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Super useful, thanks. So I guess beside the $200 fee there is nothing to lose even if someones totally messes up.

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That's a very good question. This is one area that I have missed on the webinar and did not quite catch and waited for the recording to be released so that I could listen to it again. It's been released on Monday and I just re-watched that presentation.

There was a question asked by the webinar Moderator: Will there be a notation in the student's records if they took the Online test.
Answer by the GMAC presenter - 2 part answer:
Part 1: Initially, students will get an email with the score. Eventually, they will get them via the mba.com (no timeline for this)
Part 2: If one has tested online and subsequently or previously tested at a test center, this score (GMAT Online score) will not be reflected in those test scores that are sent. These scores, at least for now, will live independently, as a specific GMAT online score.

It seems to me that indeed the GMAT online score will not be sent with other scores (and likely vice versa). My interpretation of "at least for now" is that that's the direction they have and that way it will remain unless GMAC changes the policy.... which is helpful if scores go way down... and while many schools say they only take the highest score and they ignore others, this does make a VERY SAFE way to take this thing and there is even less downside it seems if you bomb it... Thanks for reminding it to look it up!

I am also uploading an audio file so that you can draw your own conclusions.

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I think it was mentioned before that if we don't cancel the online GMAT score it will be on the record if we report future gmat scores to the schools.
This questions was asked two nights ago from one of the Veritas instructors in the webinar. She clearly mentioned that GMAT online and regular GMAT are two separate entities and GMAT online score will NOT be reported to the school along with other scores.
Is this still a debate or is cleared out by GMAC?
bb do you have any comment on this? Thanks.

I'm thinking to take an online GMAT as a practice test and based on what I've read I guess my score will be lower than usual. However, if I know it's not gonna be reported I'd like to give it a shot.
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GMAT Online - What We Know [Master Topic] 23 Apr 2020, 13:56
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Super useful, thanks. So I guess beside the $200 fee there is nothing to lose even if someones totally messes up.
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I think you’re right. Even if they change the policy a year later, it won’t affect most people and it sounds like it will not be impacting scores from physical test centers sent to schools in the upcoming a current application season.

PS. Thanks again for bringing this up. This was brought up on the 49th minute of a webinar and I did not catch all the details (in part because the original question was asking something different!) and really wanted to hear it again but there was a four day gap between webinar and recording so I lost track of it. Thanks!

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Thanks to ZM308 uncovering a pretty significant confirmation about GMAT ONLINE scores not showing up on the REGULAR score reports, I am updating the table. I also assume previous scores would not show up on the GMAT ONLINE score reports (actually as they said there won't be score reports per se for a while so your ONLINE scores won't contain your other scores either).

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Well, it seems the overall picture is more colorful and nicer finally.

I guess that at some point you could merge both scores if you want, no?
If both types of exams are considered for balancing the grades would make sense.

Anyway, I believe that if this goes more or less well, it may have come to stay, from a ROI point of view, is more profitable the Online exam, at the same time is perfectly scalable and adds flexibility to the operations.

We will see.

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Well, here is another huge sloppiness about the online GMAT:

There is this requirement of not logging in from China, Iran, Sudan, and a few other countries due to "LOCAL data privacy issues", so I managed to travel to Armenia (a neighboring country) by land yesterday and logged in from there, and it still says I am ineligible!!

As it turns out, the problem is not the "LOCAL privacy issues" at all, in contrast to what is stated on the website! As long as you identify your citizenship as Iranian(which was my case, and I am sure this happens to Chinese or other restricted countries' people) even if you are living right next door to the GMAC office, you are still ineligible. It's silly how they cannot manage to solve even the simplest issues. I wrote an email and this is the best "Just copy-and-paste" answer I got in my whole life :lol: :lol: they restate completely irrelevant facts!
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Sorry about that.... I wonder if they think you are using a VPN? (Wonder if you could?)

I also know sometimes computers have cached location information.... what error do you get? Have you tried contacting gmat again?

The email seems to suggest you should be able to take it.... :(


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Well, here is another huge sloppiness about the online GMAT:

There is this requirement of not logging in from China, Iran, Sudan, and a few other countries due to "LOCAL data privacy issues", so I managed to travel to Armenia (a neighboring country) by land yesterday and logged in from there, and it still says I am ineligible!!

