed that email with my personal concerns that "at-home GMAT exam" with some of its non-practical implications is really not a solution for the majority of cadidates now in such a hard period. Their response:

"Thank you for contacting GMAT Customer Service.
We appreciate your concern and would like to inform you that the GMAT™ Online exam is an online and remote proctored the interim solution developed to support test takers and schools during the disruption to test center-based delivery due to COVID-19 related closures. While the GMAT™ Online exam is open to all test takers, the online format is intended to help those who are working to meet upcoming b-school deadlines complete their applications.

If test centers in your location are open and you feel safe accessing a test the center facility, you are encouraged to do so.

The GMAT™ Online exam will contain the Quantitative, Verbal and Integrated Reasoning sections (omitting the Analytical Writing Assessment section). To enable comparability, the GMAT Online exam will have the same type and number of items and section times as the exam administered in test centers. It will also use the same scoring algorithm and score scale for the Section Scores and Total Score as the test center-based version."

I guess they won't change anything, and that's sad. But you know what, now I look at it as a paid bonus (as it does not quite count as an attempt) opportunity to get more fresh official questions. For those who got 200 extra bucks and would like to solve one more quality CAT during corona-holidays, this might be an option. I personally spent considerable amount of money last 2 month to get CAT's, which turned out to be not that good (and some just terrible) in Verbal side. At the same time, online whiteboard is not such a big issue for Verbal, as it is for Quant.
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Their customer care is simply inconsistent.

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I emailed GMAT support centre to ask whether there is possibility that they can change their policy on using scratch paper during at-home test. I also backed that email with my personal concerns that "at-home GMAT exam" with some of its non-practical implications is really not a solution for the majority of cadidates now in such a hard period. Their response:

"Thank you for contacting GMAT Customer Service.
We appreciate your concern and would like to inform you that the GMAT™ Online exam is an online and remote proctored the interim solution developed to support test takers and schools during the disruption to test center-based delivery due to COVID-19 related closures. While the GMAT™ Online exam is open to all test takers, the online format is intended to help those who are working to meet upcoming b-school deadlines complete their applications.

If test centers in your location are open and you feel safe accessing a test the center facility, you are encouraged to do so.

The GMAT™ Online exam will contain the Quantitative, Verbal and Integrated Reasoning sections (omitting the Analytical Writing Assessment section). To enable comparability, the GMAT Online exam will have the same type and number of items and section times as the exam administered in test centers. It will also use the same scoring algorithm and score scale for the Section Scores and Total Score as the test center-based version."

I guess they won't change anything, and that's sad. But you know what, now I look at it as a paid bonus (as it does not quite count as an attempt) opportunity to get more fresh official questions. For those who got 200 extra bucks and would like to solve one more quality CAT during corona-holidays, this might be an option. I personally spent considerable amount of money last 2 month to get CAT's, which turned out to be not that good (and some just terrible) in Verbal side. At the same time, online whiteboard is not such a big issue for Verbal, as it is for Quant.
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Agreed that it's a paid bonus and one can utilize this attempt as a practice attempt. But then, If one messes up, due to any reason(more likely to be the online whiteboard), the score stays in their profile for lifetime. Although schools count the highest amongst them all, they do judge. I think it's wise for anyone to take it if he/she is confident about the test and has practiced taking it in the same environment. treating GMAT online as a practice test could be a disaster.
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Very true bro, and the price ($200) doesn’t make sense to me
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So here's the situation -
1. What I have?
- GMAT online exam!!! Sadly, looks more like a game with ONLY one life
- Scratchpad that i can't use including for GRE
- Non-permanent ink pen which is about to dry, anyway it cannot be used
- Touchsreen laptop, worthless due to technicalities

2. What i can/should do?
- Buy a whiteboard+marker so that GRE is possible(foolishly assuming that i can perform well without ever having given it). The problem is all local stationary stores are closed and online store are selling only essentials.
- Buy a mouse as I don't have one. But it would be ridiculous to draw like a 2 year old and give a exam. Drawing on the online whiteboard in Windows 10 era using a mouse would be a similar to an experience i had when i drew, for the first time ever, something on Windows 95 version paint app more than two decades ago.

One thing i can do is try to give mocks both official and non-official with conditions laid out by GMAT online exam. But giving Q and V in one go looks an impossible task as I use washroom every 30-45 minutes. If GMAC considers giving optional break it can be something like (Q+IR) + Break(1,2 or 5 minutes whatever) + V since holding the bottom pressure, eventually the upper one :) for 1 & 1/2hr is better than for 2 which is unimaginable.

A few schools have waived GMAR/GRE score for application but it hardly makes sense if I have never given those exams. Someone who has given and has score even lesser than that school's average, definitely has advantage. If i apply i'm going to make fool of myself by wasting money and time, not to mention the mental stress that i may have for being rejected.

All in all, I now feel i can't appear for any exam and surely many of us are in similar situation.
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GMAT Online - What We Know [Master Topic] 16 Apr 2020, 03:15
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I think we need some wayout through which our doubts can be addressed, have listed few of them-

1. Will this online version of GMAT have the similar value like online version

2. Will colleges take AWA again

3. Howcome somce bschools like LBS, CAMBRIDGE, MIT inviting applications without GMAT , are they not trusting on this online version. Does this mean this version is just an eye wash and a gimmick by GMAC so that students does not opt out of GMAT test frameworks and keep hold of them till Corona is settled

4. Will some students be able to cheat ( especially those who do not have high stakes and are least bothered with repercussions) and make fool of the GMAC . Using some spy cams etc. And what should I do in that scenario? How much will I lose ?

5. Will the level of Quant be similar to offline version-
If yes how would we solve them on whiteboard?
Will it would mean lots of time waste on even easy questions ?
And eventually waste if 200 $

6. Will questions be leaked from GMAT question pool benefiting few of the smart and shrewd people in future?

7. What will Bschools prefer in current Admission year--
a. A student who has taken GMAT online version and scored 730
b. A student already having GMAT offline version score of 700
c. A student who was rejected in last year application with score of 710

8. There is some kind of subjectivity attached with the proctor and he mentioned in a remark - That he doubted integrity of the exam taker etc.

9. Infrastructure responsibility in the center is with GMAC for internet, Hardware etc. Who will take the responsibility for the same at home. Lets say Internet stops in between due xyz reason...Will GMAC be considerate towards it?

TOO MANY IFS AND BUTS IN THE MIND , NOT AT ALL A SUITABLE AND COMFORTING SCENARIO FOR A SERIOUS EXAM TAKER.

Please add more scenarios / doubts that you can think of , Atleast we all should be on same page while making right decision.
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I believe we should try to stay positive and objective while avoiding panic (including myself).
I also believe we could try to get a recap post or split this into the different subtopics we have been discussing, it will be hard to follow the important information soon (if not already).

Regarding the whiteboard I tried to test it but I could not get it anywhere, the system checking test includes the timer and question count buttons but not the whiteboard.
Anyway, some positive points are that figures like squares and circles are already defined so won't be so much of drawing with a mouse, straight lines can be also drawn and text and numbers are included, it may take some time to get used to and performance can be lower but should not be so troublesome.

Then, regarding the system check, seems that Pearson did not set up properly the session id on mba.com so we are all getting the "We're sorry, but something went wrong." message, you can do a proper test from pearson's link for Microsoft exams: https://home.pearsonvue.com/Clients/Mic ... tored.aspx

There you can get a code and the software for a proper system checkup, I had no issues the first time but the second I was unable to launch the test without an ethernet cable because of internet lag, I would recommend all to properly test this in advance. My work laptop would not work neither because of the remote access program from my company that I cannot close permanently, those are better experienced in advance of test day.

Here you have a video of how the setup works for Microsoft's proctored exams: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI9XxzY7ePk

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I think a major issue is being missed. A number of Bschools have put exemptions w.r.t. GMAT but I strongly believe that given a choice between a student who has earlier proven test taking skills via GMAT even with low scores and a student with no track record of Tests, the schools will favour the student with previous test scores.
So it seems schools are waiving off test scores but practically even stellar fresh applications may be kept on list of doubtful candidates since even a admissions consulting agency can come up with an application.

Sad seems fresh candidates like me will have to wait...

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And seriously guys, I think we are all just overreacting.