As it turns out, the problem is not the "LOCAL privacy issues" at all, in contrast to what is stated on the website! As long as you identify your citizenship as Iranian(which was my case, and I am sure this happens to Chinese or other restricted countries' people) even if you are living right next door to the GMAC office, you are still ineligible. It's silly how they cannot manage to solve even the simplest issues. I wrote an email and this is the best "Just copy-and-paste" answer I got in my whole life :lol: :lol: they restate completely irrelevant facts!
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GMAT Online - What We Know [Master Topic] 24 Apr 2020, 01:34
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Sorry about that.... I wonder if they think you are using a VPN? (Wonder if you could?)

I also know sometimes computers have cached location information.... what error do you get? Have you tried contacting gmat again?

The email seems to suggest you should be able to take it.... :(


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Well, here is another huge sloppiness about the online GMAT:

There is this requirement of not logging in from China, Iran, Sudan, and a few other countries due to "LOCAL data privacy issues", so I managed to travel to Armenia (a neighboring country) by land yesterday and logged in from there, and it still says I am ineligible!!

As it turns out, the problem is not the "LOCAL privacy issues" at all, in contrast to what is stated on the website! As long as you identify your citizenship as Iranian(which was my case, and I am sure this happens to Chinese or other restricted countries' people) even if you are living right next door to the GMAC office, you are still ineligible. It's silly how they cannot manage to solve even the simplest issues. I wrote an email and this is the best "Just copy-and-paste" answer I got in my whole life :lol: :lol: they restate completely irrelevant facts!

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I did not use a VPN since I am out of the country so no need for that. (I work in both countries so I had to travel there because of business anyways, not a GMAT thing) I tested my IP location and it was ok. I found out though when I falsely selected my citizenship as an "eligible" country (I tried Armenia, Austria and a couple of others) the system test responded quite well without any errors and I passed it successfully (although no point in that because a "human" proctor will notice my passport does not match my provided information ( I wonder if they notice anything after going through this thread!! :lol: :lol: )). The end result: when I selected Iran, it said I am not eligible. When I selected other countries it was ok. Conclusion: it is not a matter of "Local Privacy", but nationality. if it was local privacy, it should have tested my IP and whether I use a VPN or my location cache etc. and let me continue. Either way, here in Armenia the test center is open so I will go with the classic GMAT! Just wanted to share this info because almost a quarter of people in the world are not allowed to take the online version.
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I don't think VPN is allowed...



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Sorry about that.... I wonder if they think you are using a VPN? (Wonder if you could?)

I also know sometimes computers have cached location information.... what error do you get? Have you tried contacting gmat again?

The email seems to suggest you should be able to take it.... :(


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Sorry about that.... I wonder if they think you are using a VPN? (Wonder if you could?)

I also know sometimes computers have cached location information.... what error do you get? Have you tried contacting gmat again?

The email seems to suggest you should be able to take it.... :(


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Well, here is another huge sloppiness about the online GMAT:

There is this requirement of not logging in from China, Iran, Sudan, and a few other countries due to "LOCAL data privacy issues", so I managed to travel to Armenia (a neighboring country) by land yesterday and logged in from there, and it still says I am ineligible!!

As it turns out, the problem is not the "LOCAL privacy issues" at all, in contrast to what is stated on the website! As long as you identify your citizenship as Iranian(which was my case, and I am sure this happens to Chinese or other restricted countries' people) even if you are living right next door to the GMAC office, you are still ineligible. It's silly how they cannot manage to solve even the simplest issues. I wrote an email and this is the best "Just copy-and-paste" answer I got in my whole life :lol: :lol: they restate completely irrelevant facts!

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"If test takers have a touchscreen laptop, they may not use a stylus, their finger, or other writing apparatus to write on the whiteboard. The online whiteboard cannot be used with a connected writing tablet or pad, nor can you use dual monitors. More info: https://bit.ly/2xKp0q8"

So no use of touchscreen laptops for being touchscreen laptops! They will be just as useful as any laptops/desktops.
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Hi all,

I was just in today's GMAC webinar for EMEA, some new information:

-The scores will be available in 7 business days after the exam day.

-They are working into adding the whiteboard into the official practice exams at mba.com, as for now, they recommend to use the one from whitecanvas (same that they have now posted in the site) in a separate window.

-Proctors are informed of audio disturbances and will communicate to you for them to stop, I believe they have a monitoring system that helps to help the proctors and indicates them when there is a noise, when your face leaves the range or it is obstructed, etc. The comments from the test-takers indicate that any minimal disturbance will make the proctors call you on it.

I'm amazed about the "unlimited" score sending option (actually I think the cost for them is negligible, but this is really cool if you plan to apply to multiple schools (saving a lot of money).

I assume they will be running different webinars in a different region (this one was for EMEA), check your emails just in case.

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Are they even thinking of making any changes?
Like introducing erasable white boards?
Or is this finalised?

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So, what do you think they mean with "7 business days AFTER your exam day?" I did it on Monday 20, will I receive it on 29? I need it by next Monday, will there be an opportunity?
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Again they made clear that it is not and won't be an option, they said that the digital whiteboard is the best option with the current situation.

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So, what do you think they mean with "7 business days AFTER your exam day?" I did it on Monday 20, will I receive it on 29? I need it by next Monday, will there be an opportunity?
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I assume so, usually business days count Monday-Friday. That could make sense with the different ETA of 14 days.

You tell us when you got them please!

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How many people are switching to the GRE now that you've read these horror stories about the whiteboard and testing experience?
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Man, you are soooo anti GMAT and pro GRE haha. I like your commitment lool
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I'm wondering the same thing. But they actually say (last time i checked) "within 7 business days", so I'm hoping we might receive them a bit sooner than expected. When you receive your scores please let us know here :D . I did the exam on the 23rd and this waiting time for the scores is killing me :lol:
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Question for bb: seeing that GMAC has indicated there will be a separate system for GMAT Online scores, does GMAT Club plan to put a program in place to verify these scores, in the same way that one can verify test-center GMAT scores within the last 5 years?

https://gmatclub.com/forum/new-feature- ... 36030.html

It would be a shame for someone to finally achieve their dream score on the GMAT Online, but then not be able to verify the score on their profile.
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Question for bb: seeing that GMAC has indicated there will be a separate system for GMAT Online scores, does GMAT Club plan to put a program in place to verify GMAT Online scores, in the same way that one can verify test-center GMAT scores within the last 5 years?

It would be a shame for someone to finally achieve their dream score on the GMAT Online, but then not be able to verify the score on their profile.
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Thanks for the question. Yes, we are planning on this.... and as long as there is a system we can tap into, we will :cool:
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Hi, I took the GMAT online on April 24th and here my debrief:

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- Aerospace engineer working in consulting
- GMAT score in test center, February 2020: 700 (Q49/V35)
- Aiming for 730
- I usually do not get very nervous during exams but with the GMAT… well… the story is quite different. I think many here can relate :roll:
- While taking the exam, I do not deal well with noises, things moving around, interruptions, etc. I guess that many might think the same, but I really mean that I do not deal well, it really gets me :dazed . So for me, when GMAC announced that they would be doing this online version I became really happy, until I heard of the whiteboard. :x

GMAT online specific preparation:
- I practiced with the whiteboard since they announced that no scratch paper was allowed (1 week and a half)
- I bought the GMAT Official Advanced Questions Test Bank for 29.99$, which includes 300 hard questions (150 verbal and 150 Quant). I bought this package mainly because I think that studying verbal for GMAT sources is KEY in having a good score. Regarding Quant, I think Gmatclub is the best source, the explanations are simple and useful, whereas in the GMAT official Quant section, explanations are messier. Nonetheless, I did almost all of the exercises included in the GMAT Official Advanced Quant questions because my Gmatclub subscription had expired. I would have liked that, given the situation, I had been offered the possibility to extend a couple more weeks for free. Still, I used Gmatclub’s forums to constantly look for better answers than those that the Official Source gives
- I took a Kaplan mock test, which I never had done before, using the online whiteboard and I got a score of 680. (Q49 and V35). In Quant I guessed 3 hard answers and got them correct so this affected my score. But you know what they say, you are never really guessing 100% randomly, you get better at scanning the answer

Day of the exam:
- I had the exam at 11:15 am (I like giving me some time during the morning)
- I never drink coffee, but on test day I took a big cup in order to be able to shift fast from Quant to Verbal and to not get tired during the exam. I think this was key in my performance, so I really recommend having a bit more caffeine than usual but not too much because you do not want to be all jumpy and nervous during the exam
- I made a few Quant questions before the exam to start adapting my mind to the first section
- This might be useless to many of you, but I took my test barefoot. I think it was a pretty cool thing to do. I have been doing exams all my life but never from home, so I took advantage to free myself as much as possible. (First win of the day, well second, not waking up early is always the first one :cool: )
- The link to the Gmat online exam appeared exactly 30 minutes before official test time
- The check in was quite fast, the only issue that I had is that it said that my driver’s license from picture was blurry. Took the picture again and issue solved.
- My proctor appeared quite early (15 minutes before the exam) so I started the exam earlier. I think this was quite nice because I didn’t have to wait looking at the screen and getting each second more and more nervous
- I made the whiteboard adjustments during the tutorial in order to save time (position, taking out the fill in the shapes, brush thickness, etc.)