These are uncertain times, the world (including GMAC & BSchools) have more important things to worry that if we are using a whiteboard, or now we have to do the exam without any material support, it is hard for everyone now, and we want answers to thousands of questions that do not have it and probably won't have it in the near future.

Does not make sense to complain so much, I believe is better to understand the actual limitations and decide with limited information, because there is no more to get anywhere.

We have invested so much time and resources into this and now that the game changes because of external factors we cannot just chicken out of everything and try to get it back on our path, we have to adapt or wait to see it settled.

GMAC definitely has a better view than ours regarding the exam, its conditions and results. As the say says: "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one but they think each others stink". We won't reach an agreement and our opinions are really biased and do not have the same level/value than the ones of experts, so wait to hear them tomorrow, and let's try to be considerate and provide constructive and objective feedback to improve our common goal.

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This whole GMAT online thing is absolutely crap. All these limitations and then they dare to write that this score will be comparable with that of test center's GMAT?
Another really crazy thing is that top universities in Europe did not give any communication about their deadlines (which are currently the same as before Covid-19), leaving me disgusted because it means that we're being forced to take this horrible and not fair version of the test.
I really hope some communication will be provided in the next days.


European programs tend to be more conservative... and perhaps slower sometimes as the result? I am hoping they will come out of the denial stage sometime soon and realize half their class is not coming. LBS is 80% international and there is a good chance people will be late with Visas.... I can't see how they will be handling it except with online classes... it is a tough situation for schools as well as they are balancing their reputation, credibility, and attempts to actually run a University.
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The European universities that I spoke to said you can submit without a GMAT score and they’ll evaluate you based on all other aspects of your application - then you can submit the GMAT after you’ve taken it. Sounds like you’ll get a conditional acceptance based on whatever your GMAT is

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And seriously guys, I think we are all just overreacting.

These are uncertain times, the world (including GMAC & BSchools) have more important things to worry that if we are using a whiteboard, or now we have to do the exam without any material support, it is hard for everyone now, and we want answers to thousands of questions that do not have it and probably won't have it in the near future.

Does not make sense to complain so much, I believe is better to understand the actual limitations and decide with limited information, because there is no more to get anywhere.

We have invested so much time and resources into this and now that the game changes because of external factors we cannot just chicken out of everything and try to get it back on our path, we have to adapt or wait to see it settled.

GMAC definitely has a better view than ours regarding the exam, its conditions and results. As the say says: "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one but they think each others stink". We won't reach an agreement and our opinions are really biased and do not have the same level/value than the ones of experts, so wait to hear them tomorrow, and let's try to be considerate and provide constructive and objective feedback to improve our common goal.

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No, We are not overreacting. Gmac themselves have said that the online gmat is for test takers with upcoming deadlines. Imagine that you have a final deadline which is in just 2 weeks and you get hit with a bombshell that you can only use an inadequate online whiteboard for quant (after getting assurances from GMAC that the test would be identical to the test-center version). How can you expect someone to adapt to such a massive change in such a short amount of time? The online whiteboard is garbage even for Problem solving questions that are sub-600.

I don't know if you have an upcoming deadline but for people like me We have no choice and we can't just "Adapt" or wait for the dust to get settled.
GMAC should have just followed ETS. This entire debacle just shows how out of touch they are
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No, We are not overreacting. Gmac themselves have said that the online gmat is for test takers with upcoming deadlines. Imagine that you have a final deadline which is in just 2 weeks and you get hit with a bombshell that you can only use an inadequate online whiteboard for quant (after getting assurances from GMAC that the test would be identical to the test-centre version). How can you expect someone to adapt to such a massive change in such a short amount of time? The online whiteboard is garbage even for Problem solving questions that are sub-600.

I don't know if you have an upcoming deadline but for people like me We have no choice and we can't just "Adapt" or wait for the dust to get settled.
GMAC should have just followed ETS. This entire debacle just shows how out of touch they are
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Well, that is your opinion, I agree that we disagree, no harm meant.

I can imagine, but I do not need to because I'm in the same situation. Not sure on your target schools but most of what I know have extended the deadlines or adapted their requirements and gave some flexibility on GMAT dates. If you did not plan enough in advance it is on you and on covid, sorry but do not blame others (I have exactly the same situation, if I had done the GMAT before I would not be in this situation neither).