Quant section:
- When I saw the first question my heart started beating so fast that I thought that it was going to go through my chest.
- It took me a while to get my head in the Quant section, even though I had practiced a bit during that morning
- I rarely use the text function; I like more drawing. I think it is because I associate drawing with the mouse more to the scratchpad than using the keyboard. I have seen that people use more the text function, specially test tutors, I guess that this may be because they are used to writing everyday math to their students
- Regarding geometry, the whiteboard seems nice to have at first, but after drawing the shapes with the cool tools that the GMAC gives you, you have to do some math work, and this is still harder than doing it in the scratchpad. So I really do not see advantages for the scratchpad, maybe the only thing is that you are able to see the question, the answers and the whiteboard at the same time in just one screen, without having to look from computer to scratchpad and vice versa
- Overall, I think that I performed worse than I normally do, not having the scratchpad really made a difference. There were 4 questions that I know that I could have solved using the scratchpad, but I had to partially guess because I knew that they were going to take a lot of time. I encountered many easy questions halfway so even though I think I performed well in the last 5 questions, my guess is that my score is not going to be very good. Maybe a 47, we will see. :(

Mini-break between Quant and Verbal:
- So after the Quant section I was a bit bummed but the fact that I had the last 5 questions correct (at least in my mind are correct if you know what I mean) helped me start the Verbal section with positiveness! Here we go, my Achilles tendon!!

Verbal section:
- People say that they had problems in switching from Quant to Verbal, but for me, not having the break was a good thing. I did not have time to worry about how I did in Quant or to get nervous about Verbal. Having the last questions correct in Quant boosted my confidence and I did not have any problems in reading passages, looking for assumptions, checking grammatical errors, etc.
- I have read in other debriefs that the difficulty was more or less the same, except for Reading Comprehension, that was a bit harder. I think that the difficulty was in line, with the Official Tests. I think that buying GMAT Official Advanced Questions Test Bank (more info on GMAT online specific preparation section) really made a difference here. But there is also the chance that I missed many questions at the beginning and that the algorithm threw me easy questions, this is something that you never know for sure with the GMAT
- For the first time, I was able to finish the Verbal section on time without guessing any question. I think that for me doing the Verbal section at home was better than doing it in the Test center. In Test centers, there is a bit of noise, people moving, etc. whereas at home everything was quiet and calm
- By the way, I did not bother opening the scratchpad during Verbal, I just use my hands to eliminate choices

Integrated reasoning:
- During this break I had a big surprise :shock: . After stretching myself after Verbal (I discovered that I could crack about ten new bones) my Test screen went down and a message popped saying that “Page not found, error…” When I saw this I said “Holly Molly”, now I have to redo the “fudging” exam again. So, I asked for help and Thomas, my proctor, came a couple of minutes later and helped me with this issue. He told me that this happens all the time and that it is easy to fix because the system remembers all your answers. The proctor rebooted my session and I picked my exam right where I had left it. During all this whole process I was kind of freaking out thinking that I might had lost my answers or that I had to retake the exam
- So after all this, this section was not good, here I really found myself really tired and having problem on reading. I could read a sentence 10 times and still do not process it. But you know, IR does not count to your 200-800 score…

Conclusions:
- Link to exam appeared exactly 30 minutes before, and my exam started 15 minutes earlier (hooray for Thomas :please: , my proctor).
- Quant is harder without the scratchpad, no doubt. Even if you practice using the whiteboard and see yourself “comfortable” using it you must know that in exam it is even harder to use
- Verbal at home is like taking the section in the Test center, difficulty was pretty much the same.
- Having no break for me was a good thing, no time for overthinking how I performed in Quant or getting nervous about Verbal
- I did not have glitches using the whiteboard, but my session shut down during the Verbal-IR break and my proctor had to reboot my session. This freaked me out a bit but my proctor was quite helpful. I picked my exam right where I had left it.
- IR: very tired, not good, next please :shh:
- Just take this exam if you really need the score, otherwise you are going to lose (at best, keep) points in Quant. I do not think that anyone is actually going to be better using the whiteboard than the scratchpad.

Happy Gmating! :thumbsup:
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