Clearly none knows how the outcomes will be, but the size of the change is relative, if someone is too dependent on using a specific material and approach to solving the GMAT questions may be more impacted that someone that adapts faster or that can shift easily between paths, I do not see that as a complete negative point. We are jut guessing and this is not just right or wrong.

The GRE approach on using an erasable white board is not the best neither, think that solutions must be universal, how can you make them available worldwide in the current situation so that everyone has the same? It is not possible, I do not say that their solution is the best, or the worst but the solution has to be universal, and that is not possible if you have a 10" erasable board and I get a 15"; or if someone else cannot get it, what they do? None knew that they had to get it to do the exam, so I do not think is a good solution neither.

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The European universities that I spoke to said you can submit without a GMAT score and they’ll evaluate you based on all other aspects of your application - then you can submit the GMAT after you’ve taken it. Sounds like you’ll get a conditional acceptance based on whatever your GMAT is

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Quick question: Would the schools not ask for payment that you make to confirm your seat if it is a conditional acceptance? OR Is it related to your submission of GMAT score?
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No, We are not overreacting. Gmac themselves have said that the online gmat is for test takers with upcoming deadlines. Imagine that you have a final deadline which is in just 2 weeks and you get hit with a bombshell that you can only use an inadequate online whiteboard for quant (after getting assurances from GMAC that the test would be identical to the test-centre version). How can you expect someone to adapt to such a massive change in such a short amount of time? The online whiteboard is garbage even for Problem solving questions that are sub-600.

I don't know if you have an upcoming deadline but for people like me We have no choice and we can't just "Adapt" or wait for the dust to get settled.
GMAC should have just followed ETS. This entire debacle just shows how out of touch they are

Well, that is your opinion, I agree that we disagree, no harm meant.

I can imagine, but I do not need to because I'm in the same situation. Not sure on your target schools but most of what I know have extended the deadlines or adapted their requirements and gave some flexibility on GMAT dates. If you did not plan enough in advance it is on you and on covid, sorry but do not blame others (I have exactly the same situation, if I had done the GMAT before I would not be in this situation neither).

Clearly none knows how the outcomes will be, but the size of the change is relative, if someone is too dependent on using a specific material and approach to solving the GMAT questions may be more impacted that someone that adapts faster or that can shift easily between paths, I do not see that as a complete negative point. We are jut guessing and this is not just right or wrong.

The GRE approach on using an erasable white board is not the best neither, think that solutions must be universal, how can you make them available worldwide in the current situation so that everyone has the same? It is not possible, I do not say that their solution is the best, or the worst but the solution has to be universal, and that is not possible if you have a 10" erasable board and I get a 15"; or if someone else cannot get it, what they do? None knew that they had to get it to do the exam, so I do not think is a good solution neither.

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We are not "too dependent on using a specific material" to solve Quant: it is objectively almost impossible to be on pace with those 700+ questions using the online whiteboard provided, especially if compared to using pen and paper (or marker and whiteboard) like in the traditional exam. It is a fact.
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We are not "too dependent on using a specific material" to solve Quant: it is objectively almost impossible to be on pace with those 700+ questions using the online whiteboard provided, especially if compared to using pen and paper (or marker and whiteboard) like in the traditional exam. It is a fact.
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I disagree with your opinion, regardless of you calling it a "fact" without actual prove cannot be. I would advocate rather for pen and paper, you could show it all to the proctor before starting, anyway the possibility of cheating will be similar than with a whiteboard.

What I am doing now is training quant with a notepad as whiteboard (using only text and numbers) and without anything at all, I do not say that probably grades will not drop, but I believe we should test first and provide feedback later, would be good to have the digital whiteboard feature implemented in GMAC practice tests and questions, will ask for it tomorrow.
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any suggestions what mouse should I buy on amazon??
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Wait no interview? How did you find that out??????

You posted the screenshot for the application requirements. I did not see an interview component on it. I made the judgment based on your screenshot. Forgive me if I incorrectly read your screenshot :lol:

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I got the Amazon basics gaming one, the one with the weights (it was discounted).
Any mouse that has a good dpi should work well, if it is a bit more advanced and you can get one that you can change the dpi on the go, giving you more precision when needed.

I would have to try if the forward button works for advancing on the exam browser at it does in a regular browser, that could come handy.

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